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One thing I would like to see NathanA--or any current member of Trinity--address is the question I keep raising over and over and over again. Why is it nearly unanimous among the former members that Trinity is a cult? Can anyone name me any other group that is true of that is not really a cult?
[b:26626be87f]Er....I know of about 30 other members that don't feel the way you and these small handful of disgruntled members feel[/b:26626be87f]
As I said from the very beginning of this thread, Wendy's book is not just us in isolation as a couple of disgruntled former members. She interviewed many other former members while she was doing her research, AND WE STILL HAVE THE TAPES FROM THOSE INTERVIEWS. We can document everything we are saying. It is the overwhelming consensus of the former members that Trinity is a highly destructive group. This is not just Wendy and me saying this.
[b:26626be87f]Well of course not...she couldn't very well likely sell a book about a Dallas cult if she had actually tried to reach and interview non-disgruntled members? As for Glenna, I've talked to a few people that were interviewed, had nothing bad to say but their interviews never made it in the observer article. Why? Why did she not put the other interviews in? Why was the focus of her article about the small stuff Ole did as a kid?[/b:26626be87f]
The essence of Nathan's argument has been to say, "Well, I don't believe you." At the end of the day, you cannot convince someone of something if they are unwilling to see it. I thought if we got some more former members participating it might make a difference, but it now seems that no matter what we say in this forum Nathan will find a way to say that it is unconvincing. If his only response to Boanerges was to warn Marion that we are all disgruntled former members, then I just don't know what to say. The only recourse I can see is for him to go to Dallas and live with Trinity and find out for himself what is really true.
[b:26626be87f]In the essence of Seekers argument has been to way, "Well, I believe the book and not Trinity." At the end of the day, you cannot convice someone of something if they are unwilling to see it. I thought that I could at least give my own 15+ plus years experience here, but it now seems that not matter what I've said in this forum Seeking will find a way to say that it is still a cult because of the one book that they've read.[/b:26626be87f]
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zeuszor
Hi Marion. I was a member of the Trinity Foundation for about five months, beiginning in March of '06 and ending in early last August. I was the assistant to the Foundation's lead investigator, a man named Pete Evans. Ole Anthony is a pathologically dishonest, deeply narcissistic, and cynically abusive man. I heard about the book and the Dallas Observer article, posted at:
[www.dallasobserver.com]
also more at
[www.dallasobserver.com]
...while still involved with the Foundation. And after careful honest and objective analysis on my part believe that I have seen behind the curtain of lies he's taken care to weave and have beheld the bitter, cynical, angry, abusive little man whose name is Ole Anthony. I tried to defend them at first; look at the beginning of this thread and you'll see that at first I lived there and was caught up in denial too. I exhort you Nathan: this organization, while arguably having had done a service to the church in exposing religious crooks who eat the sheep that they should be feeding, is certainly nothing to hold up as an upstanding Christian ministry, and Ole Anthony certainly is nobody I'd want to encourage anybody to associate with. Indeed, he is the epitome of a false teacher (and I'm just talking about Ole's behavior as an abuser for starters; I haven't even described to you the blasphemous, heretical doctrine he teaches, presenting himself every step of the way as somebody with some kin of "anointed", special insight insofar as his twisted interpretaion of the Scriptures.) He has managed, because of his charismatic, manipulative genius and gift for a snappy quote, to stay under the radar of serious scrutiny for years, unlike, say, somebody like Hinn. Ole, however, is twice the hypocrite Hinn ever was, and that's saying something.
This man has left a wide path of psychic debris from his many abusees strewn about over a more than thirty-year period and it's time he stopped getting a pass. I only was closely associated with him for five or so months and left with the nasty taste of Ole's fruit in my mouth. Please Nathan, I beg you, take heed to what I write. It's time he be held accountable, after contriving a long career forcing accountability from others.
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If you want to say that the book is truth then add the OTHER reason why your first wife left you...
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If you want to say that the book is truth then add the OTHER reason why your first wife left you...
That is so below the belt and so ad hominem I should not bother responding to it, but to set the record straight:
1. You do not even know my ex-wife. We were divorced before you even came to Trinity.
2. The only way you could know anything about our relationship is through something I said during a confessional moment in a Bible study, when there would have been a reasonable expectation of confidentiality, or through the gossip of people who are still there.
3. That has nothing to do with the subject of this forum. It is just a personal attack.
Let me say, I know tons and tons of stuff about all of the elders at Trinity, stuff that was confessed in environments where there was a reasonable expectation of confidentiality. I have NEVER brought any of that stuff up into any discussion. Admittedly, there are things about me I have spoken of under the seal of the confessional that I don't want brought up either. Bringing those kinds of things into the discussion is WAY out of bounds.
As a matter of fact, there was some stuff about Ole that Glenna wanted to put into her article (stuff some other people said, not me or Wendy) and I convinced her not to put it in, even though I had personal knowledge it was true. Some things are just plain out of bounds, Michelle.