Re: ISKCON of Dallas/Dallas Hare Krsnas
Date: November 30, 2020 07:48AM
The Whirlwind Wrote:
> This morning I have a challenge for any and all
> persons who may be reading this: please find and
> show us a single recorded instance of Prabhupada
> having said or written either "Krishna has
> appeared as ISKCON" or "ISKCON is my body" (or
> even anything like that). I've researched this
> quite extensively, and I cannot find anything like
> that anywhere. Therefore, I reject that as a bona
> fide "Prabhupada said" quote, and regard it as
> apocrypha. But, I am open to the idea that I
> could be mistaken and that such a quote exists,
> but that I just did not find it. So please: if
> anybody reading this can find such a quote, then
> please show me. If I were a gambler, then I'd bet
> that you cannot do it.
> If it's so critical to believe that ISKCON is
> Prabhupada's body, then why did Prabhupada not
> write that down?
> "I have instructed everything in my books."
> --SPL (VI 1987) Dina Dayala das 25/02/76
The is a line of reasoning that a lot of ISKCON devotees subscribe to which says: "ISKCON is Prabhupada's mystical body and as such, it is perfect. Therefore, if I think that anything is wrong in ISKCON, or that anything with respect to ISKCON needs fixing, then what REALLY need fixing is myself and my mentality, since ISKCON is above criticism." In other words, a line of reasoning is created in which criticism of ISKCON (as an institution, whether broadly or at the local level) is conflated with criticism of Prabhupada and his mission. Therefore, a system is created in which criticism of ISKCON or its leadership, is turned into a sin.
I reject this type of reasoning, for reasons I have explained before (that is, that Prabhupada never seems to have said or written such a thing, about himself). However, maybe I am mistaken and he did write or say such a thing, but I'm just not aware of it yet. If that's the case, and ISKCON is indeed Prabhupada's mystical body, then my response to that assertion is this: bodies get sick sometimes, and need remedying. ISKCON was sick in the 1980s, for example, and in 1989 comprehensive guru reform began to remedy what was ailing the organization. So it's happened before, where ISKCON had to begin to reform itself when "the body" got sick. However, I admit that the ISKCON fanatics would maintain that everything was great all along, and was just as should have been. I myself am not an ISKCON fanatic, so I do not have that problem.
Now we need reform in Dallas, since the "leadership" here is abusive as hell. I am quite certain that Prabhupada would not be OK with kicking an old woman out of her residence, in the middle of a pandemic, with two days' notice. That is ILLEGAL. In sum, I am calling for the TP and the entire temple leadership council to be replaced. They are too used to getting away with so much abuse, for so long, like a bunch of capos.
“Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said; Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man: for I will demand of thee and answer thou me.”
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/2020 08:16AM by The Whirlwind.