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Re: Conspirituality
Posted by: facet ()
Date: December 15, 2020 05:30AM

The are so many sad stories in the Reddit group, all of which spring from incidence of manipulation.

These accounts can never be ignored or sidelined.

FYI anyone interested, Edward Bernays, apparent overlord of PR was nephew to Freud.. who assisted Bernays in much of his work.

This is probably the most stark (slap you thrice in the face obvious) historical misuse of human psychology that I have ever come across.

Observed by myself in many, if not all of those who are brought up in topic here on cult forums.

For some, conspiracy theory standpoint is a way to define a boundary. To be different in some way. For others, it is a money spinner, a favour of fortune, and a manipulative herding technique, then for the rest, conspiracy theory is a reasonable explanation or answer to the general ‘un-ease’ that they naturally feel because something IS going on.. it’s just that it is the manipulative situation, the PR in the conspiracy itself - not the story that the practice is masked with.

It is literally the narcissist in non physical form, which makes it all the more so insidious.

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Re: Understanding Qanon & Other ARGs: their impact on society and the psyche
Posted by: facet ()
Date: December 17, 2020 04:04AM

QAnon is not an ARG. It’s a dangerous conspiracy theory, and there are lots of ways of understanding conspiracy theories without ARGs. But QAnon pushes the same buttons that ARGs do, whether by intention or by coincidence. In both cases, “do your research” leads curious onlookers to a cornucopia of brain-tingling information.

Taken from an article written by Adrian Hon, who shares his insight via Twitter.. including this:

I don’t want to gatekeep, but honestly, a lot of people making this comparison clearly know very little about ARGs other than from Wikipedia. I’ve designed and played ARGs for years and I don’t see players confusing the game with reality.

- via @adrianhon on Twitter, this is a response after journalist Seth Abramson posted up a thread about the subject of the Q project originating as an ARG, a position that most ARG designers have popped up to deny.. at least from their own experiences anyway:

QAnon is an ARG (Alternate Reality Game). It was set up that way and is managed that way. QAnoners are playing an ARG and refuse to stop for the very reason transreality gaming can be hazardous: you can forget what's game and what's reality. QAnoners are lost in a dangerous game.

- via @sethabramson on Twitter.

In fairness, the original poster of this thread has not provided clear information or images of any ARG related set up which would have been online, and I am yet to see any official shop front myself.

They can be obscure and disappear, especially if it was in use amongst famous or wealthy only for entertainment or pr amongst themselves, though there is often someone somewhere with something.

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Re: Understanding Qanon & Other ARGs: their impact on society and the psyche
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: December 23, 2020 09:38PM

"And they(QAnon) are also very invasive, even deceptive, about who and what they’re all about. They don’t want to divulge some of the more bizarre aspects of their conspiracy theories, but would rather say, “Oh we’re just here to save children,” when in reality that’s not all that they’re about."

Rick Ross interviewed by Medium - quoted from article below.

As Trump meets with QAnon influencers, the conspiracy's adherents beg for dictatorship

With Trump's days in office dwindling, QAnon influencers have become increasingly restless and militant, urging the president to "#crosstherubicon.”

Dec. 22, 2020, 2:15 PM PST
By Ben Collins

NBC News


Cult Deprogrammer Rick Alan Ross on NXIVM, QAnon, and What Makes Us Vulnerable

“We predispose ourselves into being vulnerable because we dismiss cults as crazy”

Alex Kantrowitz Medium - Big Technology


Rick Ross comments on QAnon


I want to spend the last few minutes talking about QAnon, a group that believes there are folks coming after Trump and that he’s going to save people from a cabal of pedophiles, something along those lines. I’m curious how you began to be interested in QAnon and whether they fit the definition of a cult.

I gained interest when it became apparent that they were highly organized and that they were involved in activities in which they were targeting people, issues, politicians, et cetera. I think that QAnon fits the criteria for a destructive cult with one exception. We don’t know who Q is. Who is the person that perpetuates these conspiracy theories and drops them online? According to the organization or according to the followers, Q is some high-level, top-secret clearance individual in government with access to secrets that none of us could ever access without Q.

But that isn’t necessarily the truth. It’s very likely just a myth, and Q could be a person or a collective or just a scam. What’s interesting is that like many cults, Q uses a front organizational name in order to attract attention and recruits. They pose behind the moniker “Save the Children.” Now, there’s a real organization called Save the Children that is very reputable and it’s been around for a very long time. But QAnon would like to take that mantle and say, “Oh, we’re trying to save children from this pedophile conspiracy that includes all kinds of political leaders, et cetera.” And at times, this can be very volatile, when you look at the QAnon demonstrations and you see how people don’t question anything that is coming from QAnon by and large.

And they are also very invasive, even deceptive, about who and what they’re all about. They don’t want to divulge some of the more bizarre aspects of their conspiracy theories, but would rather say, “Oh we’re just here to save children,” when in reality that’s not all that they’re about.

Do you find it concerning that some of the behavior you’ve seen in cults has started to make its way into our mainstream politics?

Yeah, it’s very scary. It’s scary to think that someone in a position of power is making decisions based on their acceptance of conspiracy theories that have been repeatedly debunked and disproven. And what kind of national secrets or what position in national security will a person have who’s elected to congress and how will it affect their thinking and their performance on the job if they’ve bought in bizarre conspiracy theories perpetuated by QAnon.

It’s a real conundrum and a real problem and I don’t think it’s going to get better. I think before it does get better, it’ll get worse.

We started by talking about how the internet can be a fertile recruiting ground for cults, and what do you know? This is something that lives almost entirely online and now it’s seeping into the physical world.

What I said about cocooning yourself in a bubble online, in an echo chamber, is exactly what so many QAnon supporters do.

They feed off of each other, they reinforce each other, they follow each other on Twitter, on Facebook, on Instagram, and they watch each other on YouTube. Now, some of the social media platforms are beginning to regulate this and purge some of it from their platforms, but by and large, these people can create their own alternate reality online, which is very scary.

I’ve dealt with them trolling my sites, trolling my social media, and when I interact with them, they’re so detached from reality, it’s almost impossible to communicate. Very much like a person that’s delusional and under the undue influence of a cult.

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