Conscious Transformation Cult
Posted by: RalphHarrah ()
Date: January 30, 2020 12:20AM

This seems all innocent and helpful at first. I'm sure that's how most cults operate. There are at-home meditations, free local book clubs, and weekend conferences. I have done the meditation series and attended a conference.

The meditations are ok - they do help you build some emotional awareness. They aren't really meditations as they are guided and very active. Meditation is mindfulness and more relaxing. Joey Klein constantly interrupts the meditations by over explaining and using confusing terms for things. His book is similar. He will spend two pages explaining a simple sentence with descriptions.

The big problem comes in with the claims the leader, Joey Klein, makes. He can cause "instant transformation" and I've seen it mentioned elsewhere that his meditation or light healing can heal tumors. This doesn't surprise me.

Once you've paid enough money He will tell you he is acting as his higher self - or the universal consciousness. OK so he is God? And he will tell you that you will be more powerful than him someday (as long as you keep paying thousands of dollars per year). He shares insight on how we reincarnate as if he created the process.

Apprenticeship - the biggest scam they have going. Complete MultiLevel Marketing Pyramid SCHEME.

The conference was a constant sales pitch to be a yearly member (attend 4 conferences) and to be an Apprentice. Apprentices may become trainers but only after you train 25 people through the series ($1k each person) and you attend 4+ conferences a year. So it's an hour a week with 25 people for a year, at least $10,000 for you per year - most likely more. BUT.... "Some of the trainers are making 7 figure incomes". That is complete garbage. I have looked into these trainers. Most have other primary jobs or are married, previous wealth, and offer classes that cost $400 max for 12 weeks - and I'm sure Conscious Transformation keeps most of that. So to make 1,000,000,000 per year they would need 2,500 students attending their classes. YEAH, OK. The places they meet seem to fit 20 max.

The conference was enjoyable because I'm a self help junkie but it had no lasting effects. He does interventions just like Tony Robbins and even ends the weekend with the same energy practices. I don't know what the group work at a Tony Robbins conference is like but if it's the same then this is almost 100% a ripoff of Tony Robbins.

Some of the interventions were harsh and miscalculated. I don't think Joey Klein is qualified to take someone through there deep trauma of rape in front of 100 people.


We heard very personal emotional stories- anything from a failing marriage to rape and incest traumas.

The mirror neurons from this made me very emotional the rest of the weekend- like I wanted to cry for no reason and I never cry. I was even pursuaded to sign up for a specialty course because I felt so broken... like I needed it because there was something wrong with me. When I couldn't attend the conference they had someone else take my spot (who paid) and they refused to refund me and were very rude about it. They are helping raise the consciousness of the world though, right?

One woman had a past trauma worsened by witnessing one of these. She told Joey she was a complete mess and was now dealing with being raped and tortured by her father.

He then basically humiliated her in front of 100 people saying she is attention seeking and wants everyone to give her "warm and fuzzies and to comfort her".

She did not seem helped in the end, at all.


And then there are the people who have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars going to these conferences and specialty programs, paying for airfare and hotel while their personal relationships and career suffer.

I have personally seen two trainers act in anger, fear, immoral behavior.

Aside from the inital benefits of some Emotion Intelligence, which you can achieve almost anywhere, these programs clearly do not offer large benefit. It's possible you have a local trainer in your community that runs a good program and I don't want to say they are bad people. They probably have been fooled by Joey Klein and his marketing team at some level but they may offer some local value in their community. My advice would be to avoid going to Denver and the regionals conferences. Stay within the self-meditations and local classes.



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Re: Conscious Transformation Cult
Posted by: RalphHarrah ()
Date: January 30, 2020 01:21AM

I should add that Joey Klein is a successor of Sai Maa and even dedicated his book to her. It's clear he tries to distance himself from her publicly because she has been exposed multiple times, especially on these forums.

He was likely groomed by her as his accounts of her in interviews pretty much states. He was desperate and in a bad place and Sai Maa took him under her wing.

The story of his "Enlightenment" seems to be different in interviews, at conferences and in his book. I think Sai Maa was his only teacher but he claims different spiritual influences at different times.

It's always concerning when someone can't get their story straight and proves it's all what is more marketable. He also lives in a mansion and drives a ferrari and a porsche I believe. But who needs material things, right? He's trying to raise the consciousness of the world - but his market and pricing is for Rich White Americans.

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