Be Scofield has been doing one helluva job exposing the dark side of the guru business/Enlightement Industry.
Which would piss off a lot of people.
Anything that smears Be Scofield needs careful investigation -- all of us would want that if anyone were to do the same to us.
When discussing how Moo influences people, many of us found it very helpful to read analyses of conversational trance induction written by The Anticult, who participated on this message board 11 years ago, back when CEI was still the
Back to Be Scofield.
In summary, the only things I am certain about in a negative way regarding Be Scofield at this time is that she is choosing some targets, like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle, who really hurt nobody and do a lot of good for some. Why not instead go after truly horrible spiritual teachers and people, even if they're small-timers like James Swartz.
The Anticult wrote those in depth analyses of conversational trance induction because TAC recognized these were the methods being used by Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle. And people were being harmed. THey participated in the discussions.
The Anticults analyses of these methods run to many, many pages on the message board. And would be great material for a journalist... such as Be Scofield.
A strong argument could be made that they are more important to investigate than JS, given their vast commercial empires and how their material has been readily confused with cognitive behavior therapy, with Buddhism and that their books and materials on the shelves at bookstores and reputable retreat centers all over the world.
Anticult on Byron Katie -- a few samples
Anticult on Tolle
BK and Tolle are both being adroitly marketed as being compatible with Buddhist practice.
They are quite good subjects for journalistic scrutiny, especially from so astute a journalist as Be Scofield has been.
The Anticult commented:
also, notice how much more clever Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle are than all these folks?
BK and ET both know listing all your past affiliations, seminars, and guru's and former cults, etc, carries a lot of baggage.
So they went and suppressed all of their past affiliations, and just pretended that a cockroach and a park bench done it.
Very clever indeed.
Who was the first big western type Guru who created a false past?
Werner Erhard tried to do it, but it caught up with him.
L Ron Hubbard fabricated his past history...
but all those lies caught up with them later.
So its smarter to just not say anything, make up stories that can't be disproven, and even go so far as to say you are a Savant and forget most of your past, in case you get busted for some of the BS about the past. (like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle).
There has to be some early western pseudo-mystery guru's who did this in the 50's...
It is a very clever idea.
Here's a post by Anticult which actually ties BK, ET and Oprah together.
Date: July 29, 2008 11:21AM
Haven't listened to the interview yet, will do so later.
But its very interesting that Byron Katie says The Work "alleviates depression, decreases stress".
That is due to this thread on the Rick Ross Forum.
Byron Katie (the Work) Complaints, California Board of Psychology, FTC
(as of March 03, 2008, they have reposted and CHANGED at least 6 CLAIMS)
Before this thread, Byron Katie was claiming on her main website that The Work ELIMINATES depression and stress.
After this was pointed out here, and what came from that, they changed it. It all captured in this thread in real time.
So Byron Katie knows what is going on in this thread, and is tap-dancing to try and avoid getting in trouble for making medical sounding claims, among many other things.
(her other websites still claim that The Work ELIMINATES depression and stress. I guess she figures she can get away with those ones, as they are less public and looked at by people already involved in her following. She wants to maintain the extreme claim, as that is the Big Claim salespitch. Hopefully the FTC is looking into those claims.)
Byron Katie is very clever, notice how she flatters Oprah with the Eckhart praise and comment that he is a DEAR FRIEND to her and everyone. This is pandering to Oprah, as she has been so criticized for the Eckhart Tolle promotion, people calling him her weird Guru, etc. Katie is so slick, she smooths that one over like a real pro, and give herself credibility by saying she is a good buddy of Tolle, and that Tolle is a wonderful friend of the planet, etc. (always flatter the King and Queen, as they say).
Its really just massaging Oprah's soft-spot, in an indirect way, by praising what she is praising...
But just reading the text above about the cockroach...that is a waking hypnotic induction.
You see, as she tells the Story, it appears in your mind.
Asleep on floor, eyes closed, (hypnosis), cockroach (shock-disgust), OPEN EYES, JOY, then she sells The Work as being the way to happiness.
Then if it gets confusing, that is by design. Creating Confusion is the #1 technique of Byron Katie, it draws people in, and makes them wonder, and puts them off-balance. Byron Katie is highly skilled, and knows exactly how to Target her audience.
If she has more interviews, she will compress her entire method into those interviews.
The Cockroach Induction is very well done. It is unforgettable, which is why she tells that Story like that, and it condenses her entire pitch into one short story, which is the stake in the ground, which she then links all of her other Stories to.
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