Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: November 03, 2019 11:14PM
We need to demand more about information about healthcare/lack of health care in Moo's fiefdoms.
Meanwhile, many have alleged how people are subjected to hurtful, humiliating laughter at Moo satsangs.
(Must ask whether laughter is used to humiliate people who attend Mooji groups outside of Monte Sahaja. Is perpetration of humiliating laughter used to identify useful recruits? Weed out dissenters?)
Here's a concept: weaponized laughter as a means of humiliation and social control.
I collected some material here. Please feel free to add your own examples.
[forum.culteducation.com]
Meanwhile, in addition to demanding that visitors to Sahaja be fully informed as to actual health care at Monte Sahaja, let's ask what happens in the various Moo satsang meetings taking place all over the world.
Who gets to be or remain leader of a local Moo group? Can anyone start such group? Are leaders ousted or appointed by Monte Sahaja?
Is there any financial gain if one is leader of a local Moo group?
What role if any does a local Moo group play in recruitment or PR?
Do OSHO sanyassins play any role in local Moo groups?
Do these take place in renter spaces?
Are their finances fully disclosed?
Do any Moo groups own or plan to own property?
Has anyone ever incurred harm or humiliation whilst member of a Moo group?
Who runs a Moo group? How is a leader selected? Is leadership on a rotating basis or determined by social status, wealth or possession of a domineering personality?
Are Moo groups good neighbors?
Have you been told to keep secrets?
Meanwhile, many have alleged how people are subjected to hurtful, humiliating laughter at Moo satsangs.
(Must ask whether laughter is used to humiliate people who attend Mooji groups outside of Monte Sahaja. Is perpetration of humiliating laughter used to identify useful recruits? Weed out dissenters?)
Here's a concept: weaponized laughter as a means of humiliation and social control.
I collected some material here. Please feel free to add your own examples.
[forum.culteducation.com]
Meanwhile, in addition to demanding that visitors to Sahaja be fully informed as to actual health care at Monte Sahaja, let's ask what happens in the various Moo satsang meetings taking place all over the world.
Who gets to be or remain leader of a local Moo group? Can anyone start such group? Are leaders ousted or appointed by Monte Sahaja?
Is there any financial gain if one is leader of a local Moo group?
What role if any does a local Moo group play in recruitment or PR?
Do OSHO sanyassins play any role in local Moo groups?
Do these take place in renter spaces?
Are their finances fully disclosed?
Do any Moo groups own or plan to own property?
Has anyone ever incurred harm or humiliation whilst member of a Moo group?
Who runs a Moo group? How is a leader selected? Is leadership on a rotating basis or determined by social status, wealth or possession of a domineering personality?
Are Moo groups good neighbors?
Have you been told to keep secrets?
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
Maria Lena
()
Date: November 04, 2019 03:10PM
This is the information I have found in the website of M.
Satsang is the foundation of the gatherings
We encourage Sangha groups to move in outer and inner silence as much as possible before, during and after Satsang. This creates a highly supportive environment for Satsang and is in harmony with how Satsang is offered and received wherever Moojibaba is physically present.
We recommend that those who come to the gathering are welcomed from the heart and given a few words of introduction about the video being shown. Everyone should find their own place to sit comfortably to enjoy the gathering. Sometimes, at the end of a session, it can be a beautiful opportunity just to sit in silence or silent contemplation, say for 10-15 minutes. You can close the session by ringing a bell.
Avoid superficial socialising at Sangha gatherings. This means avoid engaging with others on personal or worldly matters which can become a distraction from discovering the pure presence. Focus on your own sense of being and remain as the Self or Isness, like this your presence may inspire others. In this way, we keep the vibration high and recognise that this is a sacred space where Truth is experienced and shared.
Some groups have a more relaxed approach where the members interact between themselves more, while others find stricter silence better for the group. Either way, it is most important to pay attention to the inner environment of your group—that it is held in presence and harmony, and that there is an integrity and internal strength. In Sahaja everyone moves in a natural field of silence, and communicates from the ground of presence. It purifies and strengthens the atmosphere and climate in which we meet and it is still full of love.
Focus on Satsang
The program at Monte Sahaja and Satsang events varies and can include additional activities such as bhajans, chanting, aarti and laughing yoga, as well as displaying an element of devotional expression. Please know that it is not necessary to include these expressions within your Sangha group. Moojibaba’s teaching is complete in itself. Sometimes, these activities can flow naturally from the heart, and if this happens within your group, please be considerate towards the other members present, particularly any who are new. Care should be taken to explain the significance and meaning of each activity so that everyone understands and no one feels pressured.
A note on Expressions of Gratitude: Many in the Sangha naturally feel a great love, respect and gratitude towards Moojibaba. Although some people show their love for him by touching his feet, particularly in the East, he does not encourage anyone to approach him in this manner. He prefers to be greeted with a polite ‘Hello’ or ‘Namaste’. Moojibaba likes when we are natural with him. Of course, we respect him and he wishes that we respect one another at all times. Following Moojibaba’s guidance and maturing in the recognition of our true nature is the greatest expression of our love and gratitude.
There is no need to promote Moojibaba’s pointings or to advertise gatherings
Small groups are perfectly fine and there is no expectation or pressure to increase or limit the size of your gathering beyond what happens naturally and organically. Moojibaba generally welcomes everyone with an open heart. He enjoys, most of all, to meet beings who are hungry for Truth. He trusts that mostly these are the beings who will come and that you will recognise them naturally.
The Sangha group offers Satsang as one
It is beautiful when many members of the group come together to share the practical tasks and to set up the Satsang space as one Sangha. Those who offer their homes for watching Satsang should not be considered as group leaders, and different people in the group can also take turns hosting gatherings if this is the feeling. In this way the group shares the joy and responsibility of offering a space for Satsang. There should not be a hierarchy or any sense of ‘specialness’. If someone is nominated as the group contact, please know that this is for practical purposes. Remembering that Moojibaba is very open, flexible, intuitive and kind somehow guides us in every way.
Those coming to watch Satsang must move with care and respect for the host and for the space offered. If you have opened your home for the group to come together and you feel uncomfortable about the behaviour of any visitor, you are not obliged to invite them again.
If something within the group does not feel right or harmonious, the best approach is to address it directly within the group itself. It may take a little time for your Sangha to bond and become a strong, beautiful field of being, sharing from the heart with trust, wisdom, power and grace. Some patience is necessary. However, if there continues to be a strain without resolution, please contact the International Sangha team for guidance.
Sangha groups are not platforms for social initiatives, charitable work, businesses or services
If anyone wishes to engage in any of the above mentioned activities please ensure these happen outside of the group, its meetings, and any of its communication channels.
Gatherings are free of charge
Naturally, expenses to come together can be shared amongst the group, however we ask that no donations are collected for or on behalf of Mooji Foundation. In case someone wishes to donate to Mooji Foundation, you can direct them here.
Other points
Please be aware that the Sangha groups have no legal or official affiliation with Mooji Foundation Ltd or the other Mooji organisations and therefore do not represent Mooji in any official way.
A powerful way to remain tuned in to the spirit of Sahaja and be connected with the most recent postings and spontaneous Satsangs is to subscribe to Sahaja Express. From time to time, the International Sangha team will also send information and tips, so please keep checking your email regularly.
Satsang is the foundation of the gatherings
We encourage Sangha groups to move in outer and inner silence as much as possible before, during and after Satsang. This creates a highly supportive environment for Satsang and is in harmony with how Satsang is offered and received wherever Moojibaba is physically present.
We recommend that those who come to the gathering are welcomed from the heart and given a few words of introduction about the video being shown. Everyone should find their own place to sit comfortably to enjoy the gathering. Sometimes, at the end of a session, it can be a beautiful opportunity just to sit in silence or silent contemplation, say for 10-15 minutes. You can close the session by ringing a bell.
Avoid superficial socialising at Sangha gatherings. This means avoid engaging with others on personal or worldly matters which can become a distraction from discovering the pure presence. Focus on your own sense of being and remain as the Self or Isness, like this your presence may inspire others. In this way, we keep the vibration high and recognise that this is a sacred space where Truth is experienced and shared.
Some groups have a more relaxed approach where the members interact between themselves more, while others find stricter silence better for the group. Either way, it is most important to pay attention to the inner environment of your group—that it is held in presence and harmony, and that there is an integrity and internal strength. In Sahaja everyone moves in a natural field of silence, and communicates from the ground of presence. It purifies and strengthens the atmosphere and climate in which we meet and it is still full of love.
Focus on Satsang
The program at Monte Sahaja and Satsang events varies and can include additional activities such as bhajans, chanting, aarti and laughing yoga, as well as displaying an element of devotional expression. Please know that it is not necessary to include these expressions within your Sangha group. Moojibaba’s teaching is complete in itself. Sometimes, these activities can flow naturally from the heart, and if this happens within your group, please be considerate towards the other members present, particularly any who are new. Care should be taken to explain the significance and meaning of each activity so that everyone understands and no one feels pressured.
A note on Expressions of Gratitude: Many in the Sangha naturally feel a great love, respect and gratitude towards Moojibaba. Although some people show their love for him by touching his feet, particularly in the East, he does not encourage anyone to approach him in this manner. He prefers to be greeted with a polite ‘Hello’ or ‘Namaste’. Moojibaba likes when we are natural with him. Of course, we respect him and he wishes that we respect one another at all times. Following Moojibaba’s guidance and maturing in the recognition of our true nature is the greatest expression of our love and gratitude.
There is no need to promote Moojibaba’s pointings or to advertise gatherings
Small groups are perfectly fine and there is no expectation or pressure to increase or limit the size of your gathering beyond what happens naturally and organically. Moojibaba generally welcomes everyone with an open heart. He enjoys, most of all, to meet beings who are hungry for Truth. He trusts that mostly these are the beings who will come and that you will recognise them naturally.
The Sangha group offers Satsang as one
It is beautiful when many members of the group come together to share the practical tasks and to set up the Satsang space as one Sangha. Those who offer their homes for watching Satsang should not be considered as group leaders, and different people in the group can also take turns hosting gatherings if this is the feeling. In this way the group shares the joy and responsibility of offering a space for Satsang. There should not be a hierarchy or any sense of ‘specialness’. If someone is nominated as the group contact, please know that this is for practical purposes. Remembering that Moojibaba is very open, flexible, intuitive and kind somehow guides us in every way.
Those coming to watch Satsang must move with care and respect for the host and for the space offered. If you have opened your home for the group to come together and you feel uncomfortable about the behaviour of any visitor, you are not obliged to invite them again.
If something within the group does not feel right or harmonious, the best approach is to address it directly within the group itself. It may take a little time for your Sangha to bond and become a strong, beautiful field of being, sharing from the heart with trust, wisdom, power and grace. Some patience is necessary. However, if there continues to be a strain without resolution, please contact the International Sangha team for guidance.
Sangha groups are not platforms for social initiatives, charitable work, businesses or services
If anyone wishes to engage in any of the above mentioned activities please ensure these happen outside of the group, its meetings, and any of its communication channels.
Gatherings are free of charge
Naturally, expenses to come together can be shared amongst the group, however we ask that no donations are collected for or on behalf of Mooji Foundation. In case someone wishes to donate to Mooji Foundation, you can direct them here.
Other points
Please be aware that the Sangha groups have no legal or official affiliation with Mooji Foundation Ltd or the other Mooji organisations and therefore do not represent Mooji in any official way.
A powerful way to remain tuned in to the spirit of Sahaja and be connected with the most recent postings and spontaneous Satsangs is to subscribe to Sahaja Express. From time to time, the International Sangha team will also send information and tips, so please keep checking your email regularly.
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
JanetD
()
Date: November 05, 2019 09:23PM
corboy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Meanwhile, in addition to demanding that visitors
> to Sahaja be fully informed as to actual health
> care at Monte Sahaja, let's ask what happens in
> the various Moo satsang meetings taking place all
> over the world.
>
> Who gets to be or remain leader of a local Moo
> group? Can anyone start such group? Are leaders
> ousted or appointed by Monte Sahaja?
>
> Is there any financial gain if one is leader of a
> local Moo group?
>
> What role if any does a local Moo group play in
> recruitment or PR?
>
> Do OSHO sanyassins play any role in local Moo
> groups?
>
> Do these take place in renter spaces?
>
> Are their finances fully disclosed?
>
> Do any Moo groups own or plan to own property?
>
> Has anyone ever incurred harm or humiliation
> whilst member of a Moo group?
>
> Who runs a Moo group? How is a leader selected? Is
> leadership on a rotating basis or determined by
> social status, wealth or possession of a
> domineering personality?
>
> Are Moo groups good neighbors?
>
> Have you been told to keep secrets?
Well, your questions are easy to answer.
As being in a local group and knowing also about how some others organize their gatherings i can give you some insider information.
Who gets to be or remain leader of a local Moo
group? Can anyone start such group? Are leaders
ousted or appointed by Monte Sahaja?
There is no real leader of a local Sangha group. If you open your apartment for a meeting and organize a bit and send the invitations you are the host.
Is there any financial gain if one is leader of a
local Moo group?
Anyone can start a group and no one is chosen by Monte Sahaja.
The meetings are completely non-commercial, the host can provide snacks or drinks or the participants bring something with them.
What role if any does a local Moo group play in
recruitment or PR?
There is no recruitment or advertising for the groups.
This is also not recommended by the international Sangha support.
Do OSHO sanyassins play any role in local Moo
groups?
There is no special connection to Osho but there are certainly also former Osho devotees in Mooji groups.
Alone because of the size of the former Osho movement this is nothing special.
People from all religious and philosophical backgrounds attend Mooji meetings.
Do these take place in renter spaces?
Most Sangha groups meet in private apartments. Most groups are quite small maybe only
5-10 people.No need to rent a place.
Are their finances fully disclosed?
Since the meetings are completely free of charge, there is no financial overview to publish.
Do any Moo groups own or plan to own property?
I don't know anything about this but most meetings are just a small amount of people meeting in private apartments. I doubt they plan to buy any property for this.
Has anyone ever incurred harm or humiliation
whilst member of a Moo group?
I have never heard anything like that.
Who runs a Moo group? How is a leader selected? Is
leadership on a rotating basis or determined by
social status, wealth or possession of a
domineering personality?
There is no real leader of a local sangha group. If you open your apartment for a meeting and organize a bit and send the invitations you are the host. The host role might change from time to time depending on who is available to organize and host the meetings.
Are Moo groups good neighbors?
No complaints so far from our neighbours. ;-)
Have you been told to keep secrets?
No, and who should tell us to keep what kind of secrets.
There is no leadership from the Sahaja Ashram to the local groups.
Local groups are completely independent.
So i hope all your questions are answered.
Regards
Janet
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Meanwhile, in addition to demanding that visitors
> to Sahaja be fully informed as to actual health
> care at Monte Sahaja, let's ask what happens in
> the various Moo satsang meetings taking place all
> over the world.
>
> Who gets to be or remain leader of a local Moo
> group? Can anyone start such group? Are leaders
> ousted or appointed by Monte Sahaja?
>
> Is there any financial gain if one is leader of a
> local Moo group?
>
> What role if any does a local Moo group play in
> recruitment or PR?
>
> Do OSHO sanyassins play any role in local Moo
> groups?
>
> Do these take place in renter spaces?
>
> Are their finances fully disclosed?
>
> Do any Moo groups own or plan to own property?
>
> Has anyone ever incurred harm or humiliation
> whilst member of a Moo group?
>
> Who runs a Moo group? How is a leader selected? Is
> leadership on a rotating basis or determined by
> social status, wealth or possession of a
> domineering personality?
>
> Are Moo groups good neighbors?
>
> Have you been told to keep secrets?
Well, your questions are easy to answer.
As being in a local group and knowing also about how some others organize their gatherings i can give you some insider information.
Who gets to be or remain leader of a local Moo
group? Can anyone start such group? Are leaders
ousted or appointed by Monte Sahaja?
There is no real leader of a local Sangha group. If you open your apartment for a meeting and organize a bit and send the invitations you are the host.
Is there any financial gain if one is leader of a
local Moo group?
Anyone can start a group and no one is chosen by Monte Sahaja.
The meetings are completely non-commercial, the host can provide snacks or drinks or the participants bring something with them.
What role if any does a local Moo group play in
recruitment or PR?
There is no recruitment or advertising for the groups.
This is also not recommended by the international Sangha support.
Do OSHO sanyassins play any role in local Moo
groups?
There is no special connection to Osho but there are certainly also former Osho devotees in Mooji groups.
Alone because of the size of the former Osho movement this is nothing special.
People from all religious and philosophical backgrounds attend Mooji meetings.
Do these take place in renter spaces?
Most Sangha groups meet in private apartments. Most groups are quite small maybe only
5-10 people.No need to rent a place.
Are their finances fully disclosed?
Since the meetings are completely free of charge, there is no financial overview to publish.
Do any Moo groups own or plan to own property?
I don't know anything about this but most meetings are just a small amount of people meeting in private apartments. I doubt they plan to buy any property for this.
Has anyone ever incurred harm or humiliation
whilst member of a Moo group?
I have never heard anything like that.
Who runs a Moo group? How is a leader selected? Is
leadership on a rotating basis or determined by
social status, wealth or possession of a
domineering personality?
There is no real leader of a local sangha group. If you open your apartment for a meeting and organize a bit and send the invitations you are the host. The host role might change from time to time depending on who is available to organize and host the meetings.
Are Moo groups good neighbors?
No complaints so far from our neighbours. ;-)
Have you been told to keep secrets?
No, and who should tell us to keep what kind of secrets.
There is no leadership from the Sahaja Ashram to the local groups.
Local groups are completely independent.
So i hope all your questions are answered.
Regards
Janet
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
MynameisHeather
()
Date: November 06, 2019 10:09AM
JanetD,
From your viewpoint everything is PERFECT in Mooland.
People in the Moo cult who have suffered from the cultic mindset and mind control will probably feel very differently.
It's my personal point of view that no one should kiss the feet of a teacher...and it seems there is a lot of unusual and disturbing activity surrounding the Moo cult...people have died. Are we going to gloss over all of this???
In my opinion, Moo is just another needy, greedy conman out there to aquire poor seekers to follow him.
Are you another one of his victims? Speaking out on his behalf???
In this situation, a lot can go wrong. We don't know what sub-dramas are being played out here...but lots of eyes are ON THIS.
From your viewpoint everything is PERFECT in Mooland.
People in the Moo cult who have suffered from the cultic mindset and mind control will probably feel very differently.
It's my personal point of view that no one should kiss the feet of a teacher...and it seems there is a lot of unusual and disturbing activity surrounding the Moo cult...people have died. Are we going to gloss over all of this???
In my opinion, Moo is just another needy, greedy conman out there to aquire poor seekers to follow him.
Are you another one of his victims? Speaking out on his behalf???
In this situation, a lot can go wrong. We don't know what sub-dramas are being played out here...but lots of eyes are ON THIS.
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
MynameisHeather
()
Date: November 06, 2019 10:57AM
Politicians
Gurus
criminals
...all deny their crimes.
When are we going to collectively WAKE UP?
Wolves in sheep's clothing.
Why do we give our power over to people who claim they have the absolute knowledge?
When will come the time when we take responsibility for our own experiences...and for the well being of others and ourselves???
We are all afraid of living and dying.
It takes great courage to face the night alone...my one voice speaking with God's....without the intermediary.
Come on People! Let's get some courage.
Don't let these con artists take over our minds.
These guys are assholes.
Stop the control and abuse now!
Gurus
criminals
...all deny their crimes.
When are we going to collectively WAKE UP?
Wolves in sheep's clothing.
Why do we give our power over to people who claim they have the absolute knowledge?
When will come the time when we take responsibility for our own experiences...and for the well being of others and ourselves???
We are all afraid of living and dying.
It takes great courage to face the night alone...my one voice speaking with God's....without the intermediary.
Come on People! Let's get some courage.
Don't let these con artists take over our minds.
These guys are assholes.
Stop the control and abuse now!
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
MynameisHeather
()
Date: November 06, 2019 11:41AM
Correction:
I wrote "people have died".
I meant to write "People have suffered".
I apologize for this typo.
I wrote "people have died".
I meant to write "People have suffered".
I apologize for this typo.
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
JanetD
()
Date: November 06, 2019 03:43PM
Heather,
Well i just answered truthfully the questions asked by Corboy.
Myself and my friends never had problems with Mooji and appreciate the pointers.
Anything else reported ,specially all that very negative stuff we didn't
have any personal experience like this with Mooji.
You say: " In my opinion, Moo is just another needy, greedy conman out there to aquire poor seekers to follow him. "
May i ask you if you have ever met Mooji or had any connection to him?
I understand that you had bad experiences with that Swartz guy in the past but projecting that bad experience on any other teacher/guru without even knowing them .... .
Regards
Janet
Well i just answered truthfully the questions asked by Corboy.
Myself and my friends never had problems with Mooji and appreciate the pointers.
Anything else reported ,specially all that very negative stuff we didn't
have any personal experience like this with Mooji.
You say: " In my opinion, Moo is just another needy, greedy conman out there to aquire poor seekers to follow him. "
May i ask you if you have ever met Mooji or had any connection to him?
I understand that you had bad experiences with that Swartz guy in the past but projecting that bad experience on any other teacher/guru without even knowing them .... .
Regards
Janet
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
Valma
()
Date: November 06, 2019 04:57PM
I
Please note and read below what was already stated in an earlier post by Ananas to which we can now add to category 1. those people who are part of an international sangha group
"12. Levels of closeness in Moojis cult:
Always have in mind that there are many levels of closeness. And it might be very well so that if you are in level 1-5 that you will not see the abuse, manipulation and dark side of M. It starts to happen when you get dependant on him, level 6 to 8.
1. people who know M via internet or books
2. people who came to one or more retreats but do not make it to sahaja
3. people who have spent short time in sahaja and then go home and have a job etc
4. people who have been coming for seva more often and longer periods but still have a job and a home somewhere else
5. people who have been living around sahaja for years, have houses there, go to sahaja regularly (working, satsangs) but have money to support themselves (retirement, making money from renting to other devotees etc)
6. people who have left everything (job, home, family) and live in sahaja and are totally dependant on M
7. from the people of category 6 some get closer, have more important jobs, spend more time with M in very small gatherings
8. the close circle: his entourage, the bodyguards, those who know about the finances of the organization and about everything M is doing day and night"
Please note and read below what was already stated in an earlier post by Ananas to which we can now add to category 1. those people who are part of an international sangha group
"12. Levels of closeness in Moojis cult:
Always have in mind that there are many levels of closeness. And it might be very well so that if you are in level 1-5 that you will not see the abuse, manipulation and dark side of M. It starts to happen when you get dependant on him, level 6 to 8.
1. people who know M via internet or books
2. people who came to one or more retreats but do not make it to sahaja
3. people who have spent short time in sahaja and then go home and have a job etc
4. people who have been coming for seva more often and longer periods but still have a job and a home somewhere else
5. people who have been living around sahaja for years, have houses there, go to sahaja regularly (working, satsangs) but have money to support themselves (retirement, making money from renting to other devotees etc)
6. people who have left everything (job, home, family) and live in sahaja and are totally dependant on M
7. from the people of category 6 some get closer, have more important jobs, spend more time with M in very small gatherings
8. the close circle: his entourage, the bodyguards, those who know about the finances of the organization and about everything M is doing day and night"
Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by:
rrmoderator
()
Date: November 06, 2019 08:29PM
JanetD:
Why are you here posting on this thread?
What knowledge do you have of how Mooji is held accountable through an elected board, independent financial audit, etc.?
Are you specifically aware of any meaningful accountability he has as a leader?
Are you just here to defend Mooji?
Why are you here posting on this thread?
What knowledge do you have of how Mooji is held accountable through an elected board, independent financial audit, etc.?
Are you specifically aware of any meaningful accountability he has as a leader?
Are you just here to defend Mooji?
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