Valma wrote:

"I came to see that Mooji does not speak of such preparation like moral values, duties in society, understanding & control of one’s emotions etc.. It is like you are given a university book with the myth of instant enlightenment when you actually need to fulfill the first level of grammar school. It won’t work."

Yes!

Hi everyone!

I did spend a few years in and around Sahaja and I am currently writing a long text about it. In the meantime I want to share some quotes, I found on Youtube about Mooji :



Steve wrote: 'I have always thought that the guru syndrome is poisonous, both for gurus and followers, particularly outside the traditional context of India. The guru syndrome leads to unthinking wholesale devotion. It's rooted in a psychological regression to the pre-egoic devotion of a young child to their parents, with a desire to abdicate responsibility and hand it all over to the guru.

It doesn't lead to enlightenment, just to infantile narcissism. The oneness that disciples may feel is just equivalent to the oneness that a baby feels with its mother. And for the guru, this mindless devotion leads to ego-inflation. The guru really starts to believe that they are perfect, even that they are divine. And it all ends in disaster - unethical behaviour, hierarchy, exploitation, psychological disorder. The best thing a spiritual teacher can do is to avoid guru worship. And the best thing a spiritual seeker can do is to avoid gurus.''




Jestes wrote:
I think you are very brave to speak out...Thank you! I was living with Mooji and some of his Sangha members for 10 days in 2011, because I was an organizer of a Satsang in Poland. We were in touch to 2016. I have a lot of unbelievably strange or just "not fitting" behaviours and experiences with them, like: disrupting preparations, being constantly not satisfied, eating meat and drinking cola, packing Satsang money straight to their pockets, not allowing to bring any water on Satsang (what would mean 3-4 hours without drinking on Summer) and so on...

But the worse has happened after: not writing back on letters we had agreements to write back = silent treatment (and yes, I was also thinking this was "ego burning" method), than they asked us to remove some pictures of Mooji from our website, because he was looking too normally there (i.e. just resting, lying down, eating), they asked us also to remove some words, we'd quoted, than we wanted to translate Mooji's books into Polish and to send his books through a special website dedicated to him. They didn't allow, because we didn't "fit to Mooji''s image" anymore, was said by a Mooji PR specialist. I have all very creepy letters on my e-mail box. I have many pictures also and what I have most of all - is my experience.

Now I'm my own master too and I'm sure that real freedom is from gurus's cults at all. Up to now I was thinking - only Mooji Sangha is totally freaked out. But now I begin to allow myself to say that as Mooji is inspiring and a great story teller - he has also some shadow part at least, otherwise he wouldn't allow this narcissistic people to be his team. As a sociologist I have to say: what surrounds Mooji presently is definitely a cult and a sect. But I must admit also I don't think Mooji is sexual abuser. First of all - he's body is seek and painful all the time..."



Jeanne wrote:
if Henri cannot say it, I will. Every Mooji Satsang is a full on hypnotherapy session, brainwashing using Ericksonian style Hypnosis. The large majority of participants are shut eye, hands on lap & in a deep trance throughout the session, the invitation is an induction & the instant enlightenment thing is a typical hypnotherapy style visualization exercise. The videos on youtube are a bit softer, the "silent retreats" are heavier. None of these articles or videos released recently cover the hypnosis element in much detail, possibly because understanding is a bit thinner & hypnosis practitioners may not be so keen to explain the in's & out's in fine detail...

Henri clearly understands the technical aspects of what Mooji does in his sessions & felt he needed to talk. While I could not study Sahaja, I have studied Mooji's subconscious language, behavior & hypnosis techniques. Red flags everywhere... When you understand the technique, you can see the intended suggestion, the suggestion gives you intent, intent gives you motive. Henri & I can see his motive. We can see where this leads people & the further psychological conditioning they receive when they get to Sahaja, these cult like mind control techniques based on fear, isolation & regression of character (identity, thoughts) are well documented in other cult environments. The motive is clear, look at what moo has built around him, enslaving these individuals psychologically & physically. Feeding his warped sense of self & his desires with these souls. Its devilish... There is nothing awoken about this man."




Toby wrote:
"Hypnosis and trance. I was with a famous guru (Rajneesh) for years. Same deal. Yes, these guys can move energy in a way to make people feel something they did not feel before. That is intensified by the group energy, which can be seen during rock concerts and even political rallies. The group energy is also stirred by the theatrical surroundings, music, etc. Then people are led to believe that what they are experiencing has something to do with expanding awareness or consciousness. It does, but it is self induced and has nothing to do directly with any special spiritual qualities of the guru.

Trance and hypnosis are not always experienced as zombie like, sleepwalking states. They often feel like heightened awareness and clarity. This is especially true if the environment is set up to isolate one from daily life, as in a guru's sangha. Self suggestion is a very strong mechanism. We believe that which we wish to believe and experience it not only emotionally but physiologically, as has been demonstrated by numerous studies. I know how hard it is to really look critically and see that one has been taken for a ride. Some people never get there."

Hi All,
I really appreciated Henri's video in which he speaks about animal activism, adding emphasis by showing Ramana Maharishi's love and deep respect for animals and all life,
If I were to put all other Mooji issues aside, the incident regarding the killing of the mother crane would be MORE THAN ENOUGH to walk away from this guy.
It is disgusting how M walks and buggies around Sahaja declaring 'Jai Sahaja, may it be eternally blessed' with his arms to God (oh wait, that would be him? - joking) and all that pompous crap. This from a narcissistic, self-absorbed, self-infatuated scheister who would rather kill anything that disturbs his precious monument to himself (Sahaja) than walk his lying talk about the Oneness of life. It is abhorrent.
I remember in Rishikesh in 2016 a monkey got into the hall through the ceiling beams during satsang and got everyone's attention - it was quite a lovely and enjoyable moment. Instead of Mooji accepting the fun of the moment, perhaps to say 'look who came to satsang today' or something like that - he got pissed off that the spotlight left HIM and admonished the entire sangha by saying something like 'Here I'm giving you the most valuable knowledge in the human kingdom (a favorite jingle of his) and you're looking at a monkey" I mean, come on !!! This is right up there with the comment 'better you wet yourself than leave the room while I'm talking!" OMG it's so clear where this guy is at.
When I subscribed to Sahaja Express, sometimes in a video a kitty would walk behind him and I also just felt he hated that distraction. If he was so Ramana-esque, maybe he would give it some love. Also I wonder about that animal charity he claims to support on his website - frankly I feel he couldn't care less.
Anyway, forgive the rant - as I keep up with this forum, the picture is so clear about the total hypocrisy that is Moo.
Really, God Bless you all for your wisdom, clarity and astute comments !

Gosh. You don't know how this forum opened my eyes, with the other happenings around me these days. It was a step I didn't wanted to take the last years since I left Sahaja, but to express myself and post here made all the difference.

Thank you for the ones who answered me and the others that brought their point of view along this topic. Yes I've been recently professionally helped because this all story was eating me from inside for too long, and I fell into heavy drugs to find relief, to say the least. But still I was ready just few days ago to go back for good.

I wish so much strength to everyone who have lost their freedom in this story. Connect back with your original family, if we seek guides and teachers they are there, well settled since the beginning of this life. It's a long road but it worth it. It doesn't lead anywhere too debate which is right or wrong, but please, may these forums help the ones that are fucking dying after leaving this movement (and many others).

What a world... Be brave dear friends <3

2cents Wrote:
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> Hi All,
> I really appreciated Henri's video in which he
> he speaks about animal activism, adding emphasis
> by showing Ramana Maharishi's love and deep
> respect for animals and all life,
> If I were to put all other Mooji issues aside,
> de, the incident regarding the killing of the
> mother crane would be MORE THAN ENOUGH to walk
> away from this guy.
> It is disgusting how M walks and buggies around
> Sahaja declaring 'Jai Sahaja, may it be eternally
> blessed' with his arms to God (oh wait, that would
> be him? - joking) and all that pompous crap. This
> from a narcissistic, self-absorbed,
> self-infatuated scheister who would rather kill
> anything that disturbs his precious monument to
> himself (Sahaja) than walk his lying talk about
> the Oneness of life. It is abhorrent.
> I remember in Rishikesh in 2016 a monkey got
> got into the hall through the ceiling beams during
> satsang and got everyone's attention - it was
> quite a lovely and enjoyable moment. Instead of
> Mooji accepting the fun of the moment, perhaps to
> say 'look who came to satsang today' or something
> like that - he got pissed off that the spotlight
> left HIM and admonished the entire sangha by
> saying something like 'Here I'm giving you the
> most valuable knowledge in the human kingdom (a
> favorite jingle of his) and you're looking at a
> monkey" I mean, come on !!! This is right up
> there with the comment 'better you wet yourself
> than leave the room while I'm talking!" OMG it's
> so clear where this guy is at.
> When I subscribed to Sahaja Express,
> ress, sometimes in a video a kitty would walk
> behind him and I also just felt he hated that
> distraction. If he was so Ramana-esque, maybe he
> would give it some love. Also I wonder about that
> animal charity he claims to support on his website
> - frankly I feel he couldn't care less.
> Anyway, forgive the rant - as I keep up with
> th this forum, the picture is so clear about the
> total hypocrisy that is Moo.
> Really, God Bless you all for your wisdom, clarity
> and astute comments !



I really appreciate your post 2cents. A close friend of mine was actually there when the bird was shot. The babies died as well, they found the nest and the birds weren’t getting food so expired. It was a tipping point for a couple of people there from what I understand.

I saw a few people came forward on the Questioning Mooji Facebook page. I hope more people may share there who feel strong enough to do so, as it may reach more people that don’t come here and speed up the spread of information. That page is the only other place I know of that can be a place to get the word out and help spare others as well as bring some healing.

Ananta, the Mooji’s closest Indian disciple:
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Look at that, what was going on in the Ananta worshiping group-part of Mooji sangha 2016:
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a kid misused in worshiping Ananta:
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Steve
I have always thought that the guru syndrome is poisonous, both for gurus and followers, particularly outside the traditional context of India. The guru syndrome leads to unthinking wholesale devotion. It's rooted in a psychological regression to the pre-egoic devotion of a young child to their parents, with a desire to abdicate responsibility and hand it all over to the guru.

It doesn't lead to enlightenment, just to infantile narcissism. The oneness that disciples may feel is just equivalent to the oneness that a baby feels with its mother. And for the guru, this mindless devotion leads to ego-inflation. The guru really starts to believe that they are perfect, even that they are divine. And it all ends in disaster - unethical behaviour, hierarchy, exploitation, psychological disorder. The best thing a spiritual teacher can do is to avoid guru worship. And the best thing a spiritual seeker can do is to avoid gurus.

Thank you, Steve, whoever you are. You have really hit the nail on the head. And thank you, Ananas, for bringing this insightful analysis to our attention.

PapajisaysNo, can you please let us know WHO exactly shot the heron? I think someone asked earlier, if the sangha has guns in Sahaja...Did someone from the sangha shoot?

The killing of a holy heron in Monte Sahaja ashram is very bad thing....



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Ananas,

Thank you for contributing. I am very interested to learn that you spent a few years in and around Monte Sahaja. I'm very glad to hear you are writing about your experiences. If you were able to find a mainstream publisher for your text- that would be amazing.

I know that the editor of Medium.com was looking for someone to write about Mooji a few months ago- this might be worth looking at. (Not that I can recommend medium.com or anyone else, for that matter. I don't actually know anything about Medium.com)

If you are a good writer, then someone will be interested in publishing your manuscript, as there is a lot of interest in cults in the general public sphere at the moment.

In the meantime, I hope you can share some of your experiences with us.

Thank you.