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Bhagwan Rajneesh Orgies
Posted by: SeekingTruth ()
Date: November 28, 2016 06:27PM

Fear Is The Master - the Bhagwan Rajneesh Tantra Cult

[www.youtube.com] (just less than 60 mins)

Background - there was a giant Tantra complex in Oregon in the early 1980's which became engulfed in scandal - the Rajneesh Ranch

The 1970's accounts of severe beatings in the commune in Poona in India are presumably true since we see 1980's beatings in the Oregon commune in the above documentary. There are accounts of mass orgies in the Indian commune in the 1970's of about 200 people at a time; all swapping partners several times during the sessions in an era with no HIV / Aids but numerous other STDs / STIs. And with little access to birth control, since this was in India, the inevitable resulted in thousands of children having no idea who their fathers were.

This 1 hour documentary re-hashes a lot of stuff about the commune in Oregon - but it also includes accounts of rapes / coerced sex, suicides, bogus marriages, financial wrong-doing, coerced sterilisation and abortion, under age sex (paedophilia), naked beatings, and big fights!

And the teachings from this cult still permeates the neo tantra scene in the UK, Europe, USA, Australia, and indeed the world. It is now a huge multi-media corporation operating under the Osho banner. But the exploitative and abusive communes still exist around the world including Pune (India), Humaniversity (Nederlands), Osholeela (Devon UK), etc., etc., etc.

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Re: Bhagwan Rajneesh Orgies
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: November 28, 2016 10:23PM

People active in discussing other human potential groups have mentioned
that the leaders had prior experience with Rajneesh in Pune before setting up
thier own franchises.

Put the name of your teacher into Google and put Rajneesh or Osho into the slot. See what comes up.

Search this message board too. Select all dates because CEI message board has been active for 14 years.

One example.

Michael Gottlieb (now deceased) -- 'The Ranch, aka Jacumba, aka Alliance for Desert Preservation)

[forum.culteducation.com]

The Osho/Rajneesh connection

[forum.culteducation.com]

[forum.culteducation.com]


Sociologists studying the club/rave scene in Ibiza report that Rajneesh/Osho
sanyassins have been quite involved there.

[forum.culteducation.com]



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Re: Bhagwan Rajneesh Orgies
Posted by: SeekingTruth ()
Date: November 29, 2016 10:34PM

Sadly the quality is very poor. However I see that there are many other documentaries about the Ranch on YouTube.

The many comments to these are from the usual bunch of misguided apologists who still revere the fraud as a god (small 'g').

BTW the naked group orgies sound like levels 7 / 8 of the Human Awareness Institute that used to be run in the UK. I only got to level 5 then saw the light that it was really a group sex cult.

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Re: Bhagwan Rajneesh Orgies
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: November 29, 2016 10:51PM

THere are two different discussions about the Human Awareness Institute (HAI) on this message board.

[forum.culteducation.com] (Thirty three pages long)

and

[forum.culteducation.com] (Six pages long)

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Re: Bhagwan Rajneesh Orgies
Posted by: Misstyk ()
Date: November 30, 2016 04:25AM

Is the Rajneesh cult tantric? Having group orgies doesn't necessarily mean tantric techniques are occurring. It was pretty clear from the film that that was not the case.

I found the film rather disturbing. How could anyone think that those groups sessions of various sorts were therapeutic? Why did people have to work 20 hrs./day? Was there some kind of group hypnosis going on? I can understand, in the case of young, naive, and idealistic people coming from an abusive background, falling in with something like that, but there were middle-aged professionals there, even a psychologist! And somehow (he's not sure how, apparently) the psychologist was moved to give away his home? Where did he think he would go after his stay at the Rajneesh community? Was he caught up in some kind of group enthusiasm, a rush of donating frenzy?

Some of it could be explained by the type of devotion that's encouraged, but that doesn't explain the newcomers, and highly educated and accomplished ones at that, who turn out to be so easily manipulated and gullible.

Is it just me, or can others see that R. is all about ego by simply looking at his face? He reminds me of Deepak Choprah; I've always thought he looked like a snake-in-the-grass, not trustworthy or kind at all. I wouldn't go near either of those people; they look like bad news simply by their facial features. I'd like to see more interviews and analysis by ex-followers like that psychologist.

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Re: Bhagwan Rajneesh Orgies
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: November 30, 2016 10:43AM

Utterly bizarre looking people have become venerated gurus.

[www.google.com]

[www.google.com]

Outside of kinky bondage scenarios or brutal interrogation set ups, being a guru is the only occupation in which you can make your disciples drink your foot bath water -- and they'll do so.

Andrew Cohen was mean as rattlesnake and made no attempt to hide that he was
mean. I went to one of his lectures and found the man chillingly terrifying. Danger radiated from him like vapor off of dry ice.

Yet his disciples showed no sign of being scared. In fact, Cohen slipped into the auditorium and stood to one side of the stage ten minutes before he was scheduled to appear.

The disciples were hungrily waiting, like dogs salivating outside a butcher shop.

Cohen was plainly visible to one side of the stage, yet none of the disciples noticed his presence. It was as though they had some sort of tunnel vision.

Perhaps there is some sort of trance effect in operation.



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Re: Bhagwan Rajneesh Orgies
Posted by: liminal ()
Date: January 07, 2017 12:01AM

Good series on the Rajneeshee commune [www.oregonlive.com]

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Editor's note: In a nearly unbelievable chapter of Oregon history, a guru from India gathered 2,000 followers to live on a remote eastern Oregon ranch. The dream collapsed 25 years ago amid attempted murders, criminal charges and deportations.

But the whole story was never made public. With first-ever access to government files, and some participants willing to talk for the first time, it's clear things were far worse than we realized.

Rajneesh put his own destructive spin on everything, including tantra. He was not an authentic source on anything other than on how to be a cult guru.

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Re: Bhagwan Rajneesh Orgies
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 07, 2017 11:41PM

Here is a clue to something collectible. Keep your eyes open.

Once had a long chat with a man who had had a series of job placements
as a first response specialist. He'd been given many patches from
people employed in various police and fire departments and had in turn
passed these on to others.

X claimed that a collector showed him a patch or badge identified a member of the guard for the Rajneeshi Antelope Valley facility.

If you possess or ever have a chance to obtain one of these, hang onto it, attach an ID label and keep it in a safe deposit box.

It is a unique bit of history.

(Glum)

Wonder what happened to the firearms that belonged to the Rajneeshi militia.

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Re: Bhagwan Rajneesh Orgies
Posted by: liminal ()
Date: January 08, 2017 10:46AM

About the guns:

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Weapons dealers across the country said the commune had bought at least 28 military-style semiautomatic weapons, including 13 Uzi carbines and 15 Galil assault rifles, since the fall of 1984. It also acquired at least one Remington Model 700 bolt-action rifle with a telescope sight.

Individual Rajneeshees bought at least 16 other weapons, though it wasn’t clear where they went or who eventually controlled them. The list included two more Uzi carbines, four Springfield M1A1 assault rifles, which are copies of the Colt AR-15, and six .357 Magnums.

[www.oregonlive.com]

I visited Rajneeshpuram in Oregon before it folded. Rajneesh on stage had two public guards with him, displaying weapons. I really should have walked out of the building as soon as I saw the weapons.

I am very fortunate. My sannyasin time was limited.

Because the experience was so stressful (little did I know the full extent of what was happening there), my memory of it still has a nightmare dream type quality. I do recall feeling sickened by Rajneesh's words. Sitting with so many people, all of us trancing out, while Rajneesh did a monotone rant, and while heavily armed guards patrolled .... I'm glad we survived. Things could have gone bad really fast.

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Rajneesh Osho - Not a Cute Hippie Guru - Cruel and Controlling
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 28, 2018 09:35AM

Outside the Limits of the Human Imagination
What the new documentary “Wild, Wild Country” doesn’t capture about the magnetism and evil of the Rajneesh cult

[newrepublic.com]

Some small excerpts here:

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In one of my earliest pieces, “Bhagwan’s Hypnotic Spell,” I recounted that counselors and researchers in the field of mind control and cults believed that Rajneesh was a master of various techniques of inducing altered states of consciousness, techniques that they said he and his assistants used to bind followers to him and his organization. Josh Baran, who ran a support organization in Berkeley called Sorting It Out for people who had left spiritual groups, was my first source on this subject. Baran told me he had learned that Rajneesh and his assistants were extremely skilled in a wide range of techniques for manipulating and controlling people, many of which derived from Eastern religions:

He is quite fluent in various altered states of consciousness, much more than other cult leaders I know of. His techniques include chanting, meditation, Sufi dancing, staring into lights for extended periods of time, and powerful music, all of which induce altered states of mind. What went on at his ashram in Pune was literally a smorgasbord of altered states of mind.

Hilly Zeitlin, a clinical social worker who was co-director of Options for Personal Transition in Berkeley, an organization dealing with cult involvement and related religious issues, said that Rajneesh had made a study of techniques of hypnotic induction used by cults, and told me that he believed Rajneesh to be a “one of the best hypnotists I have ever encountered. The way he uses language, his tone of voice, the way he sequences ideas ... all are essentially hypnotic.” He went on to say that “the art of hypnosis is the art of being vague, while pretending you are being profound,” an art that he thought Rajneesh practiced masterfully in his lectures to his disciples in Pune. “Rajneesh,“ he added, “can be even vaguer now by not saying anything at all.” Rajneesh had taken a “vow of silence” when he left India for the United States. “Now you can project onto him whatever you want to believe.”

Kathleen McLaughlin, an associate professor of religious studies at Lewis & Clark College in Portland, was at the University of Pune from 1977 to 1978 and went to hear Rajneesh lecture at his ashram on several occasions. She told me: “His use of language is wonderful. He is a hypnotic and beautiful speaker who is profoundly psychically connected to his audience. We have an immature understanding of spirituality in the West,” she contended, “and since we don’t believe in psychic phenomena, we are very vulnerable to them. In India it is understood that anybody who meditates can develop psychic powers—the notion is commonly held that there are such powers and that you can develop them if you want to.” McLaughlin said that Western, academically-trained intellectuals are “especially vulnerable to this because they have been trained to use their heads, but not their emotions, and these techniques bypass rational thought.”

Zeitlin asserted that the entire social system of the Rajneesh organization functioned to create hypnotic suggestibility in its members.
Zeitlin asserted that the entire social ystem of the Rajneesh organization functioned to create hypnotic suggestibility in its members. “There is an intense effort to break down normal ways by which people measure themselves, under the guise of going beyond or transcending the ego,” he said, “and all of this is done in hypnotically binding way. They overload the circuits of the conscious mind and then present you with the alternative of ‘inner consciousness.’ Meanwhile, dependence on the group has developed.” Zeitlin told me that he had found in his interviews with ex-Rajneehsees that they were “extremely psychologically regressed” and that their capacity to relate to others and articulate their feelings was “drastically reduced.”

“These techniques, by themselves, are not bad,” asserted Baran. “They are only bad when they are used to control and enfeeble people.” The problem was that Rajneesh and his assistants were using these techniques “to get people to become followers.”

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As reported by Krishna Deva, the ex-mayor of Rajneeshpuram who turned state’s evidence, Rajneesh was comparing himself to Hitler toward the end, stating that Hitler had been similarly misunderstood when he sought to create a “new man” (something Rajneesh also claimed to be doing). Rajneesh, like Asahara, had a medical facility in which deadly substances of various kinds were stockpiled, and were in instances actually deployed.

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n a 1978 issue of the German magazine Stern, a woman named Eva Renzi recounted her experiences in a Rajneesh encounter group. “In the room were eighteen people,” her account begins,

I only knew Jan, a fifty-year-old Dutchman. The leader sat down, after he had closed the thick sound-proofed door. Suddenly a woman hurled herself at another and screamed at her, “You make me sick. You are a vampire. I want to scratch your face, you filthy thing.” She beat her ... . Meanwhile two women and a young man had got up. The young man threw himself on a girl of about eighteen, and boxed her on the ears with the words: “You are a caricature of a Madonna. You think you’re better than us, don’t you. You are the worst person here.” And then, pointing at me, he said, “Together with you, you bitch. You’ve got it coming to you, too.” The girl’s nose was running with blood. She tried desperately to protect herself against the blows. Then the leader took charge: “You probably think that you have control over things. You have not even got control over yourself. You are under total control here.”

Renzi was assigned by the group leaders to spend the night with the Dutchman Jan. However, after eating dinner she went quickly to sleep. “Next day, I appeared for the group punctually,” she wrote.

I said a friendly “good morning,” and icy silence answered me. I sat down. The leader asked what had happened in the previous 24 hours. Then Jan sprang up, pulled me up, and began uninhibitedly beating me. “You whore,” he shouted, “you have humiliated me, you cursed woman, I’ll kill you.” I was horrified. My nose began to bleed. I shouted: “This is your problem, if your masculine pride is hurt.” He beat me further. He tore my blouse and threw me on the floor. Like someone possessed he sat on me, beat me with his fists on my head, choked my neck, and shouted: “Say the truth, you piece of filth.”

“What truth? Are you out of your mind, are you hypnotized?” I shouted. Suddenly he left me ... . I got up trembling, trying to stop my bleeding nose. “Is this a center for developing a crazy masculinity?” I asked. I thought the craziness had passed, and would go. Then first of all a man dived on me. “Exactly that,” he said. “What did you think we’re doing here?” Then two women grabbed me, and then the whole group.

“What happened next was like an evil dream,” Renzi continues. “‘Fight with us, you coward. Will you play holy in here, you whore?’ someone said. I fled from one corner to another. They punched, scratched, and kicked me, and pulled my hair. They tore my blouse and pants off my body. I was stark naked, and they were so surrendered to their madness, that I was filled with death-anxiety. My one thought: to stay conscious. I screamed: ‘Let me go. I want to get out of here.’ At a signal from the leader they let me go.”

Renzi concluded her account for the German public of her experience of Rajneesh group therapy techniques by saying: “This craziness garnished with sadism, this fanaticism with world-beating claims, had I not already heard it somewhere before?”

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