The BIGr SecretThe Rick Ross Message Board Thread THEY Do Not Want You to Read!!!
Its titled 'Manipulating the Room's Environment'
I am still trying to sort this out, but it might be useful to break this down into an analogy..see a group as similar to a computer--the applications part (MS word, browsers), the operating systems portion (MS DOS), and the hardware (your PC, Mac or laptop).
*applications/software (verbal content/'brain candy'--distraction from:)
*the operating sytem (social set up, lack of informed consent, use of trusted friendship networks as referrals, disavowal of ethos of care by powerholder, requirement that participants sign away rights as citizens to sue for damages, lack of informed consent for subjects)
Features of the Operating system can vary a little bit. Some groups or teachers might set it up to panic people into fearing not enough seats are available, then when folks are in a state of unenlightened craving, suddenly reassure them that some seats have become available, after all. This alternation between anxiety and relief can be quite tiring for some. And, your average New Ager can be made to feel guilty for getting hetzed up by a seat shortage...especially when the serene teacher shows up. Other gurus do it by keeping people waiting. Joyce Collin Smith in her book Call No Man Master, had to wait a long time, and while fasting, carrying a handful of fruit and a handkerchief, before Maharishi finally kept the appointment, showed up and intiated her into his system. Later analysts have made a case that the intiation into TM was trance induction, btw (C)
The hardware of a computer. (LGAT room set up, which trolls didnt want us to know about, sleep deprivation)
Anticult refers to the brain candy
--the verbal content that dazzles people, gets the brain curious--and can be used to distract us from the more covert but much more powerful working elements of the brew. The brain candy part can derive from any belief system on the planet, even from honorable and ancient sources, that when NOT packaged in LGAT materials, have helped people.
The 'application'---the distracting verbal content, the mind candy--varies from group to group. (An application is like Excel or MS Word)
But the HARDWARE--room set up, the covert methods used to throw the body off balance, use of sleep deprivation, etc, elimination of outside distraction.
****Now, there is one feature of the brain candy that does slide us right into a groups Operating System.
If you buy into any version of 'You make your own reality', this undercuts the philosophical foundation for what is termed the powerholder's 'ethos of care'--that someone who has power is responsible for its skilled and benevolent use, in relation to those who have less power.
Very few who are thrilled by the brain candy of 'you make your own reality' realize that this leaves them totally unprotected in relation to the folks teaching this solipsistic stance.
Two...to complicate matters, you dont have to be in someone's indoctrintation chamber to get exposed to versions of you-make-your-own-reality.' It floats around in the culture and I think it makes many people
susceptible to indoctrination--the way getting tired and malnourished can make you more likely to get a virulent case of the flu if you encounter the virus. Someone who doesnt buy into any version of that you make your own reality shit may either never attend an LGAT at all, or see a guru at all, or might leave, that much earlier on.
But once someone passes the threshold of an LGAT and signs that paperwork..they are involved with something, the workings of which they are not allowed to know, or make an informed decision about, while still well rested enough to do so.
The OPERATING SYSTEM is the convert social psychology and lack of professionalism and lack of any legal accountability or ethos of care. The OPERATING SYSTEM of all these groups is--pretending to teach that you are responsible for everything your life, because you make your own reality, while the group, covertly disavows resposnsibility for your welfare while you are using thier methods and in thier rooms. Part of this Operating Sytem is for you to sign away your right to seek damages through mediation or litigation and the group is unlicensed so it has no legal accountablity as licensed professionals do. Part of the OPERATING SYSTEM is these groups in practice, disavow what medical and mental health professionals call 'ethos of care.'
The guts of the Operating System, the MS DOS or Linux or OS of a cult or LGAT lies in accountablity-how it shifts from the actual sorce of power and social influence down onto the shoulders of the subjects.
The powerholders talk about 'becoming responsible for your life' but the LGAT powerholder never clearly acknowledges responsiblity for his or her group's use of social influence. In practice, the LGAT shifts responsibility for any mishap onto the shoulders of their subjects. And this happens, when
1) subjects are not allowed to know in advance what the group experience consists of and
2) they sign away their right to sue for damages in case they feel they have been harmed. No physician or mental health professional in good standing requires any patient or client to sign away these rights.
(In academia and medical research a proposed experiment has to pass review by a human subjects/ethics committee. There's accountablity. LGATs dont have to pass review by an outside human subjects or ethics committee)
We are used to talking about the software, the 'brain candy' the verbal content of these toxic belief systems. But this can distract us from looking at where the action is--the operating system and the hardware.
To sum up, the Operating System of a cultic or high demand group is that responsibility does not remain with the powerholder but is covertly shifted onto the subject, right when the subject's critical thinking capacities are disabled.
And, IMO, a big part of where critical thinking is disrupted is through the confusion induced by the verbal 'brain candy' and by the impact of the groups HARDWARE ----the room set up and sleep deprivation.
(Note that the trolls who showed up on the room environment thread jeered that we were letting our personal beliefs limit us if we contended that sufficient sleep was vital. LGAT trolls love to try to shame us, suggesting we are weak, if we insist on what human beings need to be fully functional.)
And this is a valuable method of analysis.
Software (verbal content) can change greatly from group to group, just the way you see frequent upgrades of browsers or Word processing applications. As Anticult put it, the brain candy can be derived from any belief system.
The Operating System changes more slowly
And there are way fewer changes made over the years to hardware.
So, look past the verbal content and look much more closely at the:
Operating System (disavowing the ethos of care, lack of informed consent, lack of accountability through licensure for use of powerful methods of social influence, requiring participants to sign away their rights as citizens to sue for damages)
and study the Hardware
Room arrangements, sleep deprivation, and in some cases, diet.
Its not hard to get people sleep deprived. They are learning many Americans dont get the recommended 7 to 8 hours of sleep a night, anyhow.
Two, all one has to do is assign homework after the group ajourns for the evening and if someone is obedient enough to stay up and do the homework and possibly has to commute from the LGAT to his or her home,
that may leave too few hours for sufficient sleep before one returns to the next session of the LGAT the following day.
So, speaking for myself, as Corboy, I will say that any teaching, no matter how accurately it is quoted and no matter how ancient and honorable its source will become corrupt as soon as it is combined and delivered using an LGAT operating system and hardware as discussed above.
If anyone tells you to sign away your rights as a citizen, will not tell you what the weekend consists of, or turns out to have lied, wont promise you confidentiality via signed paperwork, with a copy for your personal file, and if you find out you are not allowed to get 7 to 8 hours of sleep and see a room set up and have weirdoes cleaning up after you in the ways Drew Kopp described...either dont go in or....
get out, dont look back, and demand an refund.
----Implications for Recovery?----------------
It may be that many persons sincerely trying to recover have great difficulty because they think the belief system is the only ingredient that
messed them up--and they may discount other elements that had as great or more profound an effect.
If a seemingly 'Hindu' guru covertly learned LGAT methods from an American buddy who was an LGAT entrepreneur and slipped American style LGAT tech into and under the cover of gorgeous, glittering brocade adorned
chanting and guru theatre, his or her followers may not realize that in addition to the dysfunctions of that guru's interpretation of Hinduism and the guru student role--they may have lingering poisoning from the LGAT
tech that their guru used---and never told them about.
At least if someone knows they went and did LGAT X, they can go right to RR.com and look up LGAT X and quickly find former members who can validate their experiences and share recovery resource info.
But what if you think you got poisoned by bad Hinduism and dont know that part of the poison was derived from an American source--yank style LGAT
Many former members of an overt Hindu/covert LGAT group may be berating themselves as weak of will for having such difficulty recovering, when they may not know because it was hidden from them, that thier ur-guru, Muktandanda, learned something and applied something from Werner Erhard during the glory days of EST.
So much for people getting entangled in SY because 'that was what they wanted.'
How can you want something when its ingredients are hidden from you by the guru who was the founder?
What if you thought you wanted the gurus grace of Baba Muktananda and covertly were getting the tech of Est?
How can anyone give informed consent to THAT?
How can people want from a group or guru, what they were not told that guru was giving?
Rather than face the utter and nauseating horror of betrayal, its so much easier to cling to 'you make your own reality' and 'You guys got from the guru what you wanted.'
We are damned vulnerable in human relations, even the brightest of us.
And it is painful as hell to endure the gut-shudder of facing that--that to an astounding degree even the brightest of us have so little control over whether someone we trust and who sends us into the most intimate ecstacy...has been lying to us and triggering that ecstacy using standardized techniques learned from an American buddy of his.
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 07/01/2008 09:49PM by corboy.