I see a great mind teaser here.

How can you love what is and become famous and market yourself year after year?

One does not remain in the public eye unless one works ones heinie off to REMAIN there.

If you have a sense of mission and want everyone to do your program, that means you are discontented with how things are and are driven, thus you are not satisfied with or love what 'is'.

If you do 'love what is' you will be content to be an obscure citizen, content to cultivate your own little garden and modest circle of friends.

Only someone who is not satisfied with what is, would go to the trouble and EFFORT
to market him or herself and put out the following three books which present different
versions of that same persons narrative

*A Cry in the Desert

* Losing the Moon

* Loving What Is

BK did not always get advice from a cockroach.

A different version of her public narrative is given in the Cry in the Desert book, discussed here.

[forum.culteducation.com]

More discussions of the books here

Data on Christin Weber

[www.google.com]

Yes, there is an avalanche of evidence (besides even that point you brought up, Corboy), that Byron Katie does NOT actually "love what is."



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For fun, here is a quoted material from one persons overview of self help books someone on Amazon com.

the person wrote:

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5.0 out of 5 stars Dr. Phil and Byron Katie must have read this book, January 9, 2009

This review is from: Reality Therapy: A New Approach to Psychiatry (Colophon Books) (Paperback)

This book was first written in 1965!! I just happened to read it this year, after having read many books by the new wave of authors such as Eckart Tolle, Byron Katie, and of course Dr. Phil.

I was amazed at the fact that everything he states in this 40 year old book was said in the current crop of books by the above authors. Amazing!

Now I know where Dr. Phil, Byron Katie, and Eckart Tolle got their ideas from.

To sum it all up. GET REAL, ACCEPT LIFE AS IT IS, AND DO!

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"GET REAL, ACCEPT LIFE AS IT IS, AND DO!"

That teaching goes WAY further back... It was a foundational tenet of Buddha, for example.

Too bad BK and ET don't just stop there, with that one teaching.

For an example of what actual Buddhist teaching looks like, read this--it spells out the difference between Gratitude and Gratification.

Marketing is designed to massage craving for gratification.

Real Buddhist teaching assists us to apply insight to the process of craving.

Now if someone comes along and says, but this is all about experience, one mustnt
get trapped in intellect or reduce Buddhism to intellect--show em the door.

Am offering this as a way to assist people to see what a difference there is between commercialized stuff where people name drop Buddhism and have Buddhist art in the background or on their websites.

The author of this website isnt selling anything and the only thing she gets is a bit of appreciation now and then--and one hell of a lot of flack and aggravation when people dislike what she writes.

Ive listened to a good number of Dharma lectures and the best teachers go to a great deal of trouble to define terms and trace the root meaning of words--just as done here.

Its a lot more than 'be here now'.

Gratitude vs Gratification-a little Pali exercise
2009/12/24
by NellaLou

[enlightenmentward.wordpress.com]

Unfortunately, that person makes the typical error of only looking at the superficial ADVERTISING by Byron Katie, and taking it at face value.
In fact, Reality Therapy by William Glaser is the opposite to Byron Katie. In Reality Therapy, you problem-solve new behaviors.

Byron Katie is about installing delusions in people, and denying reality, and losing the moon of reality.
Byron Katie gets people to dissociate from reality, and become passive flowers, enmeshed in magical thinking, and for some people they can become delusional to a greater or lesser degree, while being bilked of thousands of dollars over the internet and in LGAT seminars.

Its a very serious problem that so much of the public cannot seem to see behind the most superficial marketing and bait-&-switch of the Byron Katie type Gurus.

That must be why the Byron Katie type of New Wage Gurus make millions of dollars a month in personal income, of course shielded and controlled in their many corporations and foundations.

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corboy
For fun, here is a quoted material from one persons overview of self help books someone on Amazon com.

the person wrote:

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5.0 out of 5 stars Dr. Phil and Byron Katie must have read this book, January 9, 2009

This review is from: Reality Therapy: A New Approach to Psychiatry (Colophon Books) (Paperback)

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This is not an endorsement of Reality Therapy...
....but just look how its the opposite to Byron Katie.
Byron Katie is the great disconnector, she wants to disconnect you from your family, your mind, even your sense of self and reality itself, and most importantly, disconnect you from your money.

And the main difference of Reality Therapy, is that RT is probably not a front for a New Age cultic group around "the center of the New Age" like Byron Katie, who keeps a large photo of herself on an altar in her own living room.


[www.wglasser.com]
"Help them make specific, workable plans to reconnect with the people they need, and then follow through on what was planned by helping them evaluate their progress. Based on their experience, counselors may suggest plans, but should not give the message that there is only one plan. A plan is always open to revision or rejection by the counselee.

Be patient and supportive but keep focusing on the source of the problem - the disconnectedness. Counselees who have been disconnected for a long time will find it difficult to reconnect."

As far as Reality Therapy, there is some very harsh criticism of aspects of it at Amazon.

[www.amazon.com]

A cross-post:

[[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,67778,86661#msg-86661]Participant Report re Byron Katie's Turnaround House[/url]]

It seems that Byron Katie wants you to question away your story, or stories. Today I read something opposite to that:

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Jacqui Banaszynski, Knight Chair in Journalism, University of Missouri:
I asked Tomas Alex Tizon, who used to work with me at the Seattle Times, why human beings need stories, and he replied:


"Thank God for stories--for those who have them for those who tell them, for those who devour them as the soul sustenance that they are. Stories give shape to experience and allow us to go through life unblind. Without them, everything that happens would float around, undifferentiated. None of it would mean anything. Once you have a version of what happened, all the other good stuff about being human comes into play. You can laugh, feel awe, commit a passionate act, get pissed, want to change things."

Above quote is from the chapter "Stories Matter," by Jacqui Banaszynski, in the book Telling True Stories: A Nonfiction Writers' Guide from the NIeman Foundation at Harvard University edited by Mark Kramer and Wendy Call.



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