Of course, if a person is not functioning, then a good psychologist or psychiatrist would have to assess them, to try and find out what is happening.
But as far as LGAT's, the reports of damage are extreme and pervasive. People experience psychosis, depression, decompensation, mania, psychotic breaks, dissociation, delusion, and suicide. Many people end up in emergency wards and psych-hospitals.
There is a recent report of the mass decompensation happening at a recent Byron Katie School LGAT seminar, and it was being encouraged and rewarded by the leader. [guruphiliac.lefora.com
This has been reported for many years in LGAT's, and this is why the LGAT's, like Byron Katie, have that massive RELEASE OF LIABILITY that includes severe damage to the client [forum.culteducation.com
All LGAT's have known about the serious damage to people for decades in the LGAT business.
Even in that other thread, suicide was brought up, without asking about it. People in the LGAT's know about the suicides, its been mentioned in the thread before.
John Wayne Dulaney [forum.culteducation.com
Just looking at the text below, it does remind one of a few things.
The first, is the detachment.
When people start doing The BK Work for a long period of time, their responses become very robotic and emotionally detached. That was mentioned in the report above. [guruphiliac.lefora.com
But anyone can see online, the extreme detachment from normal human emotion in the writings of those into the BK work, and even those trying to get OUT of it!
There is a quote in this thread of one person feeling completely detached from their own baby, after the Byron Katie LGAT seminar.
QUOTE: "When I returned home the strange continued. I felt no more connected to my adorable toddler than my china, and nearly passed out when I realized this." [forum.culteducation.com
What it also reminds one of, exactly, is the Byron Katie persona.
This person attended several LGAT courses, 4 days is still a serious LGAT, as they all connect. One assumes she did the BK Hotline, coaching, worksheets, DVD's, YouTube, CD's, and many other things. Its an all-consuming mass of material, people get hooked, and they go deeper and deeper into it, by design, as explained in this thread.
Byron Katie performs like she is a type of "idiot savant", which is actually on the autism spectrum. (they now call it Savant Syndrome).
It is very clearly a "stage performance" with Byron Katie, partially based on the novel Nog, and the Byron Katie book, Nog's Quest.
Nog's Quest [forum.culteducation.com
But, she uses detached, depersonalized language like...the body did _____...the body is hungry....the body was raped....(can others help with examples of those detached language patterns?).
She also gets into detached language around the self-concept, other people, etc.
But Byron Katie gets to the point in her books/CD's, where she says she was literally watching a man have a stroke and "die", and felt nothing. (that appears to be a concocted story, by the way...as it changed from an earlier book).
But she presents herself as being totally detached from her family, from everything. (she isn't really, as anyone can see by her lifestyle, facelifts, vanity, ego, etc).
But, if a person REALLY bought into the byron katie system 100%, and had some vulnerabilities, and did hundreds of BK worksheets all day long, and all of the online coaching stuff, its going to have a terrible effect. There are reports online of some doing it, and recording what was happening, and they were getting severe headaches, very irritable, not sleeping, etc.
Doing all of those Turnarounds, is like a meat-grinder for the mind.
And the basic philosophy BK professes is Solipsism, which puts people in mental hospitals, if you really believe it.
If a person detaches from all their thoughts all day, and their Self-concept, and everything else, and put their thoughts through the meat-grinder Turnarounds, there may come a time when the person actually Dissociates, and disconnects from objective reality. (BK encourages this!)
And if they have listened to hundreds of hours of BK recordings, and how she claims to have detached from everything, including her family, and everything else, a person could start to mimic that, until it takes on a life of its own.
If a person applies basic common psychological sense to the BK system, if a vulnerable person did what they were told, in the Questions and Turnarounds, hundreds of times, seminars, audio, video, books, they literally would detach from reality.
The suppressed BK book, Losing The Moon, is about that exact subject, and is discussed in detail in this thread. that book is about losing your identity, and literally losing reality.
When these ideas are taken all the way, a person could get to the point where they literally, not figuratively, could not see the moon in the sky. Its a type of induced psychosis, for those unlucky to have that vulnerability.
Mania can be EASILY induced in LGAT's, it happens to many people at every LGAT. Its not hard to induce a manic episode in people at an LGAT.
So inducing a detached, dissociated state, is actually the GOAL of the Byron Katie system. That is the state of mind, BK claims to be in.
So its not just the LGAT, its the coaching, the worksheets, the constant warping of thought.
If one looks at the definitions of "autism"
"autism ((psychiatry) an abnormal absorption with the self; marked by communication disorders and short attention span and inability to treat others as people)"
If one just looks at the behavioral description of austistic behavior, it sounds exactly what Byron Katie is trying to induce in people.
- abnormal absorption with the self (solipsism, self-turnaround, etc)
- inability to treat others as people (pathological detachment from people)
- communication disorders (filtering all thought the the questions, and BK work)
So obviously, none of that is about inducing autism, as that is biological. But, the human brain is very plastic, and hammering it with hundreds of techniques to induce a detached state, is what Byron Katie does, that's what its all about. It does have many similarities to the descriptions of the autistic state. As had been said all along, its very dangerous, and people are getting hurt.
And they don't care.
they are detached from caring what happens to people, but are not detached from forcing you to sign the RELEASE OF LIABILITY [forum.culteducation.com
In my profession, I know a woman who after being involved with the Work for a year (several four day courses, not the nine day seminars) changed from a warm, emotional person into some state close to autism.
It is impossible now to have any meaningful conversation with her. She is only capable of describing facts, this and that happened or was said, without being able to give any interpretation. And I mean no interpretation al all.
The most remarkable thing is, she lost all ability to understand symbolical language, metaphors. She doesn't get the meaning of a two layerd story. She cannot even associate a feeling with a painting she made, she can not imagine anything that is not right there and then. She could before she entered the work.
Everything has to be spelled out literally or is understood that way. Of course this affects her marriage, as she is not able to relate to her husband's feelings unless he spells it out in a way he would do to a preschooler.
I know LGAT techniques affect the rational mind. I don't understand how they affect this parts of imaginative brain though.
Maybe someone can shed some light on this.