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helpme2timesA year or so ago, "Dr." Joe Vitale wrote an immensely popular article that caused many to run out and take weekend courses in an "updated" version of a traditional Hawaiian healing ceremony known as Ho'oponopono.Quote
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Anticult the last post hits the spot straight away for me, could not have done that better myself.
Joe Vitale, he promotes the `Dr Len` and `Hoponopono` story which is mind control and can be found on the Huna/life coaching sites and is supposed to be about Psychic moments and criminal insanity patients. Alot of NLP companies here in the UK sell Huna courses as an advanced form of NLP.
This is the article that kicked off the Ho'oponopono craze:
"The World's Most Unusual Therapist"
Joe's article alleges that a practitioner of "updated" Ho'oponopono, Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len, was able to miraculously cure an entire ward of criminally insane patients. Following the popularity of the article, Dr. Len and Joe Vitale co-authored a book about the process: Zero Limits: The Secret Hawaiian System for Wealth, Health, Peace, and More.
At least one source suggests that Dr. Len and Joe Vitale's version of Ho'oponopono is cult-y:
Is "Zero Limits" a Cult?
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The Anticult
Lets give Steven Sashen a nice thumbs-up when he makes a good blog posting at the Anti-Guru Blog.
"Develop a New Habit? Give me 21 days, and I’ll give you… three weeks"
[sashen.com]
And he even offers a $100 reward! Good stuff!
Steven Sashen is talking some good stuff about fish and flies, the Emoto water crystals scam, and Quantum Physics...and he concludes the blog with "Got any others?"
Yeah I do actually...How about changing a few words in The Steven Sashen $100 Challenge from the blog...
"If someone can give me a respected, published scientific study (that can’t be effortlessly debunked because of bad or no control groups, too small a sample size, or other obviously stupid study design... {like it being conducted by the company who makes millions from it, or their friends-associates! -editor}
...that demonstrates the proof of the "Byron Katie The Work" technology, I’ll give you $100!"
Why not? See below, Byron Katie International, and his own blog make a lot of very serious claims...
"Eliminate stress: Live without anxiety or fear"
"Eliminate depression: See perfection in situations that were once debilitating"
Eliminating Stress and Eliminating Depression is worth more than $100. Maybe $100 Billion.
But this is 100% serious.
Where is the proof, as he reasonably defines it himself? All we need are those studies measuring effects on stress and depression, that have been published in peer-reviewed journals
...like the "325 studies involving 465 specific comparisons" for Cognitive Therapy at the Beck Institute.
[www.beckinstitute.org]
(search their website for OUTCOME RESEARCH, their links never work).
Could someone let Steven Sashen know about him posting this new $100 Challenge on his blog, or responding to it here? Someone could post a link there to give him a heads up?
Does it not seem logical, fair, and completely reasonable?
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(excerpts from recent webpages)
[www.sashen.com]
"don't be fooled by the seeming simplicity of The Work. When you do it, you get un-done!"
...
"Who would you be without your story?"
"The Work is deceptively simple, yet infinitely profound. By investigating your stressful thoughts you discover the true cause of your unhappiness, stress or suffering. And from that discovery, the effortless, natural and sometimes instantaneous move to clarity and peace can occur.
The Work is not a teaching or a philosophy and, therefore, does not maintain the idea that any issue in your life is a problem that needs to be fixed. Yet when you hold The Work up to any troubling issue -- physical, mental, emotional, spiritual -- it can never be the same.
I am a former Curriculum Director for The School for The Work of Byron Katie and taught with Katie at the school."
...
"Experience the deceptively simple, yet infinitely profound, self-inquiry process known as The Work of Byron Katie.
Identify and break through limiting beliefs.
Meet your most persistent fears with understanding.
Free yourself from stress, resentment and unhappiness.
Unravel problems with health, relationships, work, money, and anything else that brings you pain.
In this profound weekend you'll explore exercises developed for and taught at Byron Katie's 10-day School for The Work, deepen the effect of the 4 Questions in your life, and rest in the wordless answer to "Who would you be without your story?
In addition, you'll explore "The Work in Movement" and "Quantum Work" (where, instead of you investigating your problems, your problems investigate you!). People who have done Quantum Work have said, "The Work is like turning on a light in a dark room... Quantum Work is like turning on floodlights!" and "I think this is the only way people should do The Work."
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(CLAIMS for The Work from the official Byron Katie website as of March 4, 2008)
What is The Work?
The Work is a simple yet powerful process of inquiry that teaches you to identify and question the stressful thoughts that cause all the suffering in the world. It's a way to understand what's hurting you, a way to end all your stress and suffering.
People who do The Work faithfully report life-changing results.
Eliminate stress: Live without anxiety or fear
Improve relationships: Have a new sense of connection and intimacy with your husband or wife, your parents, your children, and with yourself
Reduce anger: Get angry less often and less intensely, and eventually not at all
Eliminate depression: See perfection in situations that were once debilitating
Clarity: Act more intelligently and effectively
Energy: Experience a new sense of vigor and well-being
Peace: Learn how to love what is, and find lasting inner peace
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al3r
I am currently reading Loving What Is by Byron Katie.
I thought the first part of the book was pretty boring and basic, but it's getting better the more I read. So far, I did like one thing she said very much. It was. IF you put your hand in a fire, does anyone have to tell you to move it?
We are capable to move away from the flame and into the Truth and Light without any outside force telling us- ie, a guru, or a organized religion, or a political party. I liked that. As the bible teaches that the Holy Spirit INSIDE us guides us, not somebody preaching at us.
When we all stop expecting organized religion to give us the answers as to what the bible means and as the holy spirit for ourselves, I believe only then can we stop all this nonsense about only one church being the "true" church. Peace out.
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The Anticult
I just want to drop one small Knowledge-Bomb into this to balance things out a bit. It seems that everything about this is extremely negative, and it is, its important to look at the facts.
BUT, negation won't get us anywhere by itself. There are countless wonderful things to explore, that are legit.
For example, saw a documentary the other week about some contemporary artists...that is asking the same questions about "reality' but doing so in an intelligent way, and its FREE to think, you don't need an LGAT to let some crackpot wreck your mind, go to a current art show and expand your mind for $5, and that will be 1000x more enlightening.
There are real psychologists out there (like Martin Seligman), real philosophers and Thinkers.
Steven Pinker has a great new book out called "The Stuff of Thought", wonderful stuff. So there is lots of great stuff out there, that is wonderful and legit, and that is what leads to happiness and meaning.
No one needs to get tricked and trapped into Byron Katies nihilism, amorality, false-ideas, deception, manipulation and antiscience. Its deadly stuff...its a type of violent mind-destruction to create passivity and depression in the subjects...
Its VERY important to balance out and detox the BK mind-poison, every 30 minutes spent analyzing Byron Katie, gets off-set 2:1 by exposure to some high-quality, excellent food for the mind and soul, to grow one's Knowledge and ones character.
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al3r
I am currently reading Loving What Is by Byron Katie.
I thought the first part of the book was pretty boring and basic, but it's getting better the more I read. So far, I did like one thing she said very much. It was. IF you put your hand in a fire, does anyone have to tell you to move it?
We are capable to move away from the flame and into the Truth and Light without any outside force telling us- ie, a guru, or a organized religion, or a political party. I liked that. As the bible teaches that the Holy Spirit INSIDE us guides us, not somebody preaching at us.
When we all stop expecting organized religion to give us the answers as to what the bible means and as the holy spirit for ourselves, I believe only then can we stop all this nonsense about only one church being the "true" church. Peace out.
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The Shadow
--i was wondering when jj52 would return....??
~~Shad
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helpme2times
Remember that video where Katie is counseling the woman who is afraid of war? Well, there are actually three videos covering the entire dialogue. I just watched Part 2 - "I'm Afraid of War".
Actually I didn't make it through the whole video. It bothered me so much, I had to stop watching. I could barely believe what I was hearing.
I went back and transcribed the part where BK lost me. This is what Byron Katie actually says to the woman re her possibly experiencing war again:
"The sirens could go off and you might think, 'Hmmm, interesting sound. I don't have the room that I thought I'd have.' As an intelligent human being, what can I do from right here, right now? And if nothing comes to you to do, you might just ask yourself again, 'I'm afraid of war, is it true?' And notice that you're still intact, the flower's still fine. And if the bomb blows your leg off, you can get very excited. It's like, how do I know I'm not supposed to have that leg anymore? It's gone. And immediately move into why you are better off without it. I know you can do this because your mind is very busy creating what you can't do when the leg's blown off. That is proof of your capacity to understand, to create. You're creating the world in the moment of what you will no longer be able to do. Not very exciting. But it's very exciting to just sit in, 'My leg is gone and what could be better than two legs?' Obviously, life with one leg. And all of the examples of why your life would be better."