Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: Meadow ()
Date: January 18, 2010 11:35PM

From BK's latest teleconference with her facilitators: "Doing the work with a client is just like following the yellow brick road..."

Does that make her the Wizard of Oz, or the Wicked Witch of the West?

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: Meadow ()
Date: January 26, 2010 06:42AM

BK's latest twitter entrance:

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There’s such abundance here, now, always. There’s a table. There’s a floor. There’s a rug on the floor. There’s a window. There’s a sky.
... and there's an earthquite in Haiti with over 200.000 dead and more than a million people who lost their homes and everything they own. But of course that isn't part of her 'here and now'. Yet she proudly posts on her weblog that she donated money. Why does the world need to know that? So they can all see how great she is? I wonder how she would explain to the people in Haiti that all suffering starts with a thought and is all in a story, and if they would only do the work, their suffering would end???

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: Penelope ()
Date: January 26, 2010 09:10AM

I can imagine the advice she and her fellow enlightened new age teachers would give to the Haitian victims:

Byron Katie -become a vase of flowers

Rhonda Byne - stop attracting earthquakes!

Eckhart Tolle - you are way too attached to form, stop being so egotistical

Neale Donald Walsh - there are no victims

Abraham-Hicks - let them eat cake

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: helpme2times ()
Date: January 26, 2010 09:18AM

LOL Penelope!!

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Byron Katie (the Work) solipsism, Follow the yellow brick road?
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: January 26, 2010 05:06PM

to follow up on the last few posts...

@ scrambledeggs
yes, all of these LGAT groups like Byron Katie, and many others, have a program or a system like the BK "certification", they just call it something else, like a franchise. They tell them, take these seminars for 2 years that cost 25K-100K and more, and then you are going to make lots of money! In fact 99% of the people make almost zero money from it, as its always a flawed system, where the profit gets scooped up by the Guru.
This is why long-time BK facilitators are making blog posts about their massive credit card debt.
In reality, those folks are just very high-ticket customers of the Guru.
The fact the business promoted by the guru fails, is by design. Its like an MLM. [www.skepdic.com]


@ Meadow
Follow the yellow brick road? To the land of illusion created by Byron Katie.
BK can't be the great Oz though, even though Oz was a fake, a little man behind the curtain spinning illusions. In the end Oz was a kindly old man, certainly that is not Byron Katie.
And just like the wicked witch of the west, the entire Byron Katie system can be dissolved and cleansed with a pail of the cold water of reality. Its an illusion.

Byron Katies Twitter postings have gotten much worse. She is trying to push people into solipsism, which creates trance-states and dissociation, where the person starts to believe they are the center of the universe. Very sick and damaging stuff.
twitter.com/ByronKatie [twitter.com]



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Byron Katie stole “The Inner Work” of Ken Keyes
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: January 27, 2010 03:52PM

Below is a cross-post from a blog that appears to have deleted its text, but kept the comments, which are mainly BK apologetics.
Its amazing how some of those who seem to be into Nondualism willfully blind themselves to the MOUNTAIN of hard facts and evidence that is right in front of their eyes about Byron Katies covert persuasion, manipulation and LGAT seminar tactics. Its as if they are poking their own eyes out with their fingers, and then saying they can't see anything.

Inattentional Blindness. [en.wikipedia.org]
QUOTE: "Inattentional blindness...is the phenomenon of not being able to perceive things that are in plain sight. This can be a result of having no internal frame of reference to perceive the unseen objects, or it can be the result of the mental focus or attention which cause mental distractions."

Because most of the Nondual believers have no training or knowledge of the "objects", (processes, methods, and tactics) of covert group persuasion, they literally cannot even perceive them. On top of that, their mental focus is completely absorbed in the alleged Nondual "content" and 4 Questions being put forward by Byron Katie.

So their conscious mind is totally occupied on the Nondual content, and their lack of awareness of the other unconscious processes being used on them, means they literally can't perceive what is there in plain-sight.
To get out of that rut, you have to temporarily IGNORE the content, ignore the nondual philosophies, and try to spot the persuasion processes being used. Talk about enlightenment, with some awareness and training, once a person can see these thing being done to people, a light does go on.
Its like how a fellow magician looks at a fellow magician's act, he sees how the magic trick is done. But to the general public with no experience in magic, they only see illusion and magic. But another magician sees the misdirection, and looks away from it, to spot what is really going on.



But there is an interesting comment at the bottom, which is archived below.

[dhammaleaves.wordpress.com]
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jamo says:
December 22, 2009 at 12:57 am
[...] That being said Byron is a fraud. She stole the work from Ken Keyes. It is called “The Inner Work” of Ken keyes. His books contain virtually everything she ever did or does on stage. There are people who knew her and at the time of her supposed awakening and say it was all made up. She was reading all his books in the half-way house and there after from reports from people who were there.

[...]But the credit is Ken Keyes’. He was the brilliant one who figured it out and she is violating his copywrites. She should cease immediately.

The work will not lead you to liberation/enlightenment. From some of the things she has done, it is clear Katie is not enlightened, and yes she gets angry…reportedly all the time.

Despite working her staff and facilatators to death with “the work” (I’m talking thousands and thousands of hours of doing the work) they are not like her, meaning, nobody has graduated. She is unique in her ability to put up a front. She makes her fascilitors do tons of work on themselves and go through a rigorous evaluation process where they are judged and criticised in public for wanting approval, for example. But she is never open for criticism. She says she is, but if you do you are shunned. And the facilitator’s license expires after only 3 years after which they have to go through the nightmare again. If she trusted her process, why would she require them to do so much work non-stop? But the very rich ones don’t have too. They are certified automatically according to reports.

She says she does all this stuff with the money, but a large percentage of all of that is run by volunteers. Nobody knows where the millions she takes in each year goes. No one knows. She refuses to dislose

For more info, google “Janaki Byron Katie”
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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: Meadow ()
Date: January 27, 2010 05:20PM

And here is the next twitter:

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You don’t experience anxiety unless you’ve attached to a thought that isn’t true for you. It’s that simple

In the light of what just happened, and is still happening in Haiti, this is an outrage, especially coming from someone who is raking in the millions, and living in a Hollywood-like estate. How anyone could come out in public with a statement like this, is beyond me. This can only mean that this person is totally blinded by arrogance.

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: Penelope ()
Date: January 27, 2010 05:59PM

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Meadow
And here is the next twitter:

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You don’t experience anxiety unless you’ve attached to a thought that isn’t true for you. It’s that simple

In the light of what just happened, and is still happening in Haiti, this is an outrage, especially coming from someone who is raking in the millions, and living in a Hollywood-like estate. How anyone could come out in public with a statement like this, is beyond me. This can only mean that this person is totally blinded by arrogance.


And what makes Katie an authority on anxiety? (Or anything for that matter??)

I find it strange that Katie would send money to Haiti, isn't that acknowledging that something is wrong and needs to be fixed? That doesn't sound like her 'loving what is' crap.

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: Hope ()
Date: January 28, 2010 11:49PM

But it makes her look good. Good for business.

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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by: Pilot ()
Date: February 03, 2010 05:00AM

Am I behind the times or do you all know that Janaki's blog has been deleted? I was just about to link it for a friend of mine who asked if I had ever heard of Byron Katie (!!) and it is GONE! I don't see it linked on her website either. hmm.

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