21 years of meditating Goenka style plus 13 years of Landmark
Posted by: balive ()
Date: August 11, 2013 08:31AM

I’ve said to myself for the past 21 years that my ultimate goal has been to wake up, to be “enlightened”… in this pursuit I’ve been deeply involved in a number of transformative processes:

* Goenka style vipassana - 35+ courses, 21 years
* Landmark Education - leadership training, all major programs, 13 years
* Numerous other forms of therapy & programs…

All to wake me up!

My bedrock, daily practise has been Goenka’s Vipassana - 2 hours every day for 21+ years, and yearly retreats. Then throw in the odd Landmark course, to get me to check my integrity, and keep me empowered.

I loved the intensity of these courses, the challenge. While I was terrified to do them, for me it felt like climbing Everest. The adventure, the discovery, the insights… I was willing to endure anything to win through and learn more about myself.

I didn’t realise that inner adventures and insights are not the same as waking up to the truth. I’ve had to wait 21 years to begin to see that.

I taught children’s vipassana courses, was on trusts, encouraged lots of people to site 10 day retreats, and ran introductions to Landmark - all with the aim of getting people to “look within, and get the same benefits I was getting”.

I felt I’d found out what life was really about, and I had the tools to get there. There WAS an answer. And I had all my fellow devotees to back me up.

Plus, each time I went on a 10 day or 45 day Goenka retreat I had extraordinary experiences:

* My body would dissolve into a mass of vibrating sensations
* Pain would become irrelevant, I could sit and watch it come and go
* I could become so concentrated that I could keep my mind focused for hours
* Swirling blue lights, nimitas would transfix and awe me
* I would hear other worldly sounds, strange sounds from no-where while sitting as my mind got stiller and stiller
* So altered were my perceptions that I even saw other beings after a long retreat in India, it was like looking into other dimensions

But through all of this I lost sight of something at the heart of all these teachings:

* Critical thinking
* An understanding that this was my journey, and no one else’s

The Buddha is said to have said “Be a lamp unto yourself”.

I lost “ownership” of my mind. I didn’t realise this until after I was shaken up by some power conversations by other meditators, who questioned me about whether the technique was really working for me.

Here were the results I was being forced to look at after all those years:

* My mind wandered as much as ever, constantly rolling, I found it nearly impossible to control
* I still had many anxieties, many fears of other people
* I had stayed in a horrendous marriage for 14 years, primarily to keep looking good to the Vipassana community
* Clinging onto belief structures out pure faith, not seeing any concrete results in my day to day life

Had any of those courses REALLY worked for me?

When I say worked for me, here’s what I would say would be an ideal:

* An autonomous thinker, able to access anything in my life on my terms, rejecting them if they didn’t work for me
* Able to make clear decisions, choosing courses of action that would work for me, and put me in a better position in life
* A calm, confident, happy, sense of lightness within - not taking things too seriously

But never during my intensive involvement with these organisations (cults) did I ever feel like that… EXCEPT for immediately after my first course with each of them.

What impressed me so much with both Goenka and Landmark was that that WAS my experience immediately after I finished my first course with each. And yet, each time I went back for more, I eventually got more involved in their organisations.

I bought into the promise of community, belonging, position and advancement… Yes, enlightenment became a career, and I had a clear roadmap. The only problem was, I was depressed, anxious and miserable, but I was convinced it was because I wasn’t using the technique right.

And all I needed to do was… another course.

You know what the coaching at Landmark always is? More Landmark.

And with Goenka? Sit another 10 day course.

The (sad) thing is… I still love these training methods. I still feel immense devotion to them. I still believe somewhere that when my meditation is off, I need to get back there for another course. That when I’m not feeling empowered enough in my life, head back over to Landmark.

That voice is not as loud as it used to be, but it’s still there.

Is it the left overs from being entrenched in cult thinking? Yes.

Perhaps those organisations weren’t setup to be cults, but I can tell you that most (not all) people I see and know in them treat them like cults, and the relationships in them typically spiral towards that kind of behaviour and judgement.

I thought I was a searcher for the truth all those years, when in fact I was clinging onto a life raft, convincing myself that even if it wasn’t working as I’d hoped, it was the best out there, that it would get me to the other shore… some day.

And yet in all those years I never thought to:

* Research these traditions online
* Never looked up others opinions in forums
* Read widely about other methods
* Sought out new teachers

My commitment to the cause was absolute.

And yet it doesn’t take much to discover online that there are as many voices praising Vipassana & Landmark as there are criticising them for their methods. That there are many who seriously question their training methods.

And that doesn’t even begin to examine scholarly research that shows the Buddha never taught that we carried around a huge stockpile of sankharas that needed to be eradicated, never said that we had to accumulate huge quantities of paramis - and that these were essential for liberation. It’s not in his teachings. And yet this concept is at the very core of Goenkas teachings. It’s why everyone is going off to do long course retreats.

If I look at why I used to sit, it came from the Vipassana text book, it can sound kind of crazy if you’re not involved - and this was actually the basis of my day to day life for 20 years:

* to extinguish my “self” and achieve nibbana, a state free from suffering
* I would achieve nibbana by eradicating a stock pile of acculturated reactions, called sankharas, accumulated over this lifetime, plus an uncountable number of lifetimes before, each life filled with a huge pile of reactions
* once all the sankharas were gone, I would automatically achieve nibbana and be forever free of this never ending series of births and deaths each filled un ending suffering and misery
* I would eradicate these sankharas through training my mind to not to react to sensations on my body
* I would do this by keeping my mind equanimous, non-reactive and aware of the changing nature of my sensations
and my method of doing this would be a continual scanning of my bodies sensations from head to feet and from feet to head, and remaining aware of their changing nature, and equanimous to them
* I would do this for a minimum of 2 hours every day, 1 hour morning, 1 hour evening
plus a yearly retreat, minim 10 days, ideally 30-60 days, aimed at training my mind to be equanimous and aware of my body sensations while being aware of their forever changing nature, ideally getting down to the sub atomic analysis of them
* to help win my goal of nibbana, not only would I have to eradicate all the huge backlog of sankharas, but it would also be necessary to accumulate a huge store house of merits, called paramis. Once I’d collected the necessary amount of these paramis, plus eradicated all my sankharas I would achieve nibbana, and be free from suffering
* I would also go and serve on courses helping others to meditate to develop (get) these paramis and to further eradicate these sankharas
the minimum amount of time for this to happen would be 10 big bangs / big crunches, that is to say, the creation and destruction of the entire universe would have to happen a minimum of 10 times (or more) and during this vast span of countless billions and billions of years, I would be at work building my paramis, and eradicating my sankharas
* I had no idea where I was in this process, either the beginning, middle or end
* I would work diligently to alter my kamma so to not go down into the lower hell realms of misery after death, but rather to either stay a human, or go into the heavenly realms, but not too high so as to lose a body completely
* I’d also sit to develop compassion towards myself and others
* And finally to live a happier, more balanced, wise, and powerful life

What have I really been doing, if you consider I’ve never had any direct experience of sankharas, paramis, nibbana, kamma, merits, heavens or hells?

It was like playing a video game, shooting off sankharas, accumulating paramis - but you never knew the score, and you had to just keep playing in order to win a victory that you might never see.

You might think I’m crazy, but here’s what I would get out of doing these amazing courses:

* A deep sense of inner contact with myself
* A strong sense of stability in my mind
* A calm, quiet, peaceful mind
* Immense clarity, fast decision making
* A greater sense of purpose in the world
* Immense confidence
* Such lightness and happiness, even in the problems of life
* A huge amount of patience with problems
* Much more compassion towards others facing problems
* More love for the world and people I would meet

That’s why, with so many positives…

It took me a long time to wake up to this fact - that these organisations, Vipassana and Landmark, their primary focus is to keep growing, they have no direct interest in my person liberation or freedom.

It is the maintenance of the organisation first, and your enlightenment second.

And that is dangerous.

I want to wake up, not help expand a movement. But while I was involved, I didn’t care too much for where I was going, I was buying into martyrdom, it was all about the greater good. It was about expansion.

These organisations would rather eject me than truly assist me if I rocked their boat. Let alone if I transgressed their rules, questioned the basis for their teachings, or did something like get divorced.

Some of almost seems funny to me… the strong beliefs I had (have). They filled up my mind and took over my inner world. And while they are at once amusing, I’ve based real world decisions on them, like:

* Whether to get married, they gave me the idea to do it - but I hated it
* Whether to have children, again, they gave me the idea - and I never was able to fully enjoy it, as I only ever wanted to get away and meditate for the full 18 years
* Who to associate with, who to have has friends
* Who to choose for a romantic partner
* And if they weren’t aligned with my beliefs, to either move them in that direction, or work towards the relationship leaving, preferably with them leaving me, so I didn’t look bad

Never once in my life before joining the Vipassana organisation had I ever thought about wanting to get married or have children, and now that I’ve left, I’ll never do those things again. Now that I’m free, I wish to stay free.

I think it’s also possible that the meditating gave me the ability to stay in such a bad marriage. Because my levels of patience/compassion were so much higher, so I was able to live with someone who was extremely abusive to me and our daughter.

Of course, the most striking part, is that she was also a dedicated Vipassana meditator, doing long courses, plus had all the same Landmark training. She might have been excessively abusive with anger and insults, but allowed it all to happen. I created the whole situation. She never wanted marriage or chidden, it was me, with my high flying Vipassana ideals that pusher her in that direction - and she blamed me for it for the entire marriage.

I stayed in this 14 year marriage out of fear of being rejected by the Vipassana community. I wanted to be able to keep doing their long courses. For so many years I had been just like any of them.

* Looking down my nose at those other poor people who weren’t meditating yet.
* And especially at those who were practising another tradition.
* But the worst was if people in our tradition left, went to another tradition, or broke up their marriage. Those things were sacrilege.

And so when it came time for me to finally accept my truth, I knew what was coming. And it did. I was ostracised. I lost my position of respect in the community.

I left what had consumed all of my twenties, and most of my thirties.

And ever since, I’ve felt adrift spiritually. Kind of in no mans land.

That was 4 years ago.

Thankfully I had the sense to focus on raising our daughter, I eventually became the full time parent, and didn’t go on any retreats, but focused on her. She needed a strong loving home after everything she’d been through.

I was also so grateful to come across a remarkable psychotherapist who I worked with each week for the 3 years during this time. She helped me understand my schizoid nature, and how it people with this type of structure that tend to be heavily into meditation. So I learned why I was driven to meditate, and how it was actually helping me cope and find my place in the world. Now when I go to meditation centres, I see that most people have this same characteristic, they are driven by the same reasons as myself, they typically don’t know it.

But I kept up the sitting, every day.

Last year another meditation teacher challenged me to stop sitting. He said I hadn’t experience what it was like to not sit, that I wasn’t facing what was lieing beneath my drive to meditate. I lasted 3 days. And every day I felt fidgety, and just wanted to get back onto the cushion.

So even after all of that, I’m still driven to sit every day for 2 hours. I love meditating, I love that quiet connection I get with myself at the beginning and end of each day.

* I still scan my body for sensations, and observe my breath.
* I would still recommend Vipassana or Landmark to people, do them once, or for a short while, but don’t get involved.
* I still think about when I would do another course.

But why?

Perhaps I still have that feeling of someone watching me, accessing what I’m doing. Judging and accessing.

Perhaps I’m driven by the “high” these courses produce, the altered state of consciousness, and I just can’t get enough of being in such a “zen” state. Am I addicted?

Am I not free, even in my own mind? I’m scared that I’m not.

And yet I say that all I want is freedom.

How can something I love doing so much, meditating, keep me in bondage?

Have these traditions helped me? Or am I stuck in a web of my own making?

I feel forever grateful to them… they got me started, but I think I’ve spent my life clinging onto dead wood.

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Re: 21 years of meditating Goenka style plus 13 years of Landmark
Posted by: eeek ()
Date: August 18, 2013 10:51AM

I somewhat relate to your feeling of gratitude + concern about clinging to dead wood, although not for as long. For 3 years I received treatments in a body-mind "holistic" modality, I saw other people who said their lives were changed by it and I believe them, but for me the total benefits I got from it I think if I were to be reasonable should have happened in....1 year, maximum.

So you were still unhappy, convinced that it wasn't because you weren't doing the technique right, and indeed the answer you were given was always "more retreats, more seminars". It's circular, not to mention it sells more seminars. I know I feel ignorant and naive for believing some of the things I did, as an educated person, but there are some factors:

1) when you are surrounded by people repeating the same philosophies and seemingly benefitting (the jargon does not have to be forced on people to be persuasive, as long as it contains thought stopping cliches) it can be hard to reconcile that with your own experience, so you figure the same results will come to you eventually if you just keep going,
2) any system or method that uses this type of circular reasoning (the method and/or guru is infallible, the reason you're not getting results is you; pay us for more seminars/sessions) does not encourage you to pay attention to the signals from your own body and self that something's not working. Which I thought was supposed to be a big part of the reason for doing any "awareness" practice or at minimum a crucial skill to learn along the way!!
3) good old desperation.

I think that's a pretty good question you were asked, what's lying beneath your drive to meditate? You asked if you were addicted; does it seem like you are meditating in order to avoid or not feel something?

I am not sure if now is the best time to refer you to more "information" online (it seems you devour philosophies, just as I do sometimes, and I don't want to accidentally indoctrinate you in something else, oops!), but what you are describing sounds like "spiritual bypassing". This includes people having profound experiences and spiritual "highs" but these don't eradicate the same old life problems they had before.

There's so much focus on the "divine" but they leave out the "human" part. Acknowledge that we humans are fleshy creatures with physical and emotional limitations and needs. Yep, needs, and the so-called "negative" emotions are like flashing lights indicating unmet needs. And if you still experience anxiety that could be telling you something important.

I am noticing that maybe these philosophies, whatever their explanation is for your emotional or physical symptoms (in your case sankharas) seem to create a more solid immovable belief and ensuing struggle than the symptoms themselves?! (In other words the medicine does more harm than the disease) And what's happening there in my opinion is you have these "personal growth" or "spirituality" gurus and methods claiming that they can help individuals who may actually be experiencing mood disorder/after-effects of trauma and should really be with a qualified and licensed therapist. However the gurus and practitioners don't have the diagnostic skills to know this.

Unfortunately I only got into personal growth/spirituality after I saw a few therapists for several months each and we just seemed to talk a lot and nothing really happened. So I thought the personal growth crowd might have the answers. Doesn't change the fact that what I really needed was a therapist skilled and knowledgeable enough to deal with my situation.

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