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rrmoderatorGGWO story:
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Carl Stevens is seen as something more like a "con man" and has been called a "cult leader."
Most Christians don't take him seriously, other than because of the many people he has hurt.
Whatever self-serving "vision" Stevens claims is of little interest, other than his use of such things for his own selfish purposes. That is, to feed his ego and/or manipulate others.
It's doubtful that anyone here would be interested in your "Double Dan" story.
People come here to discuss cults, controversial groups and movements, not claimed visions.
If you left the Stevens group, good for you, given the groups sordid history.
One woman sued Stevens and his church for brainwashing her back in the 1980s. She won and collected as damages the "Bible Speaks" property Stevens had before relocating in Baltimore.
The group has a really horrible history.
Well, to those who don't like him (and I never liked the Moses figure
aspect of his leadership it threw me off in my personal life they way
he dealt with problems by swaying the congregation against me that
is his style he indirectly castigates people) he has finally stepped
down! Tom Schaller now the new leader. So now we have church splits in GGWO overseas, Pastors who won't submit to home base in Baltimore. It's a mess, I knew a man by the name of Arpe who got a letter of rejection from the leadership of the church in Austria because he was with the "Baltimore spirit" and not the local church he was in.
We can sure say that in the Bible Speaks the BIBLE SPEAKS ! I mean
this is the kind of stuff going on in Paul's day. Basically the churches
under Paul did not want to submit to him and he had to deal with all
kinds of stuff. The church in Corinth was probably the worst
(in 2 Corinthians Paul got really weak and the church had all kinds
of problems) So now Tom Schaller is like a Paul in charge of this
rowdy group.
I have news. When I was 20(I'm 33 now) in the Bible Speaks
I was a young enthusiastic christian who just entered Bible College
in the BS in Budapest. I got a little out of line one of the reasons
because I didn't submit to home base. Eventually (also because of other
reasons I'll let the BS church in Budapest fill you in) I got labeled as a King Saul by Tom Schaller who was Pastor at the church in Budapest! It was indirect labeling and castigation, just like Stevens. Fortunately Schaller is
mellower these days and he when he does this stuff there is a lot less
burn power than Stevens. So the end result is church splits everywhere
because the new leader doesn't have the glue.