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Re: Chogyam Trungpa--departed from Ri-Med Tradition
Posted by: ollaimh ()
Date: April 30, 2017 01:57AM

good question,it's a long time ago, i may be confusing the washington university translators, one of whom i knew well with another translation group. now that you mention it. i'll have to ask a friend who might know to be sure. the translator i knew was leon hurvitz who unfortunately died over ten years ago--maybe twenty years now. (i'm getting old) he worked with denchen rinpoche a lot. someone should know.

dudjom rinpoche had a reputation for strictness in observance of rules for behavior, and thought little of most free wheeling western teachers students and tibetans who abbetted them. however you may know more about him than i do , except chat from leon hurvitz which is fifteen to twenty years old. leon knew all the tibetan translators.

as far as corruption in tibetan buddhism. i don't think policing it or reform is likely.

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa--departed from Ri-Med Tradition
Posted by: Misstyk ()
Date: May 01, 2017 01:03AM

ollaimh Wrote:
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> good question,it's a long time ago, i may be
> confusing the washington university translators,
> one of whom i knew well with another translation
> group. now that you mention it. i'll have to ask a
> friend who might know to be sure. the translator
> i knew was leon hurvitz who unfortunately died
> over ten years ago--maybe twenty years now. (i'm
> getting old) he worked with denchen rinpoche a
> lot. someone should know.
>
> dudjom rinpoche had a reputation for strictness in
> observance of rules for behavior, and thought
> little of most free wheeling western teachers
> students and tibetans who abbetted them. however
> you may know more about him than i do , except
> chat from leon hurvitz which is fifteen to twenty
> years old. leon knew all the tibetan translators.
>
>
> as far as corruption in tibetan buddhism. i don't
> think policing it or reform is likely.\

I don't know about "free-wheeling Western teachers" nor about Tibetans who abet them. I wonder if Dudjom Rinpoche was naive about his own colleagues; people like Trungpa--Tibetan teachers who thought nothing of making a mockery of Buddhism for their own aggrandizement and cheap thrills. Some of the teachers under Dudjom Rinpoche's authority at some of his centers were outrageous.

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New Book by Chogyam Trungpa Disciple - the Lama Industry
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Date: September 30, 2017 09:24PM


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Re: Chogyam Trungpa--departed from Ri-Med Tradition
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: September 30, 2017 09:36PM

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It is no surprise that Soygal lama and many other lamas’ scandalous sexual abuses are so often heard, as sexual practice is Lamaism’s core tenet to attain 'enlightenment"; so sexual abuses are not isolated cases, but are bound to happen in Lamaism’s world.

“A sexual practice with female partners, being an essential component of their Tantric teachings, created a double-bind of its own for the tulkus; trained in this androcentric and misogynistic system since childhood. Once they reach the advanced Tantric practices, now they were expected to have real females as their serial sexual partners, to journey toward their bizarre ideas about ‘enlightenment.’

“The repetitive iconic images of copulation, seen depicted in Tibetan imagery, told to a naïve public and early recruits to be merely symbolic—the merging of wisdom and emptiness—reflects the Tibetan lamas’ very real obsession with sexual intercourse as the only way to experience, and then sustain, a ‘state’ of enlightenment for themselves, as they obsess over their own semen, mixed with female biological fluids, and their belief that they can make this ‘elixir’ travel backwards, to the top of their heads; a belief based on medieval fantasies of a Hindu Tantric alchemy that tells them to ’absorb’ the essence of female energy, coming to possess it as their own. This is so these tulkus can become a transcendent, androgynous-empowered cosmic ruler of the phenomenal world: A Lord Chakravartin.”
Enthralled - The Guru Cult of Tibetan Buddhism, p. 60

“Chogyam Trungpa, my first Tibetan lama, was a serial sexual addict, kept a harem of favorite women, and drank himself to death. His constant seeking of women was justified, in his Western Buddhist, sangha, and still is, by his ‘crazy wisdom’ Vajrayana ‘spiritual practices.’”
Enthralled - The Guru Cult of Tibetan Buddhism, p.66

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