It appears EAB is well aquainted with LivingEngine. I found a thread here
responding to his claims about the safe house and some other allegations (the moderator, in a post I haven't listed here as it's very long, responds to the allegation about the fatwa).
Eric Allen Bell
[[b]name redacted by psyborgue[/b]] (Livingengine):
I have never made anti-semitic comments. I simply said stated I object to the theology of Judaism and that the tribalism, in some circles, is elitist. Sue﻿ me. The vast majority of Jewish people do not engage in the tribal elitism I have described. But the concept of "God's chosen people" is the height﻿ of arrogance. Criticizing Judaism is not off limits and it is not synonymous with antisemitism. I object to Christianity. Does that mean I must therefore hate Christians? Your logic is flawed.
I have never been in an FBI safehouse. I was in something of a safehouse, and the FBI was involved, but that does not add up to "FBI Safehouse". There were death threats, but to the best of my knowledge no formal "Fatwa"' as such. The money﻿ I collected for my movie and safety was around $2,000 and fell way short of what I personally I have spent on these items. Absolutely no one has asked for a refund of their donation or accused me of fraud. Your allegations are baseless.
The fact is, you post comments on every single Counter Jihad blog out there, repeating the same obsessive compulsive drivel about me, constantly, and have done so for over a year now. Please go back on your meds.
- Eric Allen Bell
To which the moderator replied:
Mr [[b]name redacted by psyborgue[/b]],
Now that Mr Bell has put a name to your identity, I feel that your comment was a bit misleading.
My question to you now is where are you coming from? Are you supportive of the counter-jihadist movement or against it? Quoting Spencer gives one the impression you favor the counter-jihadist movement but that Bell is a detriment to it.
Just what is your position here?
As to Bell's comment, disagreeing with Judaic theology is hardly what today's anti-Semitism is all about just as religion had nothing to do with Hitler's anti-Semitism. I am no fan of the Catholic church, but that doesn't mean I have anything against Catholics. I am married to one.
I would like you to clarify just what your position is on counter-jihad itself.
That said, I don't intend to let you use this blog as a platform to wage your campaign against Mr Bell as you have done at others.
An exchange continues, to which EAB responds:
Eric Allen Bell
Hi, me again -
After securing more backing for my project, I was able to run paid ads on YouTube and dramatically drive up the metrics. I don't apologize for that. Actually, I think it's an effective way of reaching people. Much of this was done immediately after the news broke that the Boston Bombers were in fact Islamists.
There are many people who are furious with me for my comments regarding Christianity - to the point of being nearly psychotic about it. They feel they are owed something for reading my blogs, following me on Facebook or sending in a donation towards the film.
I was useful, coming from the Left, as someone who saw the light when it came to Islam. But as soon as the truth became known, that I find fault with religion in general, many people felt betrayed and said I was "not to be trusted". From a logical perspective, this simply makes no sense. It's irrational.
CAIR (LoonWatch) is trying to smear me by saying I am "antisemitic" and the rapture-ready crowd, within Counter Jihad, have accepted this as fact and used it to attack me.
It's quite simple. I'm being attacked because I have criticized Christianity and Judaism. This has triggered an irrational response in some, but certainly not most, religious people within Counter Jihad.
When I said that a huge chunk of the Counter Jihad movement is comprised of people who are actually on a religious crusade, the honeymoon was over. I went from poster boy to outcast in a heartbeat.
I'm not asking for donations, selling a book, running for office, etc. I'm indifferent to how the Religious Right perceives me.
I continue to stand behind what I said however - that so long as our movement has the flavor of the rapture-ready religious right, we will never be taken seriously by the general public. We cannot blame the "Liberal Media" for this, as they allow Bill Maher and Sam Harris to speak freely, often and at length, criticizing Islam, on major news networks. If we are aligned with the likes of Pat Robertson, if Eric Stackelback cannot find a way to get the word out without that CBN logo at the bottom of the screen, we will always be seen as religious zealots, engaged in a contest of religions.
Our own lunatic fringe is what damages our credibility. And ironically, it is that same lunatic fringe which accuses me of being crazy and a liability.
Eventually the moderator hits livingengine with the banhammer:
I have relegated the dozen or so messages you sent today to the spam box.
Your comments are no longer welcome on this site. They will not be read or posted.
As a forum admin (on another large forum), and 6 years experience, I do have to suspect
there was a lot of sock-puppetry happening in that discussion, but that's beyond the scope of the discussion here. What is relevant is that livingengine, as noted by "Cult Survivor" above has obsessively posted
all over the internet in countless blogs and "counter-jihad" website about EAB. The reactions to doing so, regardless of the venue, have been overwhelmingly negative.
The motives for doing so, furthermore, seem to be religious in nature. For example, on livingengine's youtube account he likes a video entitled "The New Age and it's Relationship to the Antichrist
". The video, from skimming it, outlines how new age doctrine will be used to take over the world and ultimately exterminate all Christians in a "great persecution". Classic protestant christian estachology. In light of these views, accusations such as EAB claiming to be the anti-christ (as on the previous page), or at least anti-Christian, make sense in livingengine's apparent worldview.
I would very much like to hear from what "Cult Survivor" has to say, based on his personal experience with EAB and his far more interesting allegations, however livingengine, if he's trying to convince people that EAB is running a cult, is doing more harm than good to his case by bringing in irrelevant evidence.
You say you were "brainwashed by an islamophobe". Can you elaborate on that a little bit? I'm interested in how your views changed. Was this a sudden change or a gradual one? Were you able to identify how you were influenced to believe in such things?
You say your therapist helped you identify that you were involved in a cult. Can you elaborate a bit on how he did this, and how he helped you leave the influence of EAB?
You say that EAB stopped taking donations after a while after there was a "backlash". Can you elaborate on what this backlash was? It's certainly unusual for a cult leader, if EAB is one, to cut off a source of income. This backlash must have been a significant event.
You say you were convinced, by NLP, that EAB was on a higher plane of consciousness. Did your therapist use the term NLP?
You say a woman in Nashville donated significant property to him. Did she do this as a result of his anti-Islam views, or as a follower of his religious views?
Thanks for your time
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/17/2013 05:20PM by psyborgue.