Dear BigPigWeed,

When you write that;

quite a few of the members who write on there forum seem really despressed and to view the world in a really negative bleak way.

I would heartily agree with you....David runs down any alternatives to servitude in his empire, in order to try to circumvent, those he has ensnared from even being able to contemplate "escape".....it is a very nihilistic environment, a thoroughly unhealthy (learned) distrust of anything that does not have McKay's "approval" ..... (..and you know, that to question what motivates that "approval" would only lead to public humiliation and belittlement in staged grievance meeting after grievance meeting....)....while at the same time you observe David endorsing whatever denigration of others he can profit from...

...... you have to "kill" your conscience (and a great deal of your rational intellect)....in order to survive, for long, in such a nightmare....

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You slut! I know who you work with! You bogey-man type of bastards are not going to get away with what you are trying to do to me. I have friends with high positions of authority and the love of someone powerful and he cares for me and you are jealous. There is much you do not know so you can tell your cohorts of your Manson-like group that they will not be getting away with their attempts to silence me. You are one of the Mafia members who are planning to make videos using my altered image in your pornographic films and to send them to party headquarters to foul my character. God damn you to fucking hell, you child of a whore. You and your friends Barb and Poolman have blood on their hands and you can be very sure that I know more about you than you think. I believe you were there when I was assaulted by your clan since you twice used mention of the words rose and artist when you are posting on snopes. You are on the Rick Ross payroll and this I know from an insider. You are all about bigotry and trying to silence the little people. Just because I wouldn't join his filthy cult, I'm your target because of my friendship with the Jesus Christians. As a matter of fact, you could very well be Nick and if you are, I know you are one of the five Mafia members who are plotting against me. When you present your completed videos of me to Ross, you can share a cell with him, you fucking terrorist slut!
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If she's referring to McKay here then that is very worrying. It sounds as if she's almost dependant on McKay. Perhaps McKay is filling a void in her life. I stand by what i said a few days ago. This woman is clearly mentally unstable. McKay knows how vulnerable this woman is and he's using that to his advantage.

It's hard to believe a grown woman actually sent that. Anyone reading that without having any knowledge of the person in hand would be of the opinion that this is an angry teenager with too much time on their hands. It's a very violent and agressive message she has sent. Who knows what someone in her current mental state is capable of..

I know someone who works at [www.mcleanhospital.org] and they have an area that focuses heavily on people who have been in cults and destructive groups.

There is help for people who have been tortured by cult involvement.There is also help for people who have delusions.

I think MacKay has this woman under his control and is pushing her to go after people that don't like his cult.Cult leaders manipulate people by finding their areas of weakness and exploiting them.The woman that sent me that message is a lonly person someone who doesn't get along with others so she has latched onto MacKay for attention.She must know he doesn't love her and that he's using her but I s'pose when you get so low that you do the things she does, you no longer care. Seems she is very jealous of other women and could well be she never has had much male attention so MacKay is filling this need even if it's cyber.

Freaky, creepy and sad sad sad.This is what cults do.The feed on people.

When Apollo posted his chat with Dave, the Jesus Christian said:

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abusive? I beg your pardon? You arrogant little fucking pipsqueak.

When Dave posted his chat with Apollo, the Jesus Christian said:

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abusive? I beg your pardon? You arrogant little pipsqueak.

So there is a difference here. There are two possibilities. Either Apollo inserted a word, or Dave removed one.

A couple of pages back, I posted:

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Now Dave has said:

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But people like Brian, Sisi, and Anita have no reason to feel hatred. None of them really knows ANY of us at all. Their whole presence on the hate sites is a complete mystery. They are all obsessed with something that defies any logical explanation. I tend to think that it is something wonky in the psyche of each of these three people to have made them turn the way they have.


Well Dave, the word "hate" is yours, not mine. Defies any logical explanation? Let me remind you. I came onto this forum with an innocent question, "Does anyone know what is happening with the Sydney Quakers?". You came out with a barrage against me, claiming that I was Private Eyes with another log-in. Then you moved to claiming that I was his wife. Then you moved to calling me "Grandma Lowe". I might not have pursued things any further than my original posting, except for your wild allegations of who I was to start with. Then I saw you doing the same thing to poor DL, and I at least have a sense of justice about your defamation of that innocent electrician. The rest is history. But let me remind you again, the word "hate" is yours.

There is something important I need to add to that statement, just for the record, although I know I have posted about this before, so it is nothing new.

The first I knew of the Jesus Christians was watching "Australian Story". At the time I had attended some Quaker meetings, and had been invited to be placed on a mailing list. And so I was interested in the TV story.

I googled this what looked to me like a cult, from the ABC Australian Story, and found out a bit about the JC's, and thought how sad that this can happen to a group like the Quakers, and a family like Ashwyn's.

Months later, I got an email out of the blue entitled "An email from Dave and Cherry". It was all about some dispute with a Quaker group in Sydney, and had urgency and upheaval as an underlying theme, and was quite disturbing in the tone and language. I did some more investigation about this email, and was informed that it was from the very man I had seen on the ABC Australian Story! I was shocked! Here I was getting an email because I was on a mailing list for the Quaker News, from a man I had already determined was probably the last kind of person I would want to be infiltrating the Quakers.

This led to me googling the JC's some more, finding out about the whippings, and being shocked that they were stirring up trouble with a Quaker group. And as a result of that, I ended up posting the innocent question about the Sydney Quakers which was my first posting.

So to anyone who writes that this is none of my business, I reply that I was invited into it by Dave and Cherry themselves, by personal email invitation.



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I'll back Apollo as the one telling the truth. I've never caught him lying as SO many people have caught McKay lying countless times. Typical of McKay too, editing a chat to make himself look better. He's pulled that on plenty of people. He really doesn't want people to see him as gutter mouthed as well as everything else. Before this summer, I would have waited and seen what either side had to say but after having McKay and his fatal attraction lying about me all summer and fall, I will assume that when anyone other than them tells the truth.

It reads exactly as I would expect from the McKay I know now.




Some cult leaders ain't no damn good---you can't trust 'em, you can't love 'em, no good deed goes unpunished......

Kudos to Dave for grilling Glenn on the origin of the hate message to Denise on her youtube channel. The one where they threatened to make videos of her daughter using image re-construction. Dave suggests it might have been Al, and is quite clear that he doesn't believe that the threat came from this site. He has information that the IP of the poster is in Melbourne, Australia, and that narrows it down somewhat.

[www.jesus-teachings.com]

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When Apollo posted his chat with Dave, the Jesus Christian said:

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abusive? I beg your pardon? You arrogant little fucking pipsqueak.

When Dave posted his chat with Apollo, the Jesus Christian said:

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abusive? I beg your pardon? You arrogant little pipsqueak.

So there is a difference here. There are two possibilities. Either Apollo inserted a word, or Dave removed one.

Yes and that's exactly why i now post any chat i have with Dave. As we all know Dave likes to post his own edited version of these chats. It's a way for him to control and manipulate his group. By posting his own edited version he's controlling how this person is going to be perceived and the rest dutifully follow.

Dear Blackhat,

Thank you for the recent link.... I read through the whole thing (and Glenn's reply) to make sure that any "kudos" were indeed due to David as you remark) from this comment of his:

There is a relatively small band of people who are upset by Denise's videos, and you seem to be a part of it. I'm not sure why. At least ONE of those Sisi supporters wrote that horrible post about Faith's suicide. Again, you are known by the company that you keep, Glenn.

...it would appear that David is being supremely careful not to offend Denise, which would seem to confirm a number of suspicions, about a relationship McKay is grooming..... (Naturally I would invite any observers to peruse Denis's videos' and see for yourselves if McKays observation is reasonable).

Actually, my own suspicion here, is, that as Zeusor remarks, David is ONLY interested in the degree of "control" he exerts over others, and that he will actually in the course of a conversation/debate/argument CONTRADICT HIS VERY OWN PREVIOUS STATEMENTS (the "test" of the relationship being that WHATEVER David happens to say is the "truth" at any one point at time, you are obliged to cow to, "reality" is quite inconsequential) and that the "Statesmen Dave" you see here, is for the purpose of somehow "rationally" correcting Glenn, whom David cannot simply threaten with denigration with the JesusChristians or with banishment....(the lesson for Glenn that David is trying to mete out, being not that any particular fact is "true" or not, but simply that Glenn must learn that he is "obliged" to concur to David in all things)....

....hence I'd personally have to qualify the "kudos" I confer on David....the sentiments would need to expressed more consistently, and outside the framework of a clear rebuke to someone (Glenn in this instance)

I have had a little experience of this trait in David, over the 1981-5 period, however I must say that even over the brief few years that this thread has been up and running, David has become "measurable worse" in this regard.....