Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Date: July 24, 2009 02:20AM
If you PM message me, I may have some possible links to the family in distress in California!
I am obliged to Rick Ross for his services, because David McKay is basically a failed cult leader who will never make the "big time", and there are a HUGE number of other cults far more devastating than the Jesus Christians in their impact on humanity....that such a "nobody" could merit the attention he gets, is a matter to be thankful for, considering that David is such a "gnat" of a man among all the "camels" of despotic, manipulative cult (mis)leaders scattered through this earth.
The xjcs.jcs site (Google it!) is a very helpful source of information if you haven't already looked through it. I prefer the RR site, (where I may be as "bleak" as I feel without upsetting those who seek "dialogue"), however the most outspoken (and perhaps the most knowledgeable) former members post on the other site. I, for example, strongly share Tony's sentiments when he posted there in May, that;
Most people, without direct experience of dodgy characters like Dave, would assume honesty on the part of the reporter. And the greater the claim (more unusual, more serious) the more people assume that the reporter has done their facts checking.
Dave uses this assumption well, and gets a long way further than he ought because of it. Normal people expect honesty from their peers. It's how we normally work. (At this point, I recall the cartoon segment on page 12 from Galatians / Fair Dinkum, which succinctly says, "Trust me, I'm a preacher!")
Unfortunately, without continued reference to the truth, Dave's own inbuilt assumptions lead him to presume that, if Dave says it, then it must be true. And the steady slide from supposition to assertion as fact is almost guaranteed without external counsellors who are not afraid to prefer the truth to the statements of the "king".
Dave's community has no counsellors of such nature. It is the community structure which has eradicated such folk - a structure that Dave has created and fostered. As the anointed apostle, he does not err.
The real question is - what is going on in the minds of his disciples? What are they seeing? What are they hearing? How do they reconcile the inconsistencies?
And in the minds of Dave's lieutenants - Rob, Christine - what do they do? At what point does the truth become more important than the suppositions of their leader?
The real tension is not within Dave. His psychopathology has the upper hand.
His subordinates have no illness to keep them going in the ways of madness. They are left to justify by some means what is properly unjustifiable.
So how long can they keep it up?
....to "help" I'd say consists of
persuading existing members of the JC's to leave,
assisting recent exited members to "rehabilitate" their lives
supporting families whose members are still trapped in servitude to McKay,
strongly discouraging others to become involved with McKay (an area where this site would clearly excel!)
While I'm of a view that the group itself can't ever be "turned around" (and I'd be considered a hard-core, conservative, orthodox Christian who believes in a lot of the "theory" they espouse, while denying it in the lives they lead) and that it should be disbanded. Hence I'm fairly despairing of "dialogue"......(there are those who aren't!)
I'd nevertheless imagine that some of the "subordinates" may yet be "helped"....
You are of course, free to draw your own opinion over whether David McKay himself can be "helped"...I would fear not, and by way of recent example...
I see that David has been extremely threatened by the references I have made to his time in the Children of God, where he was "front man" (i.e. an approved "Shepherd" in Broken Hill) for several years, and that he (according to reports from contemporary members in the COG with at the time) had no "ethical" objection to the practise of flirty fishing....(that he usually claims for himself)...but rather he (physically) left due to the fact that he so desperately wanted a cult of his very own....only in order to retain the "discipleship" of his wife (who refused to prostitute herself or her family) and children, did he apparently agree to refrain from the practise of sexually enticing membership....
David continued to receive material from them for years and years (I have actually seen this, stored in a leather bound volume, which he kept out of the prying eyes of the public) and to my knowledge has never officially denounced them (as he has always thought that he could ultimately "poach" members from them)....
I was a little puzzled at first, as to why David would have been so threatened by this, (when I was a member '81-5, we were aware of this, however simply lied in order to prevent this becoming wider knowledge....little "white" lies that were necessary to prevent people becoming distracted from the "truths of the gospel" you see....) however now I understand....David has directly lied even to his own followers.....other than Ross, Roland, Robin and Christine, none of them actually KNOW David's real background.....he has fabricated a personal history to the others presently in the JC's that waters down his dubious background.....
Hence, such discussion threatens the credibility he holds within the JesusChristians....Joe Johnson for example would be actually ignorant of the years David spent ostensibly serving the Children of God while he was assiduously filching David Bergs theology.....David McKay has even invented a self-history for those who are currently serving IN the Jesus Christians....
As I've stated (and Tony echoes) David has no compunction about deceit of any nature.....
....there are in fact, no longer any such things as "lies" or "truths" for David McKay,
....tragically he is completely and utterly psychotically self-absorbed.....
.....that's his entire hellish little "world"!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/2009 02:25AM by Malcolm Wesley WREST.