That's good, but (with respect) that's also beside the point. If I were you, I'd have nothing further to do with them AT ALL. Just thank your lucky stars that you did not get pulled in any further, and forget about them. This is my strong recommendation to you.

I think it's important that as many people as possible highlight their experiences with Dave and his cult. Even if it makes just one potential member look more closely at the group and realise that it's no more than a brainwashing religious cult then it would all be worthwhile. We're talking about whole families being torn apart here.

It would be very difficult for anyone to completely forget about the JC's after reading through their forum. My only personal experience of Dave and his cult is from posting on the JC's forum, but even that was enough to leave a lasting impression.

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I think it's important that as many people as possible highlight their experiences with Dave and his cult. Even if it makes just one potential member look more closely at the group and realise that it's no more than a brainwashing religious cult then it would all be worthwhile. We're talking about whole families being torn apart here.

It would be very difficult for anyone to completely forget about the JC's after reading through their forum. My only personal experience of Dave and his cult is from posting on the JC's forum, but even that was enough to leave a lasting impression.

Agreed.

DM is a crazy man, the JCs are a crazy group, and I'd have nothing more to do with them unless you want (at least temporarily) to be made crazy, too.

And I'm not telling you anything that I have not had experience with, either. I used to joust about with DM and his crew on their forum all night long; in the long run it only made me feel suicidal and I wound up in serious therapy for a year. I am not saying that my involvement with DM was the sole factor that led me to decide to put myself into therapy. But it had a lot to do with the decision, put it that way. Even looking at the JC forum triggers me somewhat, to this very day. That's why I rarely post much commentary here, about what they write there. In any case, I am very much more healed and "armored" now than I was back then, a couple of years ago.

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Agreed.

DM is a crazy man, the JCs are a crazy group, and I'd have nothing more to do with them unless you want (at least temporarily) to be made crazy, too.

And I'm not telling you anything that I have not had experience with, either. I used to joust about with DM and his crew on their forum all night long; in the long run it only made me feel suicidal and I wound up in serious therapy for a year. I am not saying that my involvement with DM was the sole factor that led me to decide to put myself into therapy. But it had a lot to do with the decision, put it that way. Even looking at the JC forum triggers me somewhat, to this very day. That's why I rarely post much commentary here, about what they write there. In any case, I am very much more healed and "armored" now than I was back then, a couple of years ago.

I'm delighted to hear you're in a much better place now Brian.

I'm not surprised McKay can have this effect on people. I've seen at first hand how he tries to control and manipulate the whole forum. Every word posted is analysed and then twisted to suit his own agenda. The prime example of this is shown in the Johnson's third party thread where he twists Sheila's words in an attempt to paint her as the devil. He's now successfully managed to completely turn a son against his own mother. It's heartbreaking but it just shows the influence McKay has over his followers.

Joe is also making decisions that are consistent with DM's suggestions and expectations. That kind of control cannot be had over somebody, without some degree of their own complicity. Joe has not been zapped with DM's Hypno-Beam and been zombified. In other words, he has to be cooperating somewhat for DM's tricks to work. The result of it all, is that he's presently treating his mom like a jerk. In effect, DM has taught Joe how to be a narcissist.



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What it boils down to, is that DM hates anything or anybody that he cannot control. DM derives pleasure from manipulating people, period. If he figures he can take someone down the garden path by exploiting some ambiguity of language, then he will. But if that doesn't work, he has no problem with out and out deceit. It doesn't matter to him, the only point is to get a reaction. His behaviour is similar to that of serial murderers, who, once in custody, pretend to wish to divulge information about unsolved crimes, but really don't want anything but attention. He loves to make folks dance. He isn't concerned with his own credibility, just with exerting control over other people, whether it's by enraging them, or deceiving them, or as he must do in his work exploiting people's misery, feigning empathy.

The only goal for him is to get a response that he feels he controlled. It's all about control and nothing about dialogue with DM.



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What is the obsession with murder? Dave McKay obsesses and Joe obsesses that a "fight" was attempted MURDER. Does that mean any time 2 men get in a fight...that can be labeled attempted murder? We can see that Reinhard did not fight back as the video does show him cowering on the ground. Jeremy does not seem to have done much of anything expect dance around, screaming “FREEZE FREEZE” or something and then he runs away so it was not much of a mutual fight but it does not rise to attempted murder? I guess the courts did not think so.

This post Zeuszor previously made immediately sprung to mind after my recent chat with McKay. I too have noticed this complete obsession the group seem to have with Murder.

About halfway through our chat from absolutely nowhere McKay says ''so does that give you the right to kill me?'' and then a short period later he says ''You see, lying gossips are worse than murderers, because they destroy whole groups of people. You are a lying gossip''. What he's doing here is accusing me of being worse than a murderer, baffling. It has to raise the question, what state of mind is McKay currently in?. I find comments like these very unnerving and extremely worrying.

In almost every post McKay and Joe make regarding the Johnson's they refer to this 'attempted murder'. It's almost as if they're trying to convice themselves. You know what they say.. if you repeat something often enough you start to believe it.



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More allusions to death and violence. More than allusions, these are overt threats. Reminds me of the time when David wrote,

[welikejesus.com]

"As we really do get closer to God, and as that of God begins to shine forth from us, there is going to be a different sort of a light that comes, which may actually be symbolised by those saints who were burned at the stake for their faith in days gone by.

It's coming, Friends, and we need to see it as an inseparable part of our decision to follow Christ. In the end, he said that he would cause divisions between us and everyone else who is in opposition to him. In these dark days, that is going to include almost everyone. But we can rejoice, "for so persecuted the prophets which were before you," and we can rejoice because "great is our reward in heaven." Our rejoicing in itself is going to anger them further, but it will all hasten the day of His returning. Burn, brothers, burn!"

What's he going to pull next, a group immolation or public crucifixion? Do a search of the word "Waco" at his domain and you'll find all kids of references to Waco/the Davidian standoff.

Nobody is talking about guns except for David. Nobody wants anybody to die over this. That is all in David's sick imagination.

What he just said is the equivalent of some hostage-taker putting the gun to his captive's head and yelling, "Nobody make and sudden moves or I shoot!"

Here's another one, another scary quote where DM is talking crazy:

...It seems that the RR hate-mongers are having the same effect on us that they had on the people in Waco... they just make us stick closer together, because we all know that they'll devour any one of us if they can get away with it.

[www.welikejesus.com]


These threats are all over the place if you look carefully. Am I the only one who sees this? It's like he's yelling, "Nobody move or I'll shoot!"

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I posted this one, like, almost three years ago. He's been doing that shtick for a long time, Apollo. It's not just you who notices this tendency. It's as if he's communicating, "Nobody move or the kid gets it!"

To me what it comes down to, is that here we have a small group of people, all of whom (to varying degrees) are caught up in trying to be DM.



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i was sent an unbelivable message on youtube. this woman was angry i commented negatively on one of her stupid videos.My comment was- you are wrong in suggesting that the jesus Christians are anything but a cult because they meet the exact definition of what a cult is.maybe you should spend time reading your bible to see what being a Christin means.i posted this on her page and she came back in less than 2 hours and sent me this mesage through the youtube messager.i want to show others what type of person she is and how she goes to stick up for Dave MacKay.i think it’s fair to let people know whats going on so they can block her if she comes on to them like she has to me.
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You slut! I know who you work with! You bogey-man type of bastards are not going to get away with what you are trying to do to me. I have friends with high positions of authority and the love of someone powerful and he cares for me and you are jealous. There is much you do not know so you can tell your cohorts of your Manson-like group that they will not be getting away with their attempts to silence me. You are one of the Mafia members who are planning to make videos using my altered image in your pornographic films and to send them to party headquarters to foul my character. God damn you to fucking hell, you child of a whore. You and your friends Barb and Poolman have blood on their hands and you can be very sure that I know more about you than you think. I believe you were there when I was assaulted by your clan since you twice used mention of the words rose and artist when you are posting on snopes. You are on the Rick Ross payroll and this I know from an insider. You are all about bigotry and trying to silence the little people. Just because I wouldn't join his filthy cult, I'm your target because of my friendship with the Jesus Christians. As a matter of fact, you could very well be Nick and if you are, I know you are one of the five Mafia members who are plotting against me. When you present your completed videos of me to Ross, you can share a cell with him, you fucking terrorist slut!
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i do not know anyone named Poolman.i don't post on snopes whatever that is.this is freaknight to the limit!Dave MacKay seems to lead people to total craziness in there need to defend him and get attention from him. Is she in love with him or something?she implied they have some special relationship.has this kook slipped into thinking he loves her?no wonder people are calling the cops to see if she’s dangerous. this is someone that’s a Fatal Attraction!

[www.jesus-teachings.com] now its come to light that it was someone with knowledge who said joe was mentally ill. his mom has posted

"The bi-polar label was given you by a renown psychologist."

writes sheila johnson to joe johnson on the jesus christian web forum

so the way joe has freaked out about this label could be questioned. it could also now be wondered how dave macaky managed to get his grip on joe. maybe mackay does go after people who are having mental problems. im not laughing at these problems they sound awful. there is a great amount of them taking about mental disorders and murder and sucides. quite a few of the members who write on there forum seem really despressed and to view the world in a really negative bleak way. makes you feel bad for them but its what you could expect from people who are being broken down by lack of sleep, improper food and these runs they go on. you can see many members look worn out. daves wife looks sickly and weak. the only person that looks healthy is MacKay.tells you something. these cult leaders always look out for themselves.im glad to see that joes family isn't being taken in by mackays games to make them meet up. that wouldnt be a good thing because they couldnt trust mackay not to pull some grandstanding stunt.

thanks keep up the good stuff because i think what apollo says is true people need to share to prevent others from being taken down by this cult.

sheila johnson also wrote---

----Do research on California laws with regards to the rights of mental patients and you'll learn that there are no asylums here. That's because mental patients can't be forced to be institutionalized. So the fear of being thrown in an asylum is another part of the fear factor. Fear is often used to control and manipulate people and that's why people hate Dave. They hate his methods to control and his mind-control techniques, the way he twist words and things like that.

-----Sheila Johnson

i'm not sure this is correct. i think people that are dangers to themselves or to others can be locked up against there will. pretty sure it would take the person doing things like making threats in writing, phone cals or going to someones home. i think videoed threats would be seriously looked at. i dont think joe falls into these areas but someone else might.

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i am fairly sure that in Texas people can be locked up against there will when they are known to be paranod with violent delusions and if they are threatening others or there own lives.if they have a record of ongoing stocking people and harassment and threats i think they are at serious risk of being 5150'd for evaluation. society cant be exposed to danger when these people take actions and i think having them evaluated is a valid option. cops would want to act before the person acted on some one else if it looked real serious.