Australian cult: Anyone recognize this?
Date: September 06, 2006 05:47PM
I've just spent an interesting hour or so browsing through this site. Fran, if you're reading, good work! I didn't realise that you had been so busy. I was chatting with an ex-member tonight (uses the name xenophone or something like that on this site) and he suggested that I have a look at what was being said.
In general, Fran, I agree with you that people here are only going to hear what they want to hear, and what they want to hear is that Rick Ross is a saint and Dave McKay is a devil. Not sure why that is so important to them, but nothing you or I can say will change their minds.
I am particularly impressed by the fact that it is Rick himself who jumps into the fray when an actual member turns up on line. Kind of makes you think that he is a big of a control freak, doesn't it?
Nevertheless, there are a few things I may be able to comment on that you have missed. Yes, there was a letter from 'Mo' (David Berg) that I hung onto for a while way back in the late 70s. He wrote to me personally when I said that I liked some of what he was saying but I wanted to see what I could do about getting those thoughts across to people inside the churches. He more or less said, "Good luck. If you can get them to listen, you're a better man than I am." It was a good souvenir for a while, but I threw it away a short time after I left them. (As you can see, people here will go to great lengths to find something to make a big deal of!)
As for my accountability to the community, I have been kicked out under the grievance system twice... both times before you joined. Once was for telling Cherry to shut up and refusing to apologise for it. I was out for only one day before I came back and apologised. The second time was for calling a satanist who came around trying to cause trouble a dirty name. I was out for a couple of weeks at that time, and Cherry came with me. I can't remember the details about me finally being allowed back in.
Can't remember if it is in this thread or another one on this site, but someone has been telling some story about a 17yo guy who stayed with us and woke up one morning with no underpants on; and also about us going door to door (in Liverpool, I think) trying to get pensioners to give us furniture. I have been scratching my head trying to work out where these stories could have come from, since they sounded totally absurd at first. But there is usually some thread of truth even in the biggest lies. As you know, we often recycle stuff that is thrown out. So perhaps someone saw some furniture out on the curb in Liverpool and knocked on a door to ask if it was being thrown out. The only time I've even heard of us going door to door to witness was in that little town in Wyoming where Atilla and Jessica were stranded for a few weeks while getting an engine fixed.
Now, about the 17yo guy... I can only think of three times in our history when we have had any dealings with anyone under 18 years of age. One was Lakshmi, in India, who also gets a mention on this site. The full story with Lakshmi was not only that her uncle was forcing her to have sex, but that her father had locked her up in preparation for a forced marriage to a Hindu (since he had heard that she had converted to Christianity). Her 18th birthday was only a week away when she escaped and came to us for help. We paid for her to stay in a hotel on her own, since it is against the law in India to convert anyone under 18 years of age. A few years later, her mother was arrested for having killed her daughter-in-law, and her father told Lakshmi (after she had turned 18), that she owed it to the family to kill herself to save them the humiliation of having a daughter convert to Christianity.
So we have to say that the Rick Ross set is taking the side of a violent, fundamentalist, sexually perverted family against a young girl (one week away from being 18) becoming a Christian. You see how easy it is to end up justifying anything when you get on the kind of witch hunts that this web site fosters?
Anyway, the second minor to stay with us was Bobby Kelly, who had written permission from his grandmother to be with us when the cult-busters got to her in England and told her that she would never see him again unless she signed papers to have him made a ward of the state and sent the police out after him. It appears that they also told her not to even tell us that they were going to cook up a story about us having kidnapped him!
And the third one? Well, again, it was a case of someone who was just a couple weeks short of being 18. he was a ward of the state in Liverpool, who was living on his own. However, someone (officials, guardians... I'm not sure, as I wasn't there) was getting upset about him having anything to do with us, and so we encouraged him to take off into hiding for those few weeks. We had to look after him a bit more than Lakshmi, however, bcause he was mentally challenged, and would constantly poo his pants and wet himself. In short, he spent about a year with us, travelled to Australia, then to America (where he wandered off on his own one night in Las Vegas and gave us all a scare!) and then back to England. Sexually or physically assaulted? No way! But he may have missed a meal for some kind of an indiscretion.
Well, there you have it, the bigger picture. But how much do you wanna bet that there will be a response seeing even more evil than already existed in these people's minds after they have read this letter.
Of course, it has to get by Rick Ross the moderator before it will appear first, so you may never see it. Gee, maybe we should do that, where you have to get anything you write approved by me before you can send it! Ha!
Anyway, I hope things are going well for you over there in Kenya. I can't believe the news that the entire Internet is down over there. Hope it's fixed soon. I had a great trip back and am slowly getting over jet-lag. Give my love to the rest of the team in Kenya.