What on earth is going on here.
Let me get this straight. This Dave Mcay has three kids who have left the Jesus Christians? -Who are now adults with their own lives and maybe even families of their own.
Presumably they know what he is really like and up to, including the devastation he has reeked on a whole host of OTHER families.
So why don’t they go public and expose him? .
You make a good case here Snuggles and it is hard to disagree with you, but as you also acknowledge, it is not easy. Apostate, Cultmalleus and Matilda are doing a fine job. (BTW where is cultmalleus? I hope he has not been intimidated too) This board will prove to be an invaluable source of information about Dave McKay and the Jesus Christians. Rick I think it would be a good idea to link the forum pages to individual group inforkmation pages, as the forum will always contain more recent information and links to real people, should anyone need them.
The situation must be horrendous for the McKay children. Having no contact with their mother and sister and having been raised in a cult, then thrown out to the wind! However what their father does is NOT their fault and they are entitled to their recovery and privacy. I do agree though, that it would promote awareness about this group and that information , coming from such a strong source,would prevent some others from recruitment. It would be very difficult and would take a lot of courage and stamina to face the aftermath of Dave's wrath.
He is blatant in his defiance of universal values and so disrespectful in the way he refers to ex members who have been dispensed with.
I am not at all convinced by Dave's feigned concern for the career of any ex member or any member for that matter. I know he is ruthless. He himself has illustrated this so well , it deserves a repost and commentary.
[[color=darkred:eabace4800]quote] Dave McKay
Can't remember if it is in this thread or another one on this site, but someone has been telling some story about a 17yo guy who stayed with us and woke up one morning with no underpants on; and also about us going door to door (in Liverpool, I think) trying to get pensioners to give us furniture. I have been scratching my head trying to work out where these stories could have come from, since they sounded totally absurd at first. But there is usually some thread of truth even in the biggest lies. As you know, we often recycle stuff that is thrown out. So perhaps someone saw some furniture out on the curb in Liverpool and knocked on a door to ask if it was being thrown out. The only time I've even heard of us going door to door to witness was in that little town in Wyoming where Atilla and Jessica were stranded for a few weeks while getting an engine fixed.
Now, about the 17yo guy... I can only think of three times in our history when we have had any dealings with anyone under 18 years of age. One was Lakshmi, in India, who also gets a mention on this site. The full story with Lakshmi was not only that her uncle was forcing her to have sex, but that her father had locked her up in preparation for a forced marriage to a Hindu (since he had heard that she had converted to Christianity). Her 18th birthday was only a week away when she escaped and came to us for help. We paid for her to stay in a hotel on her own, since it is against the law in India to convert anyone under 18 years of age. A few years later, her mother was arrested for having killed her daughter-in-law, and her father told Lakshmi (after she had turned 1 , that she owed it to the family to kill herself to save them the humiliation of having a daughter convert to Christianity.
So we have to say that the Rick Ross set is taking the side of a violent, fundamentalist, sexually perverted family against a young girl (one week away from being 1 becoming a Christian. You see how easy it is to end up justifying anything when you get on the kind of witch hunts that this web site fosters?
Anyway, the second minor to stay with us was Bobby Kelly, who had written permission from his grandmother to be with us when the cult-busters got to her in England and told her that she would never see him again unless she signed papers to have him made a ward of the state and sent the police out after him. It appears that they also told her not to even tell us that they were going to cook up a story about us having kidnapped him!
And the third one? Well, again, it was a case of someone who was just a couple weeks short of being 18. he was a ward of the state in Liverpool, who was living on his own. However, someone (officials, guardians... I'm not sure, as I wasn't there) was getting upset about him having anything to do with us, and so we encouraged him to take off into hiding for those few weeks. We had to look after him a bit more than Lakshmi, however, bcause he was mentally challenged, and would constantly poo his pants and wet himself. In short, he spent about a year with us, travelled to Australia, then to America (where he wandered off on his own one night in Las Vegas and gave us all a scare!) and then back to England. Sexually or physically assaulted? No way! But he may have missed a meal for some kind of an indiscretion.
Well, there you have it, the bigger picture. But how much do you wanna bet that there will be a response seeing even more evil than already existed in these people's minds after they have read this letter.
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
Posted: 09-07-2006 01:42 PM Post subject: the state ward in Liverpool
Sorry, I didn't make it clear. The young man in question was not living with guardians. He was living on his own. We found him roaming the streets with pooey pants. A couple of our members (who are now registered nurses) took him home, cleaned him up and tried to help him out. The only interest the authorities had in him came when someone heard that he had come into contact with us. It was a very long time ago, and I don't intend to start a serious hunt for details to satisfy the likes of the people on this forum. I've already told you more than anyone else knows about this incident, and obviously that has not eased anyone's fears.
All of this happened at his bidding as does everything else of imprtance in the group. Dave was there and involved in the Indian case. It may have been Rols and his wife that were involved in the other 2 cases but Dave was behind it.