Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by: zeuszor ()
Date: November 30, 2010 07:01AM

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Well on the way,
Head in a cloud,
The man of a thousand voices talking perfectly loud
But nobody ever hears him,
or the sound he appears to make,
and he never seems to notice,

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.


Do you realize who this song is about? It's about a cult leader, the Maharishi!



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Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by: Apollo ()
Date: November 30, 2010 07:13AM

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Malcolm Wesley WREST
Well Blackhat,

There are the usual litany of falsehoods and exaggerations, which I think are (relatively) inconsequential, but could be "picked out" if one wished (e.g..Virtually all of the characters involved in this hate campaign against her have been kindly allowed to post on this forum at some time in the past...and were just as "kindly", immediately barred, some time in the past, when they raised matters that threatened David...Have you got some actual quotes from this forum where all of this horrific stuff has supposedly been taking place. Screaming delusions, damaging libel, weapons against people, which go far beyond name calling, dangerous actions, ruined lives? Sounds impressive. But where are the quotes? There must be hundreds that you could produce after a description like that!...I can remember perhaps half a dozen links posted here, that taken together would constitute "hundreds of quotes" in total).....

...from my perspective though, it would seem, these are all really no more than "side issues" and that;

David has VERY little to say, if Denise is the only "cause celebre" he can resort to, as "safe ground" for him to tread (What we all REALLY want to know David is WHAT exactly is it, that you did, that has so completely alienated every other former member of your cult, from you...?)

We now know that none of his own cult are talking to him,....Why?....because David is in such desperation, that he is even trying to "talk" to us, with the compliments to Kevin and Franky...people that he imagines are prepared to possibly respond half way positively to such overtures, from him...these being his attempt to open the "channels of communication". He thus appears to have no-one else to "converse" with....and, in lonely desperation, "we" are being sought....the "Denise fetish" IMO, merely being no more than an issue on which he feels secure enough to "defend" himself....(in "combat").....hence he attempts to "limit" the debate, to some where he is comfortable. He, of course, can't be seen to "reach out" though to communicate with his declared hated enemies (probably couldn't even admit it to himself, that he was doing as much)...so it's just mixed in with the usual caustic hatred.....

("K" has repeatedly invited you to the xjcs.jcs site David...you are always free to PM him initially

and unlike you, Nick, has no need to "filter" your postings for any wider sake of "public image"!)

My reading is that:

David is feeling very unhappily isolated and insecure....he wants someone to "argue" with him at the very least....(..and someone probably should, if only for the sake of discouraging David, from any acts of self-harm,)......he only has to reinstate "K" on his own site for this to transpire,..really not too much too ask for, in my opinion....he can always publicly claim that he is only doing so, out of the "kindness" of his heart and that he is giving "K" one "last chance" that he doesn't "really deserve at all"....

Excellent post Malcolm. You talk alot of sense there.

There are just so many questions which need answered yet Dave (former member of the notorious ''Children of God'') is trying to use Denise in an attempt to 'deflect'. Ultimately Denise is just Dave's pawn.

Where are the ex cult members? Are they safe and well?

What exactly has Dave done which has turned the whole group against him, to the extent that they're now even unwilling to give up a few hours of their time to help Dave set up the forum?

It was only 4-5 weeks ago Dave was trying to arrange a meeting with Sheila Johnson on behalf of the JCs so relations were obviously still strong up to that point. It seems there has been an incident which has occured almost overnight and whatever it is it seems Dave has really done it this time.



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Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by: zeuszor ()
Date: November 30, 2010 07:24AM

There's more to this than meets the eye. I say it's some kind of pretext, a diversion or something. Things are never as they seem with him.

In my opinion a meltdown like "Heaven's Gate," or some violent implosion of the group, is not likely. But you never know...I hope not.

McKay seems too narcissistic for that. In my opinion he loves himself too much to commit suicide or otherwise hurt himself.

Also, in my opinion and on the bright side, his consort probably serves as a control on him, a calming influence. Without her, God knows what he'd do.



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Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by: Apollo ()
Date: November 30, 2010 07:32AM

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zeuszor
You're welcome.

David McKay is a liar, a criminal child abuser, a fraudulent con man, a coward, and an all-around evil son of a bitch. David McKay is a vile and sinister agent of evil in the world, and when he dies it will be time to rejoice; his victims will then be assured that he will be unable to continue the crimes and evil activities that he so enjoys perpetrating. How many people, how many children has he abused over the years?

How many families has he ripped apart? How many of those relationships are now beyond repair?

Alot of these mothers and fathers have been given a life sentence thanks to Dave McKay (former member of the notorious ''Children of God'').



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Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by: zeuszor ()
Date: November 30, 2010 07:35AM

Indeed. God knows the damage he's done, over time. Indefensible. Evil. Just another type of serial predator.

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Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by: zeuszor ()
Date: November 30, 2010 07:37AM

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zeuszor
There's more to this than meets the eye. I say it's some kind of pretext, a diversion or something. Things are never as they seem with him.

In my opinion a meltdown like "Heaven's Gate," or some violent implosion of the group, is not likely. But you never know...I hope not.

McKay seems too narcissistic for that. In my opinion he loves himself too much to commit suicide or otherwise hurt himself.

Also, in my opinion and on the bright side, his consort probably serves as a control on him, a calming influence. Without her, God knows what he'd do.

A few years ago I was more concerned about some type of self-destructive end to the JCs, but not so much any more. Odds are they won't go out like that (so to speak) in my opinion.

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Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by: Apollo ()
Date: November 30, 2010 07:39AM

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zeuszor
There's more to this than meets the eye. I say it's some kind of pretext, a diversion or something. Things are never as they seem with him.

In my opinion a meltdown like "Heaven's Gate," or some violent implosion of the group, is not likely. But you never know...I hope not.

McKay seems too narcissistic for that. In my opinion he loves himself too much to commit suicide or otherwise hurt himself.

Also, in my opinion and on the bright side, his consort probably serves as a control on him, a calming influence. Without her, God knows what he'd do.

Zeuszor i must admit it has crossed my mind and until we hear from the ex members we can't write anything off. There is always the chance of implosion when you have one man who commands complete control over his followers.

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Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by: zeuszor ()
Date: November 30, 2010 07:43AM

No, we can't write anything off. I sure agree with you there.

Though I always thought that DM would try and do something really off the wall though before it was all over, like have his followers crucify him in public or something. Not to give him any ideas...

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Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by: Stoic ()
Date: November 30, 2010 07:51AM

'Where are the ex cult members? Are they safe and well?'

Yes, if there was good news on that front, I'd be happy never to hear of Davejc again. Particularly Joe who has reportedly had a recent renal surgery. There's a faint hope in the back of my mind that he reconsidered.

Davejc will probably withhold any concrete news as thats his last smidgeon of perceived power.


I hope the members were able to plan a little ahead for their escape and hang on to their personal papers etc.
I was a non-legal person for six years before I could apply for birth certificate, passport etc, etc. Not much fun, but infinitely better than staying put.

Withholding-- says it all really. Cults specialise in withholding everything that allows a human being to be a person.

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Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by: zeuszor ()
Date: November 30, 2010 07:52AM

The December newsletter should be out soon. We'll see.

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