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yasmin
Zeuszor????Huh? You just wrote it.
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"the ex members need to understand that they are an important part of JC history SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO WRITE THEM OUT OF IT DESPITE THEIR COMPLAINTS OF COLLATERAL DAMAGE"
You just said that you will continue to ignore the fact that they have complained that you have caused them collateral damage.
"We will continue..despite their complaints of collateral damage"
Hard to read it any other way Zeuszor...
What else could you have meant???
However; another long discussion ( again ) is no doubt going to go off topic which is after all about the group "the Jesus Christians"..If you want to continue this discussion perhaps we should start a new thread on the ethics of causing damage, whether "collateral" or not, to ex members. In mho, the whole idea is to protect all people from damage..
As it is, let us "focus like a lazer" on the actual topic "The Jesus Christian group"...
Yasmin, you have developed a pattern of either misrepresenting something that I did write to cast it in a negative light, or else attributing me as having written something that I never wrote at all. I can find and cite for you numerous examples of this, and this is what you are doing now. It gets on my nerves, so please stop it.
I have met many ex-members of the JCS who have told me a lot of things about what it's like as a member, my friend Malcolm among them. You know not of what you write on that point. The only ones that have given me no cooperation at all are McKay's kid and those involved in the split.
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Dave McKay embarrassed himself coming across as belligerent and nearly hysterical, stomping off the stage while his critics sat in shock at this display of childish temper when he was not getting his own way and controlling the flow of discussion. His detractors react in shock while maintaining their composure and credibility. To his further indignity, McKay even failed to control his Jesus Christian members, who defied his order not to speak and basically talked around the rattled McKay, who desperately tried to block their view of the audience. It is hilarious to watch the clips and see his quiet spoken wife, try to calmly carry on the interview, in face of Dave McKay’s tantrum. He finally gives up in disgust and takes a seat trying to get himself back into the discussion.
Thanks for your recent contributions, Agar. And the funny thing about it is, that it was DAVE'S idea to bring me on Jeremy Kyle to begin with! He thought that he could trick me into revealing my sources' names and then it all blew up in his face. Hence, Cult Leader Humiliates Himself.
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When I was on the JK show, DM started to babble about masturbation: "Who masturbates? Who masturbates?" He cried out while waving his hand up in the air as is to say "Me too!" Now I shall tell you about the exact context in which wanking was brought up as a topic for discussion. I remember it vividly, and that stuff never made it into the final cut, or therefore on the air.
It was close to the end of the show, and L was telling the audience about some of the odd particulars of JC doctrine; she told of how the males in the JCs are pressured into getting vasectomies, also she told about how DM encourages people to masturbate, not just that it was allowed, but encouraged. Of course all of the JCs on stage denied these things and said that she was lying.
L looked incredulous and disgusted. She said impatiently, "But it's on your website Dave. The whole world can read about it." Then DM said something like, "OK, I admit it. That's true. I masturbate. Who else masturbates? Who masturbates?" He was grinning and waving his arm in the air. Then he said "No, better yet, who in the audience HAS masturbated?"
There was a gasp of shock and disgust from the audience, a grumble of discomfort at DM's display of lack of self-control for shock value. L puckered her lips as if to express profound contempt. G. Baldwin shook his head ruefully. I simply stared at DM in amazement because I nearly literally couldn't believe what I was witnessing. J. Kyle told Dave that he was acting perverse and childish.
DM just giggled like he was pleased with himself, and the other JCs on stage laughed on cue also. It was a bizarre scene.
I think that DM must be somebody who is on the autistic spectrum. His lack of empathy, trouble with "theory of mind," his complete self-centeredness, his high intelligence and hyperlexicality, talent as a writer, lack of impulse control and social skills, it's all there. Yes, I say that he's on the spectrum. Add to that a deeply ingrained personality disorder (NPD) on top of all that and we have a very very dangerous combination.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2010 05:11AM by zeuszor.