Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
zeuszor
()
Date: November 11, 2009 09:40PM
JC revisionist history again. Note the differences between the two versions of "Divine Authority."
The old one:
[www.jesuschristians.net]
God has at this time and in this corner of the world, anointed me as his apostle. As long as I am doing my job right, he is not going to anoint someone else to rebel against me. If I get away from God, then I will lose my anointing and God will give authority to someone else to take my place. But beware! Just because you get a chance to start a rebellion, doesn't mean that you have authority nor that I have lost mine; and if I catch you rebelling, I will wield the rod of correction in obedience to God, since it is really God that you are rebelling against when you do that.
And the new one:
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
God has at this time and in our little community, anointed me to act as leader. As long as I am doing my job right, he is not going to anoint someone else to rebel against me. If I get away from God, then I will lose my anointing and God will give authority to someone else to take my place. But beware! Just because you get a chance to start a rebellion, doesn't mean that you have authority nor that I have lost mine; and if I catch you rebelling, I will pull no punches in correcting you, in obedience to God, since it is really God that you are rebelling against when you do that.
The old one:
[www.jesuschristians.net]
God has at this time and in this corner of the world, anointed me as his apostle. As long as I am doing my job right, he is not going to anoint someone else to rebel against me. If I get away from God, then I will lose my anointing and God will give authority to someone else to take my place. But beware! Just because you get a chance to start a rebellion, doesn't mean that you have authority nor that I have lost mine; and if I catch you rebelling, I will wield the rod of correction in obedience to God, since it is really God that you are rebelling against when you do that.
And the new one:
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
God has at this time and in our little community, anointed me to act as leader. As long as I am doing my job right, he is not going to anoint someone else to rebel against me. If I get away from God, then I will lose my anointing and God will give authority to someone else to take my place. But beware! Just because you get a chance to start a rebellion, doesn't mean that you have authority nor that I have lost mine; and if I catch you rebelling, I will pull no punches in correcting you, in obedience to God, since it is really God that you are rebelling against when you do that.
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Malcolm Wesley WREST
()
Date: November 13, 2009 06:39PM
Dear Zeusor,
Thank you for bringing this to everyones attention yet again.
In both versions, the "abuse of process" is so BLATANT (self justifying circular reasoning) that "divine authority" is nothing less than a statement from David detailing the extent of his own narcissim. The guiding principle is that there are no objective principles....ie. David is utterly unprincipled.
The Magna Carta established the modern "rule of law" in 1215 (the "King" (read the governing authorities whatever they be) are ALSO subject to the laws of the land)....David vainly imagines to himself that the "Kingdom of Heaven" is just so much feudal society, where he is appointed to perpetual rule, unaccountable to any other higher principles of equity.....the arrogance of this is just SO-O-O self evident!!
Thank you for bringing this to everyones attention yet again.
In both versions, the "abuse of process" is so BLATANT (self justifying circular reasoning) that "divine authority" is nothing less than a statement from David detailing the extent of his own narcissim. The guiding principle is that there are no objective principles....ie. David is utterly unprincipled.
The Magna Carta established the modern "rule of law" in 1215 (the "King" (read the governing authorities whatever they be) are ALSO subject to the laws of the land)....David vainly imagines to himself that the "Kingdom of Heaven" is just so much feudal society, where he is appointed to perpetual rule, unaccountable to any other higher principles of equity.....the arrogance of this is just SO-O-O self evident!!
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
free of DM
()
Date: November 18, 2009 05:02AM
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
zeuszor
()
Date: December 02, 2009 09:10PM
HISTORIC REPORT ON FOX NEWS
For the first time in more than thirty years of our existence, a disgruntled ex-
member, Jose-David, has appeared in front of a camera, to voice his gripes
against the Jesus Christians in general and Dave in particular. In fact, the
arguments that Jose gave were so vague and unsubstantiated, that Fox aired the
report just once (in a late night broadcast) and did not repeat it again. The
team working in Los Angeles has not been questioned by a single member of the
public in relation to the report.
Fox News producer, Tim Farrell, who made an earlier report on the Jesus
Christians three years ago, sunk to new lows by not even mentioning this time
that an attempt was made by Sheila Johnson and her thugs to kill one of our
members, when making their report. As was the case with the police in Long
Beach at the time, Fox News had access to an actual video of 13 seconds of an
attack which lasted for several minutes, and simply refused to show it. You
can see that video here:
[www.youtube.com]
Instead, they included a lot of sentimental talk about a mother who was
"robbed" of her baby (because Joe left home when he was 18 to become a Jesus
Christian).
But back to Jose and his historic statement: His worst accusation was that
Jesus Christians are "too high strung", and are "unthinking robots". Jose
obviously still hasn't gotten over being an unthinking robot, as he moved his
lips whenever Tim Farrell pulled the right strings. We wish to strongly urge
readers to examine for themselves what an unthinking robot Jose is when it
comes to defending his statements, by reading his posts on our forum, which
were made after the show went to air. They start here:
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
If you have the time, please back up to the start, where you can read the text
of the entire report, and read comments by others besides Jose.
The L.A. team wishes to announce that, prior to the Fox Report airing, Joe and
Jesse tried to arrange a meeting with Joe's parents in a restaurant for a face-
to-face attempt at dealing with their differences in a positive way. Sheila
announced that the only place where she would meet with Joe would be at a
police station or court house. Word is that she said this because she hoped to
issue Joe with an order to have him committed to a mental institution, as a way
of silencing him.
This is the same woman who damns the Jesus Christians for taking Joe away from
scholarship offers from such prestigious universities as Yale and UCLA. Her
claims that Joe is mentally unbalanced, which are TOTALLY false, would do more
to damage his potential for pursuing such an academic career than anything the
Jesus Christians have done.
Meanwhile, the L.A. team enjoyed continued close fellowship with Jesse's family
during the month, with Jesse's parents becoming like a second family to Joe and
others on that team.
INTERNATIONAL VOLUNTEERS DEPART
Just at the end of the month, schools in Kenya broke up for the month of
December, and so volunteers from Germany, Holland, England, South Africa, and
other parts of Kenya all departed, with plans to be back home for Christmas.
We had about 20 volunteers during the month of November.
Modifications to the reading program have produced amazing results in one local
school, after volunteers decided to focus their attention on just four classes
of students from grades two and three. In just five weeks, they were able to
get almost all of the students (some of whom did not even know the alphabet
when we started) through the first reading book in the series, most of the
students through three books, and several through five or six books. This is
the most dramatic results we have been able to achieve so far with the Easy
English program, and the teachers who participated in this intense program were
each awarded with either a bicycle or a sewing machine for their efforts. We
are hoping that these teachers will be able to pass on much of what they have
learned about how to use flashcards as a teaching aid, to other teachers, both
in that school and in neighbouring schools next year, as we expand the program
to include two other schools.
The children, too, have shown a great deal of enthusiasm, and without any
prompting from ourselves, we have noticed some of them making their own simple
flashcards out of scraps of cardboard. They are also using the sets which we
have produced to teach themselves, under supervision from the teachers.
We have had a couple of intense outreaches with books, one to Eldoret earlier
in the month, and one that is happening at the moment in Nairobi, where up to
800 books a day are being sold to locals. The arrival of Joe and Alf from the
U.S. and U.K. has added to our effectiveness in this form of outreach, and we
are looking forward to their continued leadership throughout the coming year.
RESEARCH FELLOW STAYING WITH OZ TEAM
An American student (Kelly) who is travelling the world as a research fellow,
studying recycling and freeganism, has temporarily "joined" the Australian team.
She had spent the previous three months living with Coptic Christian scavengers
in Cairo, Egypt, who live in a suburb called "Garbage City", where they recycle
the city's plastics. Kelly is particularly interested in how our Christian
faith related to our recycling efforts.
OLD ITEM OF INTEREST FROM IRELAND
We failed to include in an earlier newsletter, an encounter Paul and Ulrike had
with a policeman in Londonderry, Ireland. He wanted to know what they were
doing distributing literature in the city centre. They showed him what they
were handing out, and explained a bit about our faith, and he ended up
purchasing a copy from them, and wishing them all the best in their efforts!
FILMING IN FULL SWING IN LONDON
Alf and Sue spent many hours filming various personalities for the documentary
they are producing on the Mark of the Beast and related topics, which we hope
to release next year. Some of the sources of information include:
Attending a "freeconomy" conference, where Alf led a workshop on freeganism.
Interviewing Mark Boyle, who has recently released a book on his efforts to
live for one year without using money.
Interviewing "Foraging Fergus", a Brit who is famous for his efforts at
foraging wild food.
Interviewing Andy Hamilton, co-author of the "Self-Sufficiency Bible".
Interviewing an Australian Christian who has started an organisation called "We
the People Will not be Microchipped".
And interviewing top executives in the world of finance.
Distributing Record in London
Joe ended up stopping over for a few days in London on his way to Kenya and set
what may be a group record, by distributing 1054 DVDs in just one week.
The community is well on target to get out a colossal half a million books and
DVDs in twelve months, which began in April. This is exactly DOUBLE what we
used to do with the same number of members in years gone by.
NEW ARTICLES
Check out the latest articles on our web site (and some of the older ones as
well). Dave wrote the one below ("God's Kingdom") just a few days ago. It's
about the link between the gospels and The Revelation in the Bible.
HOT TOPICS ON THE FORUM
Please do visit our forum (and hopefully make a post yourself while there) to
see what is happening there. Many interesting topics were raised during the
month of November. Here are links to a few of them:
Christmas conspiracies! Definitely worth watching. A highly recommended two-
and-a-half-minute video produced by Christians in America.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
IBM takes over the verichip and is pushing to turn it into a mark for buying
and selling.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Scanners now being built into mobile phones (something we only IMAGINED might
happen when writing "Destroyers".)
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Fox Undercover ("Cover UP" more likely) did another report on us, but refused
to even interview us for it! Just more hate and lies from Sheila and (this
time) Jose-David!
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Things people admire about Americans.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Discussion of the tendency for Christian forums (both left wing and right wing)
to become totalitarian in their control.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
A new scripture function so that people can quickly access the actual passage
being quoted on the forum.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Are most church-goers following Jesus, Paul, or someone else?
[www.jesus-teachings.com]-
Is it possible for a Christian to baptise themselves?
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Alternative free-exchange systems.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
An apocalyptic preacher in California gets 175 years in jail for sex with
minors, while Amish rapists get probation for repeated offences.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Lessons to be learned from the Waldensians.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Rick Ross defends the Chinese Government against the supposedly evil Falun Gong.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
"Life Change Experiment" (guy who experimented living one year without using
money). also Mark Boyle thread.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
www.jesuschristians.com
For the first time in more than thirty years of our existence, a disgruntled ex-
member, Jose-David, has appeared in front of a camera, to voice his gripes
against the Jesus Christians in general and Dave in particular. In fact, the
arguments that Jose gave were so vague and unsubstantiated, that Fox aired the
report just once (in a late night broadcast) and did not repeat it again. The
team working in Los Angeles has not been questioned by a single member of the
public in relation to the report.
Fox News producer, Tim Farrell, who made an earlier report on the Jesus
Christians three years ago, sunk to new lows by not even mentioning this time
that an attempt was made by Sheila Johnson and her thugs to kill one of our
members, when making their report. As was the case with the police in Long
Beach at the time, Fox News had access to an actual video of 13 seconds of an
attack which lasted for several minutes, and simply refused to show it. You
can see that video here:
[www.youtube.com]
Instead, they included a lot of sentimental talk about a mother who was
"robbed" of her baby (because Joe left home when he was 18 to become a Jesus
Christian).
But back to Jose and his historic statement: His worst accusation was that
Jesus Christians are "too high strung", and are "unthinking robots". Jose
obviously still hasn't gotten over being an unthinking robot, as he moved his
lips whenever Tim Farrell pulled the right strings. We wish to strongly urge
readers to examine for themselves what an unthinking robot Jose is when it
comes to defending his statements, by reading his posts on our forum, which
were made after the show went to air. They start here:
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
If you have the time, please back up to the start, where you can read the text
of the entire report, and read comments by others besides Jose.
The L.A. team wishes to announce that, prior to the Fox Report airing, Joe and
Jesse tried to arrange a meeting with Joe's parents in a restaurant for a face-
to-face attempt at dealing with their differences in a positive way. Sheila
announced that the only place where she would meet with Joe would be at a
police station or court house. Word is that she said this because she hoped to
issue Joe with an order to have him committed to a mental institution, as a way
of silencing him.
This is the same woman who damns the Jesus Christians for taking Joe away from
scholarship offers from such prestigious universities as Yale and UCLA. Her
claims that Joe is mentally unbalanced, which are TOTALLY false, would do more
to damage his potential for pursuing such an academic career than anything the
Jesus Christians have done.
Meanwhile, the L.A. team enjoyed continued close fellowship with Jesse's family
during the month, with Jesse's parents becoming like a second family to Joe and
others on that team.
INTERNATIONAL VOLUNTEERS DEPART
Just at the end of the month, schools in Kenya broke up for the month of
December, and so volunteers from Germany, Holland, England, South Africa, and
other parts of Kenya all departed, with plans to be back home for Christmas.
We had about 20 volunteers during the month of November.
Modifications to the reading program have produced amazing results in one local
school, after volunteers decided to focus their attention on just four classes
of students from grades two and three. In just five weeks, they were able to
get almost all of the students (some of whom did not even know the alphabet
when we started) through the first reading book in the series, most of the
students through three books, and several through five or six books. This is
the most dramatic results we have been able to achieve so far with the Easy
English program, and the teachers who participated in this intense program were
each awarded with either a bicycle or a sewing machine for their efforts. We
are hoping that these teachers will be able to pass on much of what they have
learned about how to use flashcards as a teaching aid, to other teachers, both
in that school and in neighbouring schools next year, as we expand the program
to include two other schools.
The children, too, have shown a great deal of enthusiasm, and without any
prompting from ourselves, we have noticed some of them making their own simple
flashcards out of scraps of cardboard. They are also using the sets which we
have produced to teach themselves, under supervision from the teachers.
We have had a couple of intense outreaches with books, one to Eldoret earlier
in the month, and one that is happening at the moment in Nairobi, where up to
800 books a day are being sold to locals. The arrival of Joe and Alf from the
U.S. and U.K. has added to our effectiveness in this form of outreach, and we
are looking forward to their continued leadership throughout the coming year.
RESEARCH FELLOW STAYING WITH OZ TEAM
An American student (Kelly) who is travelling the world as a research fellow,
studying recycling and freeganism, has temporarily "joined" the Australian team.
She had spent the previous three months living with Coptic Christian scavengers
in Cairo, Egypt, who live in a suburb called "Garbage City", where they recycle
the city's plastics. Kelly is particularly interested in how our Christian
faith related to our recycling efforts.
OLD ITEM OF INTEREST FROM IRELAND
We failed to include in an earlier newsletter, an encounter Paul and Ulrike had
with a policeman in Londonderry, Ireland. He wanted to know what they were
doing distributing literature in the city centre. They showed him what they
were handing out, and explained a bit about our faith, and he ended up
purchasing a copy from them, and wishing them all the best in their efforts!
FILMING IN FULL SWING IN LONDON
Alf and Sue spent many hours filming various personalities for the documentary
they are producing on the Mark of the Beast and related topics, which we hope
to release next year. Some of the sources of information include:
Attending a "freeconomy" conference, where Alf led a workshop on freeganism.
Interviewing Mark Boyle, who has recently released a book on his efforts to
live for one year without using money.
Interviewing "Foraging Fergus", a Brit who is famous for his efforts at
foraging wild food.
Interviewing Andy Hamilton, co-author of the "Self-Sufficiency Bible".
Interviewing an Australian Christian who has started an organisation called "We
the People Will not be Microchipped".
And interviewing top executives in the world of finance.
Distributing Record in London
Joe ended up stopping over for a few days in London on his way to Kenya and set
what may be a group record, by distributing 1054 DVDs in just one week.
The community is well on target to get out a colossal half a million books and
DVDs in twelve months, which began in April. This is exactly DOUBLE what we
used to do with the same number of members in years gone by.
NEW ARTICLES
Check out the latest articles on our web site (and some of the older ones as
well). Dave wrote the one below ("God's Kingdom") just a few days ago. It's
about the link between the gospels and The Revelation in the Bible.
HOT TOPICS ON THE FORUM
Please do visit our forum (and hopefully make a post yourself while there) to
see what is happening there. Many interesting topics were raised during the
month of November. Here are links to a few of them:
Christmas conspiracies! Definitely worth watching. A highly recommended two-
and-a-half-minute video produced by Christians in America.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
IBM takes over the verichip and is pushing to turn it into a mark for buying
and selling.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Scanners now being built into mobile phones (something we only IMAGINED might
happen when writing "Destroyers".)
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Fox Undercover ("Cover UP" more likely) did another report on us, but refused
to even interview us for it! Just more hate and lies from Sheila and (this
time) Jose-David!
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Things people admire about Americans.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Discussion of the tendency for Christian forums (both left wing and right wing)
to become totalitarian in their control.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
A new scripture function so that people can quickly access the actual passage
being quoted on the forum.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Are most church-goers following Jesus, Paul, or someone else?
[www.jesus-teachings.com]-
Is it possible for a Christian to baptise themselves?
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Alternative free-exchange systems.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
An apocalyptic preacher in California gets 175 years in jail for sex with
minors, while Amish rapists get probation for repeated offences.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Lessons to be learned from the Waldensians.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
Rick Ross defends the Chinese Government against the supposedly evil Falun Gong.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
"Life Change Experiment" (guy who experimented living one year without using
money). also Mark Boyle thread.
[www.jesus-teachings.com]
www.jesuschristians.com
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Malcolm Wesley WREST
()
Date: December 11, 2009 12:50PM
For the "first time"?????
Myself, Liesel and Brian have all apeared in "front of a camera" to denounce McKay and the Jesus Christian fraud......
This assertion is an outright FABRICATION on the part of McKay in a cheap attempt to belittle Jose-David. Pathetically dishonest....
May God richly reward Jose-David for attempting to "save" those he still considers to be his friends trapped in servitude to snivelling Mckay......
Myself, Liesel and Brian have all apeared in "front of a camera" to denounce McKay and the Jesus Christian fraud......
This assertion is an outright FABRICATION on the part of McKay in a cheap attempt to belittle Jose-David. Pathetically dishonest....
May God richly reward Jose-David for attempting to "save" those he still considers to be his friends trapped in servitude to snivelling Mckay......
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Malcolm Wesley WREST
()
Date: December 21, 2009 11:53PM
"Distributing Record in London
Joe ended up stopping over for a few days in London on his way to Kenya and set
what may be a group record, by distributing 1054 DVDs in just one week.
The community is well on target to get out a colossal half a million books and
DVDs in twelve months, which began in April. This is exactly DOUBLE what we
used to do with the same number of members in years gone by."
...and YOU too!....have now graduated into one of Davids' newsboys, Joe!
After all thats what it's all really about David lying to you with the fabrication that he has the only "honest take" on the scripture that there is...and you Joe, learning to repress any discomfort in the thought that you'll spend the rest of your life "selling" David (David, who has spent his entire life garnering adulation for the ideas he stole from the Children of God, admonishing you to "forsake" your own life to the "cause"...
....worshiping David by working for him, hocking his work, encouraging others to 'forsake all" and live in servitude....
Despite what you tell me Joe, the "gloss" will have have well and truly worn off now...you'll see souls you once loved as "brother" or "sister" escaping from the Jesus Christians....and you'll have to set about killing your conscience by degrees in order to swallow the bullshit David (and appointed cronies) will be feeding you....they were not "worthy", "fell by the wayside", "looked back".....
You say that the JesusChristians wander their own little land,
But when I think about it Joe I don't see how you can
Sincerely your mind must be aching and your heart breaking,
to have hide the pain of dutifully turning on those
whom David tells you have "inexplicably" changed for the worse
and yet you know you can't explain why, can you Joe
Why is everybody changing?
so little time Joe, we'll all be literally passing on in time,
fading away to heavenly encounter
but you Joe!......If you don't keep "making records" in distribution, Joe
you find "spiritual" David will turn on you too,
and in the end you'll be making increasing efforts just to stay in the game
it'll become a nightmare tyring to recover the "good times" that once were
You'll start to lose connection with your former self and the God you once knew
all your "friends" in the JesusChristians will conspire against you on command....
when you're no longer the "poster boy".....it won't feel the same.....
although your secretly repressed hopes and fears will become more "keen"...
[www.youtube.com]
Joe ended up stopping over for a few days in London on his way to Kenya and set
what may be a group record, by distributing 1054 DVDs in just one week.
The community is well on target to get out a colossal half a million books and
DVDs in twelve months, which began in April. This is exactly DOUBLE what we
used to do with the same number of members in years gone by."
...and YOU too!....have now graduated into one of Davids' newsboys, Joe!
After all thats what it's all really about David lying to you with the fabrication that he has the only "honest take" on the scripture that there is...and you Joe, learning to repress any discomfort in the thought that you'll spend the rest of your life "selling" David (David, who has spent his entire life garnering adulation for the ideas he stole from the Children of God, admonishing you to "forsake" your own life to the "cause"...
....worshiping David by working for him, hocking his work, encouraging others to 'forsake all" and live in servitude....
Despite what you tell me Joe, the "gloss" will have have well and truly worn off now...you'll see souls you once loved as "brother" or "sister" escaping from the Jesus Christians....and you'll have to set about killing your conscience by degrees in order to swallow the bullshit David (and appointed cronies) will be feeding you....they were not "worthy", "fell by the wayside", "looked back".....
You say that the JesusChristians wander their own little land,
But when I think about it Joe I don't see how you can
Sincerely your mind must be aching and your heart breaking,
to have hide the pain of dutifully turning on those
whom David tells you have "inexplicably" changed for the worse
and yet you know you can't explain why, can you Joe
Why is everybody changing?
so little time Joe, we'll all be literally passing on in time,
fading away to heavenly encounter
but you Joe!......If you don't keep "making records" in distribution, Joe
you find "spiritual" David will turn on you too,
and in the end you'll be making increasing efforts just to stay in the game
it'll become a nightmare tyring to recover the "good times" that once were
You'll start to lose connection with your former self and the God you once knew
all your "friends" in the JesusChristians will conspire against you on command....
when you're no longer the "poster boy".....it won't feel the same.....
although your secretly repressed hopes and fears will become more "keen"...
[www.youtube.com]
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
zeuszor
()
Date: December 22, 2009 12:12AM
Mal, how have you been? You know, I'm kinda irritated. Care to know why?
The Dude Abides!
The Dude Abides!
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
muppet
()
Date: December 25, 2009 09:57PM
Peace, goodwill and christmas blessings to everyone who reads this, including ALL of the Jesus Christians and ALL of their families and loved ones.
[www.youtube.com]
[www.youtube.com]
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Malcolm Wesley WREST
()
Date: December 26, 2009 12:27AM
You ARE very good-willed muppet....!
May God will that Joe and the other souls who have been led to sell themselves out for a sad old excuse for the "Kingdom of Heaven" somehow have a Merry Xmas....
....and of course may David fittingly receive back exactly the same "goodwill" and "Christmas spirit" that he sees fit to dole out to his "enemies" in this joyous season!
May God will that Joe and the other souls who have been led to sell themselves out for a sad old excuse for the "Kingdom of Heaven" somehow have a Merry Xmas....
....and of course may David fittingly receive back exactly the same "goodwill" and "Christmas spirit" that he sees fit to dole out to his "enemies" in this joyous season!
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Malcolm Wesley WREST
()
Date: December 26, 2009 10:58PM
From the latest newsletter,
OLD ITEM OF INTEREST FROM IRELAND
We failed to include in an earlier newsletter, an encounter Paul and Ulrike had
with a policeman in Londonderry, Ireland. He wanted to know what they were
doing distributing literature in the city centre. They showed him what they
were handing out, and explained a bit about our faith, and he ended up
purchasing a copy from them, and wishing them all the best in their efforts!
This is such an OLD item of deceit...
Individuals may "congratulate" the individual members of the litnessing teams, becasue they actually are misinformed about the JC's. They do not know that young people are duped into turning over everything that they own to a religious organization that has no "independant auditing" or "vetting" of it's accounts and that does not pay a penny to those who spend their lives "selling" the self important literature of David (with theology fliched from David Berg of the COG's)...and who have no legal protection whatsoever, the vast majority being turned out onto the streets without a cent, once they dare "cross" McKay...
My God, I can remember David trying to twist similar incidents into "spontaneous demonstrations" of support when I was a member some thirty years ago...the policeman in Londonderry has no idea what the JesusChristians are actually on about.....hence his "support" for the misrepresentation that Paul and Ulrike made
...anyone who genuinely knows the organization, pities those involved and despises the the trite "theology" David trots out in prostitution of the scripture.....
OLD ITEM OF INTEREST FROM IRELAND
We failed to include in an earlier newsletter, an encounter Paul and Ulrike had
with a policeman in Londonderry, Ireland. He wanted to know what they were
doing distributing literature in the city centre. They showed him what they
were handing out, and explained a bit about our faith, and he ended up
purchasing a copy from them, and wishing them all the best in their efforts!
This is such an OLD item of deceit...
Individuals may "congratulate" the individual members of the litnessing teams, becasue they actually are misinformed about the JC's. They do not know that young people are duped into turning over everything that they own to a religious organization that has no "independant auditing" or "vetting" of it's accounts and that does not pay a penny to those who spend their lives "selling" the self important literature of David (with theology fliched from David Berg of the COG's)...and who have no legal protection whatsoever, the vast majority being turned out onto the streets without a cent, once they dare "cross" McKay...
My God, I can remember David trying to twist similar incidents into "spontaneous demonstrations" of support when I was a member some thirty years ago...the policeman in Londonderry has no idea what the JesusChristians are actually on about.....hence his "support" for the misrepresentation that Paul and Ulrike made
...anyone who genuinely knows the organization, pities those involved and despises the the trite "theology" David trots out in prostitution of the scripture.....
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