Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Date: June 05, 2008 02:01PM
At the risk of even more angry responses, I will respond to questions to me.
I would also like to apologize for coming off so angry, but it is only because I am angry. I realize the intent of this particular thread is David McKay and the Jesus Christians, and you will notice I have NEVER posted an 'angry' response to anything said about my brother. If Brian had simply posted that David McKay never visits his mother, even though I know that he visits her almost every year, I would have remained silent. But, Brian chose to post here [as factual evidence] things that my mother supposedly told him that I know to be untrue. THAT does make me angry, but I still believe it palls in comparison to some of the anger I see here. Malcolm, if that makes me a "gullible dunce", I can live with that if it will keep my mother out of your fight with David.
Muppet, thank you for your open mind and questions. I will endeavor to answer them to the best of my knowledge.
[Quote: Muppet: I was not aware that your mother was being stalked. Can you please provide more information about this?]
[Quote: Muppet: I will repeat again the support that you seek from here for your mother. I do not condone harassment or stalking and am most concerned about these serious allegations. Please provide further details as soon as possible so that we can respond to this alarming allegation.]
Last December, Brian called my mother in the nursing home presenting himself as knowing Dave personally, and writing a biography about him. He posted a lengthy letter on this forum with many things my mother allegedly told him. The main topic of this forum seems to be against tearing families apart, yet all of the things my mother is supposed to have said about David seems to serve NO purpose on this forum other than to damage any relationship my mother might have with David. The end result being my mother was very broken up about it and asked if there was anything I could do.
How did Brian come to contact my mother?
[Quote: Private Eyes: However, in regards to your post. I will claim some responsibly for Zeuszor's actions and apologise for the distress it may have caused your Mother. Some time ago I passed on some biographical information on the McKay family that would have allowed Zeuszor to be able to contact her. He was asked not to use the information and to his credit, he sat on the information for probably 5 months. The purpose of obtaining the information was to have a professional researcher contact your Mother and possibly other family members to obtain strictly biographical information on Dave's background. Where he went to school, worked, etc. I believe another person conducting research contacted your Mother and I can only assume Zeuszor became frustrated and decided to make his own inquiries. The comments should not have been posted on Rick Ross and the information he gained ie your Mother doesn't like you type comments, was not the type of information that we were hoping to gain.]
[Quote: Zeuszor: I have always aimed to portray myself with absolute transparency here. I did what I did with the blessing and under the counsel of other concerned mothers, and was not acting as a "Lone Ranger" on that operation. Sic semper tyrannus, McKay. You can dish it out, but you can't take it. Turnabout is fair play, huh?]
You decide if he was absolutely transparent with Private Eyes (based on his words, not mine), if he was totally upfront with my mother, if what he posted falls in the realm of research, and what it is that I have dished out that makes this Turnabout fair play. I am neither the first (or probably last) person on this forum to suggest that Brian's methods of obtaining contact information are borderline stalking.
[Quote: RRmoderator(pg202): I agree. It is important not to attack people personally or have any kind of vendetta. "Two wrongs don't make a right." It seems to me that Dave McKay has hurt his own family, along with the many other families hurt by his behavior through his group. And whatever pain the McKay family has experienced should not be used here to fuel any argument. To the extent that the McKay family wishes to be heard publicly, should be their choice.]
[Quote: Apostate: Is that really the "only" assumption you can make? Bit narrow don't you think? Here's a possible assumption which is not so judgmental. Nobody knows an attack on her continues.]
Apostate, your post was in response to my post which pasted some of Brian's post from the top of page 306 where this time Brian said he has "met" my mother, and again uses her supposed words to try and convince someone reading the forum that David must be a snake, because his own mother believes so. Numerous readers (including you) posted since Brian's latest post on 306, so I apologize if I came off as judgmental assuming that readers of this forum read Brian's posts. When Brian again posts links to the very information that even the RRmoderator said should not be used to fuel any argument, and this time, no one objects, for days afterwards, I do jump to conclusions. Thank you RRmoderator, at least one person believes this information is an unjust attack on my mother.
[Quote: Muppet: Are you saying that the information in the ' Great Escape ' (written by Dave) is wrong? If so I would try to rectify the information I posted.]
I am unfamiliar with the 'Great Escape' but it appears Private Eyes has answered this question for you. My name is Rob, not Ron. I have never been a part of the JCs or visited any of their compounds.
What amazes me, is that no one on this forum questions ANYTHING out of Brian's mouth if it supports a negative image of David. I saw post after post of concerned individuals urging David to visit his mother he had not visited in several years based on what Brian says my mother told him. Yet, even though I live 2 miles from my mother’s nursing home, and am present each time my brother visits her, I must PROVE that what Brian is saying is wrong.
[Quote: Zeuszor: I do not think it's really DM's brother at all, but an impostor; if it really were DM's brother, he'd of realized that I was not the first nor the only person to have called DM's mother that day. Can you somehow prove or show reasonable evidence that you are who you say you are, Mr. Offended?]
It's also quite amazing that this SAME thing happened when I asked Brian to leave my mother alone back in pages 200-204. Brian's memory is failing or otherwise he would remember asking me the first letter of his "partner's" name who also called my mother that day (but not stalking). In addition to posting it on the top of pg 204, I posted a photo of my mother's hometown newspaper, with the local newschannel on tv in the background. I apologize to RR for creating a new profile, but I was unable to log on with my original account (Aghast), and I have a different email address now so I cannot get my old password. I realize this is a violation of forum rules (1 person cannot have 2 accounts) but I believe the rule is to prevent deception, and I am up front here in that I only created Offended because I can’t seem to log into Aghast.
[Quote: Zeuszor: You can dish it out, but you can't take it. Turnabout is fair play, huh?]
Fair enough Brian. If everyone on the forum is here on equal grounds, prove what you say my mother told you actually transpired? Somehow I doubt the forum would dismiss all this good dirt just because you couldn’t prove it to be true, but I am expected to prove who I am, simply because I wish to defend my mother. However, you said my mother told this same information to your ‘partner’. Could you provide me with a link to your partner’s posts stating what my mother told her? Not that I would assume you are a Lone Ranger, but you use the term blessing of mothers, and partner quite literally to lend credence to your statements. I know them to be false, (turnabout is fair play), prove them to be true.
. To all posters on this forum, your credibility with new readers to this forum will always be questioned if you only question the validity of things opposing your point of view.
Private Eyes, please correct me if anything I have presented here is inaccurate, or if I have unjustly accused anyone of anything on this forum, other than dragging my mother into your fight against the advice of the RRmoderator.