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Extraordinary claims require extra ordinary proof.

Last July (2011) Serge stood in front of his Friday night meetings followers (200 at least) and animatedly predicted that Sydney would be hit by a freak tornado in the coming November, and that specifically Kirribilly would be hit.
Nothing ever happened of course.
No-one IMHO can predict the future, and to try to do so is an ego-centric act which blasts credibiity out of the water.

Other than that, I find Serge entertaining, especially when he asks for a standing ovation at the end of his lecture because, he justifies, we are actually clapping furiously for ourselves, and not for him. He, of course is elevated above all need for praise and adoration. It's all good fun.

This was posted way back on page 11 of this forum. This is the kind of stuff i am looking for. If anyone is reading this forum who has not yet contributed please PM me or post on the forum what you have heard. I need specifics please

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Breast 'therapy' slammed

[m.northernstar.com.au]

The above article is incorrect in stating that Benhayon's sons have been trained in 'esoric breast massage'.
Only female practitioners perform it. Apart from that unfortunate error, a solid article.

From what I know, Serges son Curtis is actually qualified in the women's breast massage. Apparently he is the only male besides Serge that is 'Clear' enough to preform this technique.

Hi Gibbs.

My understanding is that not even Serge has performed the technique. When he initially trained the practitioners, he simulated the movements using Miranda as a client, then the practitioners practiced on each other until the technique was deemed ready for the public. Curtis performs general massage for men and women, but I think you'll find the 'esoteric breast massage' is performed strictly by women only. Evidence to the contrary is, of course, welcome.

Interesting bit from Serge's new age message

The Etheric Spirit impulsed human beings just want to live as they wish, do
whatever they desire and or like and, they want if not expect to getaway with all
of it as if it all did not affect any other or the planet it is all taking place on. If the
truth of life was indeed that we are born and die and have a single life to
do/make what we do/of it etc, then perhaps one could hold that right to be in self
as a centralised figure that wants and needs whatever they want and need
irrespective of the same right that applies to each and every other of the six
billion plus cohabitants not to mention the planet and its living body and all
other life it supports. Add to those wishes and wants the complications that arise
as a result of what others do to us as they wield their own wishes and desires,
and we end up with a wish list that includes –
a. The desire to withdraw and seek comfort and numbness because we have
been hurt by the desires or needs of others
b. Wanting to fight back and become mean, harsh and or harming as a way to
protect oneself
c. Seeking pleasure in whatever brings the solutions one thinks are going to
be the answers, such as –
1. Pursue a life of wealth building and then use the complications and
single-minded drives to distract you from your hurts if not use the
money once it is made to buy you the distractions
2. Find a cushy job and hide – do as much as is necessary to not get fired
and use the wages to further cushion your life
3. Become despondent and unapproachable or just plain angry and that
way, you will be left alone or avoided
4. Hide in the web of social victimhood
5. Seek a cause to follow and be driven by – there are lots of ‘things’ to save
and to be taken by such a cause also takes you away from the real hurts
you carry
6. Seek a criminal way so as to fightback
7. Use corruption to gain even if it is at the expense of many others … this
way you and your family get taken care of
8. Learn to play music so that you can hide or indulge your unresolved
emotions
9. Play sport so that the body hardens and or better still – compete so that
it is all about that and not what is really going on deep inside you, etc,
etc, etc.
d. Finding a religion, a guru, a sect or a cult etc and live under their ideals,
beliefs, tenets etc … this way you do not have to deal with any of your deep
hurts as they will provide the answers for you if not absolve and wash all
the hurts away
e. Becoming famous or so-called important via the many avenues available ---
avenues that bring you to be unchallenged by the sycophants that adorn
your life
f. And or, seeking the ultimate way to make life your seemingly un-hurtinglife
by using drugs/alcohol and whatever it takes to numb-out the pain that
never goes away.
The above list is but a brief summary, points of which describe the centralised
way we seek to carve out a life for ourselves irrespective of all others who also live
and have their own version of their carved-out-way. Then, there are of course the
organisations/ institutions/ religions that can offer you all of the above under the
one umbrella.

Just for the record, Universal Medicine are actively engaged in a campaign of censorship by removing dissenting comments from their Facebook page. At least one was removed this morning. The students offering supportive comments are engaged in a more disturbing, tragic form of self-censorship: they're strategically omitting any reference to the supernatural claims Serge makes or their own beliefs in said claims. Note to students: you're beliefs are not illegal. If you honestly think they are based on an edifice of solid evidence, then have the courage to express them in full. Censoring the true nature of the UM belief system is intellectually dishonest, and just indicates that you're prepared to lie to yourselves and others in order to defend your not-a-leader and his not-a-cult.

For those new to this forum it would be worth reading Serge's new age message. As noted in a recent newspaper article Serge certainly suffers from " GOD COMPLEX"

Here in part is an interesting read .... he certainly covers himself off nicely by saying that he can predict however dont hold him to it because the prediction itself is not the important part. Serge you are the KING OF SPIN!

Perhaps the next reporter who knocks on your door should well ask you.... how do you poccess such supernatural god like powers to know this information.

To read in full click on the link

[study.universalmedicine.com.au]


One can accurately say that – the year that was 2011, is a showcase of all of
UniMed’s predictions coming true. In fact, the decade that was 2001 to the end of
2011 was a living treatise of what was predicted. Not that one takes pleasure in
announcing or prophesying the rise and rise of illness and disease or the
planetary ‘disasters’ as they are commonly but erroneously referred to.
The role of a true Seer is not to be accurate in one’s predictions. Their role is to
present, teach and describe with energetic accuracy – the what is. Part of that
duty includes the prophetic nature of what ‘the what is’ reveals and from that
what it foretells.
There is here a distinction the student ought to understand. A true Seer knows
that it is not the end result that constitutes the accuracy. It is the correct
energetic reading of ‘the what is’ that holds the key to what is going to happen or
not. The accuracy if not the crucial aspect of the foretelling is in the quality of the
Seer reading the energetic quality of ‘the what is’ in its relationship to the ‘all
there is’ at the time of the reading. Therefore, the end result is determined not by
the words said or foretold, but by a series of magnetic outplays. This simply
means that the end result will be governed if not determined by the
adhering/heeding, aligning and responding to the revelation as stated by the
reading of ‘the what is’ OR, by the resistance and rejection of it. Of curious if not
major interest to the student is the fact that the accuracy of the foretold disasters
that have taken place, including those made in relation to our illness and
diseases, are not due to the Seer’s accuracy in predicting the future but rather
that the accuracy is delivered by the inaction or reaction to the corrections or
healing that are needed. Hence, it is the masses and their collective behaviours
that create the predicted possibilities that either fulfil or are changed before they
occur.

There is also another factor to contend with in regards to forecasting the future.
The key word here is ‘momentum’. A true Seer understands that a reading of ‘the
what is’ contains two parts. The first part is the reading of the present as a whole,
that is, ‘the what is’ in relation to the ‘all there is’. And the second part is to take
into full account all that has led to that point the Seer will hold as being the
‘present’. The energetic reading of the ‘present’ (a moment the Seer feels from his
or her Fifth Dimensional standing), takes into account the overall behaviour of
humanity or of those in a specific locality/region and the attitude, drive, and
intent behind their chosen way of life. This is then accorded time and space, that
is, is it a new and introduced behaviour, drive and intent or, is it old and thus a
long held series of attitudes and intentions that come from a long-held way of
being. In other words, what is the momentum? The latter, the ‘momentums’, are
harder to arrest. This means that in many cases, the correction that is called for,
that is, the calamity/cataclysm/ disaster/rise in illness and disease etc, become
the only way to arrest certain behaviours, and or, ask those involved to consider
different their ways and intentions of being.
That said, the study at hand brings a far more important point than any
revelation about a Seer or what he/she does if in-truth they are a Seer. And thus
the importance of the preamble before you –
Human history has shown us that we, ‘we’ meaning the majority, do little to
change as we dispel or ignore the very clear signs that are afforded by the rises
of illness and disease and, by those offered via our disasters and cataclysms. It
is this factor that needs care-full and very dedicated attention. Why the
dedicated attention? – Because it is in the rejection/dispelling and or in the
resistance to the clear messages, supported by the accurately predicted ills and
disasters, that then give-rise to their greater corrective forces, that is, for the
ills to become graver and the disasters to get larger/bigger, more vast and
frequent as they are magnetically called by the Harmonious Energy we are all
magnetically pulled to be in accordance with.
And thus, the ‘corrections’ are all forms of discarding and or healing what does
not belong to the all under the Law of Harmony that calibrates the all as one
life.
And hence why ‘all that we do has an impact on everything’ is so crucially a
needed teaching if not a way of life we need to very quickly re-establish.
It is crucial that these words be studied, adhered to and thus acted on. It is the
desire of any true Seer that any reading of a calamitous nature/warning not come
true by the correction offered from the reading itself. That said, few true Seers
exist let alone the masses willing to listen or change their ways accordingly.
The dilemma is here not in the Seer but in the masses and what they will do with
the offering/help when it is indeed available. On that note, much truly good
change has already occurred but, much momentum is still to be cleared, for
humanity has ignored the offerings of the last era/cycle it was in, choosing
instead to continue a loveless path that saw abuse and its many forms increase
and spread rather than decrease and isolate to the stubborn few as offered by the
energy of the last cycle we have just completed.
The ignorance to what is energetically there for us all to adhere to, and the
insistence to make human life that which is impulsed by the spirit as opposed to
one’s Soul leads this Seer to conclude this preamble with the following --
By way of concise prophecy -- expect the same if not with increasing intensity,
similar to the year that was 2011 for the next 50 years … the first fifty years of
the New Era.

And forget not that mankind has the opportunity to correct and adjust or,
make far worse and far more intense the needed corrections.
The ‘corrections’ here refereed to are those that relate to where we should be in
relation to the cycles that govern our life and the planet we live on. The human
race, as a whole, is very much behind where it ought to be. That said, it can
be said that certain individuals are not so far behind whilst some are up-tospeed
so to speak. A certain few are ahead of time, or, as it should be more
accurately stated – have been responsibly adhering to the call and thus have
made choices that are not self-centralised or driven by any other light other
than that which emanates from their Soul in accordance to the Fiery Plan.

Universal Medicine wishes you a joy-full New Era.
Please make full use of these messages/teachings that are free-of charge for all.
And share with any other/s who are ready to consider if not take heed. Universal
Medicine, as a unit of service for the impulse it serves, will continue to provide
such services as the call permits.
Consider that this New Year’s message is somewhat special if not monumentally
unique by virtue of what it marks. Not only is it a New Year we are entering into,
but a New Era or New Cycle

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Extraordinary claims require extra ordinary proof.

Last July (2011) Serge stood in front of his Friday night meetings followers (200 at least) and animatedly predicted that Sydney would be hit by a freak tornado in the coming November, and that specifically Kirribilly would be hit.
Nothing ever happened of course.
No-one IMHO can predict the future, and to try to do so is an ego-centric act which blasts credibiity out of the water.

Other than that, I find Serge entertaining, especially when he asks for a standing ovation at the end of his lecture because, he justifies, we are actually clapping furiously for ourselves, and not for him. He, of course is elevated above all need for praise and adoration. It's all good fun.

This was posted way back on page 11 of this forum. This is the kind of stuff i am looking for. If anyone is reading this forum who has not yet contributed please PM me or post on the forum what you have heard. I need specifics please

Sorry frodobaggins there is one other person who CAN predict the future.....my husband.
He very accurately predicted the exact words Serge would use to back peddle after the Sun Herald interview was published.
I'm beginning to think now that he knows all the 'tricks of the trade' I should set him up as the new Golden Guru and we can also make millions!
By the way one of my husbands pet peeves with Serge is also exactly what you say, these lectures are meant to be about the students, but he makes people stand and clap him.........he just walks up and down the stage smiling.

Hi KIK,

as an estimate at the end of last week this site had just over 20,000 hits and today there has near been 24000 hits.........so yes over the weekend there has been a fair amount of interest on UM.

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Hey John, how have the views on this site been going, I bet we sparked some interest over the weekend hey?

From the 'New Era' message:

[study.universalmedicine.com.au]

"It can be said that this year’s message is a message that will be very much alive and relative to and for the next 2600 years (approx)"

While vague, I think that probably qualifies as a prediction worth noting.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/2012 08:08AM by MacReady.

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Breast 'therapy' slammed

[m.northernstar.com.au]

The above article is incorrect in stating that Benhayon's sons have been trained in 'esoric breast massage'.
Only female practitioners perform it. Apart from that unfortunate error, a solid article.

From what I know, Serges son Curtis is actually qualified in the women's breast massage. Apparently he is the only male besides Serge that is 'Clear' enough to preform this technique.

Hi Gibbs.

My understanding is that not even Serge has performed the technique. When he initially trained the practitioners, he simulated the movements using Miranda as a client, then the practitioners practiced on each other until the technique was deemed ready for the public. Curtis performs general massage for men and women, but I think you'll find the 'esoteric breast massage' is performed strictly by women only. Evidence to the contrary is, of course, welcome.

Thanks MacReady,

I was told this by a long term student a few years ago.

The words were, 'Curtis is the only person besides Serge that is clear enough to preform women's breast massage'. I may have interpreted wrong and perhaps Curtis does not preform breast massage on clients. The student may have been suggesting that he was merely 'clear' enough to do so.

Thanks mate

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Hi KIK,

as an estimate at the end of last week this site had just over 20,000 hits and today there has near been 24000 hits.........so yes over the weekend there has been a fair amount of interest on UM.

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Hey John, how have the views on this site been going, I bet we sparked some interest over the weekend hey?