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It's quite possible that Serge really is capable of these amazing powers though, so I'd be keen to see him perform this exercise with a group of the scientists that he frequently claims he would like to debate on such matters. I'm sure they'd be most interested in experiencing this phenomena first hand for themselves, and recording/publishing the
results for the global scientific community to peer review.

This wouldnt impress skeptics but would worry any UM readers whose doubts are daring to stir.

Am sure I will be open to accusations of obsession and nitpicking. However, when doing evidence based research, these are useful qualities.

If I were ever to need heart surgery, Id want the surgeon and nursing team to have those qualities.

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"The most convincing entity sessions I witnessed was not like the pairing up. It was two separate times with a bout 6 different people. It was a fair while ago but I remember Serge would select a volunteer from the audience (joking one time about how the person was coached on what to say). Serge would stand at the back of the room while the person sat or stood on the stage. He would then ask the person questions like 'what do you think of when you think of the word Love?" There was a 8-10 year old young girl this time and she answered Mom, Dad, happy, friends, etc.. After several other questions, he would then stop take a moment and announce the entity had entered. You could see the girl become fidgety and distracted with a mischievous grin on her face and Serge would ask the same question 'what do you think of when you think of the word Love?" the first word that came out of her mouth was pain, I cant remember it all in detail but all the words meanings were turned upside down after the entity was reportedly in. I saw grown men speak and express clearly before the possession and during the possession be lost for words and in tears because they simply said they could not feel/express the meaning of the word/s. Serge goes on to say we should not fear entities because they are just like you and me and cannot make us do anything without our permission. They are just lost and on the same path back to God like the rest of us.
Sayings like 'He wasn't himself', I don't know what came over him', 'I've never seen him like that before', ;He was beside himself', are all said to be example of when a person has allowed possession"

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I would think being made an example (even if willingly) by a charismatic leader who claims extraordinary powers, in front of a large audience of believers would add immeasurably to the suggestibility of the subject in this exercise.
Anyone who even halfway believes this stuff before going up on stage is going to be open to psychological
manipulation when assured by Serge that 'the entity has now entered'. Consider also that the very common trait of
fear of public speaking or appearing before a crowd would add to the intensity of the experience. Lastly, the emphasis UM places on digging up long buried hurts and traumas, 'nominating your baggage' for clearing/healing could likely
play into the alleged results in an exercise such as described.

Young children in particular are especially malleable, and if their parents have told them that Serge can put entities in them, rest assured they're going to believe it. I would have to concur with others who have found this particular
testimonial a worrying example of Serge's willingness to psychologically manipulate students. Any parent attending UM
workshops should be allowing children to reach full maturity before they decide for themselves whether to participate
or not.

For their own health and safety, children under 18 cannot legally drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. Why on earth
would a parent allow a child to be manipulated by an 'esoteric' leader into believing they've been possessed by astral
entities? Again, if Serge has the courage of his convictions, then perhaps he should perform this particular exercise in
front of a national news crew and explain it to a broader audience, all the while assuring everyone that he and UM are really nothing to worry about. After all, despite being Da Vinci, Pythagoras, Plato, Alice A. Bailey and others
reincarnated, he's no different from anyone else, everyone can access these powers, etc.

Note: Serge claims that murder, rape, suicide, pedophilia etc are all the result of entities entering and manipulating the perpetrator. How then can he claim that entities have no real power and as such are nothing to worry about? I would like to see him address this contradiction in his belief system while demonstrating this exercise before a news crew.

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This stood out to me from your posting, Gibbs, and if anyone can add to this I would appreciate it:

"The most convincing entity sessions I witnessed was not like the pairing up. It was two separate times with a bout 6 different people. It was a fair while ago but I remember Serge would select a volunteer from the audience (joking one time about how the person was coached on what to say). Serge would stand at the back of the room while the person sat or stood on the stage. He would then ask the person questions like 'what do you think of when you think of the word Love?" There was a 8-10 year old young girl this time and she answered Mom, Dad, happy, friends, etc.. After several other questions, he would then stop take a moment and announce the entity had entered. You could see the girl become fidgety and distracted with a mischievous grin on her face and Serge would ask the same question 'what do you think of when you think of the word Love?" the first word that came out of her mouth was pain, I cant remember it all in detail but all the words meanings were turned upside down after the entity was reportedly in. I saw grown men speak and express clearly before the possession and during the possession be lost for words and in tears because they simply said they could not feel/express the meaning of the word/s. Serge goes on to say we should not fear entities because they are just like you and me and cannot make us do anything without our permission. They are just lost and on the same path back to God like the rest of us.
Sayings like 'He wasn't himself', I don't know what came over him', 'I've never seen him like that before', ;He was beside himself', are all said to be example of when a person has allowed possession."


As a parent I find it pretty horrific that anyone would allow their child to be a part of this. To me, it appears as a parlor trick, but whatever the validity of it, to subject your child to some form of possession in the interests of illustrating a point seems extremely questionable behavior.

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The use of italics in both black and red font is confusing. Very confusing.

Which is why I agree with treefern.

Enough is enough.

Am eager to learn yet more about the food behaviors, especially as treeferm reports that SB gives changing directives as to the diet--surely a way to keep anyone anxious who takes such stuff seriously.

If we can get a rounded and detailed picture of the diet as actually practiced by dedicated UM people, we may gather information here that will assist people to understand that extreme dieting, rather than 'entities' could be an important contributing cause to UM people's sufferings.

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This stood out to me from your posting, Gibbs, and if anyone can add to this I would appreciate it:

"The most convincing entity sessions I witnessed was not like the pairing up. It was two separate times with a bout 6 different people. It was a fair while ago but I remember Serge would select a volunteer from the audience (joking one time about how the person was coached on what to say). Serge would stand at the back of the room while the person sat or stood on the stage. He would then ask the person questions like 'what do you think of when you think of the word Love?" There was a 8-10 year old young girl this time and she answered Mom, Dad, happy, friends, etc.. After several other questions, he would then stop take a moment and announce the entity had entered. You could see the girl become fidgety and distracted with a mischievous grin on her face and Serge would ask the same question 'what do you think of when you think of the word Love?" the first word that came out of her mouth was pain, I cant remember it all in detail but all the words meanings were turned upside down after the entity was reportedly in. I saw grown men speak and express clearly before the possession and during the possession be lost for words and in tears because they simply said they could not feel/express the meaning of the word/s. Serge goes on to say we should not fear entities because they are just like you and me and cannot make us do anything without our permission. They are just lost and on the same path back to God like the rest of us.
Sayings like 'He wasn't himself', I don't know what came over him', 'I've never seen him like that before', ;He was beside himself', are all said to be example of when a person has allowed possession."


As a parent I find it pretty horrific that anyone would allow their child to be a part of this. To me, it appears as a parlor trick, but whatever the validity of it, to subject your child to some form of possession in the interests of illustrating a point seems extremely questionable behavior.

Yes, it would beg further investigation.

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Note: Serge claims that murder, rape, suicide, pedophilia etc are all the result of entities entering and manipulating the perpetrator. How then can he claim that entities have no real power and as such are nothing to worry about?

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Seems to me like a visit from some sort of parenting agency to the parents involved might be a good idea. I can not believe they allowed this happen to their child. I am really shocked by this.

Has this happened more than once? Is it a regular practice?