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If you would like to have proof of how the cult encourages inappropriate disclosure of personal information and then rewards that behavior, read this blog by one of our favorite cult bloggers:
KYLA TELLS ALL, AGAIN

This detail from Kyla's testimonial sounds familiar:

"My first experience of sex left a lot to be desired – I was 13 years old"

It seems to be a recurring theme when it comes to Serge Benhayon.

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From one of the cult websites:

Comments Policy

Genuine inquiry and interest, criticism and skepticism are welcome.

Nothing is further from the truth than this.

A simple test, for anyone unsure as to validity of what I say. Go on to any UM blog (words on serge, truth about universal medicine etc etc). Ask a polite question that is not gushing in its praise for UM or the blog post you are commenting on. Wait for the comment to be published. And wait. And wait. And wait. And then give up in the knowledge these blogs are censored advertising for UM that will allow no question, no inquiry, and nothing that may spark a hint of true, open, honest debate.

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From one of the cult websites:

Comments Policy

Genuine inquiry and interest, criticism and skepticism are welcome.

Nothing is further from the truth than this.

A simple test, for anyone unsure as to validity of what I say. Go on to any UM blog (words on serge, truth about universal medicine etc etc). Ask a polite question that is not gushing in its praise for UM or the blog post you are commenting on. Wait for the comment to be published. And wait. And wait. And wait. And then give up in the knowledge these blogs are censored advertising for UM that will allow no question, no inquiry, and nothing that may spark a hint of true, open, honest debate.

I'd suggest the reason for this is that somewhere deep inside all of them, they know it's all utter bullshit and they are vainly trying to defend the indefensible. They're just so invested in the delusion that they can't face the painful, blindingly obvious truth just yet.

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From one of the cult websites:

Comments Policy

Genuine inquiry and interest, criticism and skepticism are welcome.

Nothing is further from the truth than this.

A simple test, for anyone unsure as to validity of what I say. Go on to any UM blog (words on serge, truth about universal medicine etc etc). Ask a polite question that is not gushing in its praise for UM or the blog post you are commenting on. Wait for the comment to be published. And wait. And wait. And wait. And then give up in the knowledge these blogs are censored advertising for UM that will allow no question, no inquiry, and nothing that may spark a hint of true, open, honest debate.

I'd suggest the reason for this is that somewhere deep inside all of them, they know it's all utter bullshit and they are vainly trying to defend the indefensible. They're just so invested in the delusion that they can't face the painful, blindingly obvious truth just yet.

Yep. This is where cognitive dissonance kicks in. There has been some interesting studies on it. With a cult, this effect is amplified because of the investments of being part of the group- money, emotional, personal- anchors it so the member is less likely to want to admit contradiction, and therefore their own (cognitive) error, which is deepened over time by a series of almost ritual sacrifices that they are made to participate in.

I think we have all been AMAZED at the way that facts have been presented contradicting Serge's 'version' of truth and how the vast majority of the group have sucked it up. It seems, sucking it up increases the dissonance even more. It's sure been a lesson to me. One I wish I hadn't had.

Just found the following two clips while surfing youtube. Excuse me if they've been posted here already, but I hadn't seem them before:

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Good to see more people contributing rational analytical commentary to Serge's dangerously delusional rubbish.

" I know more than any SCIENTIST " in my inner heart....
I know EVERYTHING about the UNIVERSE and how it works .
I can answer any QUESTION about any MYSTERY
in the WORLD ,
any MYSTERY in the UNIVERSE " .....
(Serge Benhayon 's message for the "NEW ERA"
January 1st 2012)

Ladies and Gentle-Men I rest my case - Dobbsie



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One correction readers -my last post (gfaw ,gfaw ) should have read - 'Ladies and Gentle-Men I rest OUR
case'.
And while I'm at it ,one MYSTERY in the UNIVERSE I'd liked answered Serge is -
Why aren't you behind bars yet ?
in-love Dobbsie



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Wondering if anyone can shed some like on what UM members are like as parents.
If emotions are dangerous, how do they deal with screaming babies/toddler tantrums? Also, if they have to be gentle at all times, how do they deal with boisterous kids, etc.?
Have there been members who left because their kids needed more freedom?

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Wondering if anyone can shed some like on what UM members are like as parents.
If emotions are dangerous, how do they deal with screaming babies/toddler tantrums? Also, if they have to be gentle at all times, how do they deal with boisterous kids, etc.?
Have there been members who left because their kids needed more freedom?

You'd probably have to ask the parents involved for case by case specifics, assuming they would tell you the truth, which is highly unlikely unless you're involved with the cult. That said, all the parents involved in UM have almost certainly exposed their children to Benhayon's dangerously neurotic belief system, complete with details such as the possibility of attacks by supernatural entities. Given that the adults themselves are often in a heightened state of anxiety over these delusional beliefs, any children exposed to such insanity are bound to be frightened, if not psychologically damaged by such ideas. In the most extreme cases, there are clearly UM parents who think nothing of letting their children stay unsupervised with Serge. Considering his disturbingly obsessive preoccupation with underage sex, rape, pornography and so on, anyone willing to entrust their children to this man's 'care' are negligent in the extreme, and quite possibly unwitting accessories to abuse.

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Wondering if anyone can shed some like on what UM members are like as parents.
If emotions are dangerous, how do they deal with screaming babies/toddler tantrums? Also, if they have to be gentle at all times, how do they deal with boisterous kids, etc.?
Have there been members who left because their kids needed more freedom?

The issues are this-

Children attend his lectures and some workshops- Serge is known to talk about entities and how children can see them and for parents not to deny it. We know of parents that promote 'monsters' as being real to children. Children do not have the same filters regarding what is real and what is made up. They rely on adults to guide them, so cult parents can frighten their children rather than giving them a sense of security the require. We know of several non-cult parents who had dealt with this by taking their child to psychologists. Serge has been known to give children 'songs' to keep the entities away, further compounding the problem.

Serge speak about sexual matters inappropriately with children and young teenagers present.

The group believes that children are adults in kids bodies. ( curiously a common idea amongst pedophiles)

Children are told not to be 'race-y'- therefore suppressing their natural childhood energy and enthusiasm. Race-y means they are full of pranic energy. They are told to be more in their 'hearts' and be 'gentle' and 'still'.

Older children are discouraged from sports and activities such as dance, competition, yoga, football, soccer, etc.

Their diets are restricted, especially with regard to dairy and gluten. This has health implications, but more worryingly creates food phobias. We know of children that lecture the non cult member parent on what food they are eating and recoiling in fear at bread and ice-cream.

Some cult parents think love means no empathy or sympathy. This causes a disconnect and will of course have serious long term consequences on the child and the relationship.

When children are upset they are told they 'are not being themselves' because the parent believes they are channeling entities. Serge teaches that all thoughts and emotions come from the "astral plane". Emotional responses are seen as pranic/astral/evil.

Some cult parents believe that they cannot meet the child's needs unless they have met all of theirs first. For example, Caroline Rafael told a non cult parent that she would prefer "not to feed her child if she was not in the right space as it was not loving to her or the child if done in the wrong energy" (no kids would ever get fed would they...)

Cult parents think all illness is 'clearing karma or prana"- This may lead to them not acting correctly when illness occurs. We know of one parent who thought that her child covered in mozzie bites was 'good clearing'

Cult parents think they are 'playing a role' being a parent ( or partner) and so are the children. For some reason they think it is good not to be in those 'roles' (imposed by society which 'brainwashes' them into it according to their delusional and devious leader)

Teenage children are exposed to inappropriate and incorrect messages about sex. While the group thinks they are anti-child sexualisation, they have created myths around the sexual activities of teenagers, especially girls, to give rationale to their offbeat ideas about sexual development. They have been involved in government funded programs where sexual information has been elicited and publicly divulged. They have set up a new branch called "girls to woman project'. None of them seem to notice or care that Serge met his now wife when she was 13 years old. Some may even justify it as 'special'. It is documented in their EDG notes that young girls have or do stay with the Benhayons. Young (pretty) girls travel from Europe to stay with them also. We'll leave you to decide what that is about.

Of course the biggest danger is the covert indoctrination that will affect young minds and how they see the world. The problem with this group, like all cults, is they dont announce they are f***ing with your mind. They just get you to do some meditation, and then get in there are start feeding you shit. About 15% of the adult population are easily suggestible in this state, and about 85% of children under 15!!! that is alarming. What these kids are learning from their parents or worse, being exposed at meetings, events or via cult-practitioners, is going to form the basis of their world view. It will take years for them to remove or change it, if ever.

There are young woman in the cult now who grew up in other cults. Just like other members who have come from another group, there are incapable of recognizing manipulation, because the manipulation is deep and cellular, and the re-wiring, so to speak, is hard if not impossible to undo. This doesn't make them stupid or bad people, but it removes or tampers with a faculty of critical thinking that may alert them to the bizarre nature of a group, its contradictions, preposterous claims and manipulative nature.

Serge encourages young kids to call him "papa Serge or uncle Serge" which is weird, strange and seems exactly like what you are now thinking. Who wants their child looking up to Serge as if he is something special, when he is clearly not. As a parental role model he is shocking. His children are all working with him. Curtis looks bored shitless, except now he gets to do "Uterus massage" (WTF!) Michael has hot air blown up his arse about how good a musician he is (he's not) Natalie thinks she is a 'seer' and then next messiah. Simone is hiding out in the UK. Being a little older and having seen what went on, we suspect a little wiser to what's really going down. Mum is sidelined 'doing' the books and counting the cash (but giving parenting advice LOL) while Dad is shacked up with a girl they took into their house when she was 13 (leading to the split up of her family and years of misery) They all do what good 'old Dad tells them, dutifully at each meeting setting up the chairs, hanging the black plastic and collecting the cash. That is one family you should not use as a role model. But unsurprisingly, Serge has been successful as portraying it as AMAZING and AWESOME, and all the followers walk around stupidly saying the same thing. It is some seriously messed up shit.

What was the question? What are UM cult members like as parents?? I'll leave you to figure it out.