Re: Universal medicine
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COncerned Partner
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Date: October 07, 2012 10:33AM
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Historians and journalists can look to one other situation in Australia if they want to do a full feature story--the Hamilton Byrne followers, aka "The Family"
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From the Wikipedia entry on 'The Family':
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"The group consisted of middle class professional people; it has been estimated that a quarter were nurses and other medical personnel and that many were recruited by Johnson, who referred them to Hamilton-Byrne's hatha yoga classes"
Doesn't that sound familiar? Just goes to show that the handful of medical practitioners singing Serge's praises is hardly unique, and their involvement in UM does not negate the fact that it is a cult.
Yes it puts in perspective the stupid claim by Serge and his cabal that UM is not a cult because some doctors are involved.
In fact, most cults have their fair share of professionals. It is meaningless and fallacious argument, much like the others they employ.
Interesting to see the other parallels with Universal Medicine.
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
COncerned Partner
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Date: October 07, 2012 12:04PM
Interesting Post on the Families of UM blog. [wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
I must say I find this part very interesting:
Benevolence and charity - these are the highest forms of evil on earth today. Pure illusion.
We still tend to want to do “good” as it is so ingrained. Students are now very aware they have been living their lives trying to be “good”.
Highest form of separation on earth is being good. Murder and rape can clear quickly, as you know something went wrong.
Harder to clear good, more damage done in the long term, as it is a major hurdle to overcome taking many lives to get over.
Karmatically it is more difficult to get over being “good” than being a murderer or rapist, as the energetic imprint left behind is empty and leaves a legacy of emptiness, as opposed to “evil” acts which are obviously harmful.
So, lets understand Serge correctly here. Being "good", like say helping starving children due a war in Africa where the soldiers are raping and murdering is FAR worse than the soldiers who are raping and murdering...because it is obvious "something went wrong"? What a charmer. (Hmmm....I wonder why the reference to rape and murder all the time and how it is easy to clear? Very odd)
Allow me to ponder this a moment longer with an example: From this we can understand that the rape and murder of say, Jill Meager was nothing compared to all those do-gooders who tried to help find the killer? I guess that the killer is clearing some karma and so was she? Yes, no doubt that is the case and I am sure the the UM'ers are all sitting around nodding now. But if you asked them to their face ( and they answered which would be unusual) I am sure they would give you a different take because they know how callous that would sound ( because they actually know that it is not right and it is callous)
That Serge can call charity the most evil thing there is, and dismiss rape and murder like it is nothing, is sickening and disgusting. That the followers soak it up is more so. But so UM. Of course, Serge's charity, set up to build an asset on his land with a questionable constitution ( available online) is of course the highest good. It doesn't help children born with congenital diseases, starving infants, create food programs, or vaccinate millions, or even help those dying at the hands of rapists and murderers, or anything as EVIL as that, but it does put some serious coin in Serge's pockets via a nice little device in his constitution given him perpetual power and the ability to pay any 'director' or 'associated company' whatever he feels like without question. Now that is a real charity.
Universal Medicine, crazy one day and evil the next. [wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
I must say I find this part very interesting:
Benevolence and charity - these are the highest forms of evil on earth today. Pure illusion.
We still tend to want to do “good” as it is so ingrained. Students are now very aware they have been living their lives trying to be “good”.
Highest form of separation on earth is being good. Murder and rape can clear quickly, as you know something went wrong.
Harder to clear good, more damage done in the long term, as it is a major hurdle to overcome taking many lives to get over.
Karmatically it is more difficult to get over being “good” than being a murderer or rapist, as the energetic imprint left behind is empty and leaves a legacy of emptiness, as opposed to “evil” acts which are obviously harmful.
So, lets understand Serge correctly here. Being "good", like say helping starving children due a war in Africa where the soldiers are raping and murdering is FAR worse than the soldiers who are raping and murdering...because it is obvious "something went wrong"? What a charmer. (Hmmm....I wonder why the reference to rape and murder all the time and how it is easy to clear? Very odd)
Allow me to ponder this a moment longer with an example: From this we can understand that the rape and murder of say, Jill Meager was nothing compared to all those do-gooders who tried to help find the killer? I guess that the killer is clearing some karma and so was she? Yes, no doubt that is the case and I am sure the the UM'ers are all sitting around nodding now. But if you asked them to their face ( and they answered which would be unusual) I am sure they would give you a different take because they know how callous that would sound ( because they actually know that it is not right and it is callous)
That Serge can call charity the most evil thing there is, and dismiss rape and murder like it is nothing, is sickening and disgusting. That the followers soak it up is more so. But so UM. Of course, Serge's charity, set up to build an asset on his land with a questionable constitution ( available online) is of course the highest good. It doesn't help children born with congenital diseases, starving infants, create food programs, or vaccinate millions, or even help those dying at the hands of rapists and murderers, or anything as EVIL as that, but it does put some serious coin in Serge's pockets via a nice little device in his constitution given him perpetual power and the ability to pay any 'director' or 'associated company' whatever he feels like without question. Now that is a real charity.
Universal Medicine, crazy one day and evil the next. [wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
HerbertKane178
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Date: October 07, 2012 01:03PM
That's absolutely insane, CP. Is there no end to this man's mad ramblings? And the followers say they are not brainwashed when they can lap this stuff up and still claim he is man of integrity.
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COncerned Partner
Interesting Post on the Families of UM blog. [wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
I must say I find this part very interesting:
Benevolence and charity - these are the highest forms of evil on earth today. Pure illusion.
We still tend to want to do “good” as it is so ingrained. Students are now very aware they have been living their lives trying to be “good”.
Highest form of separation on earth is being good. Murder and rape can clear quickly, as you know something went wrong.
Harder to clear good, more damage done in the long term, as it is a major hurdle to overcome taking many lives to get over.
Karmatically it is more difficult to get over being “good” than being a murderer or rapist, as the energetic imprint left behind is empty and leaves a legacy of emptiness, as opposed to “evil” acts which are obviously harmful.
So, lets understand Serge correctly here. Being "good", like say helping starving children due a war in Africa where the soldiers are raping and murdering is FAR worse than the soldiers who are raping and murdering...because it is obvious "something went wrong"? What a charmer. (Hmmm....I wonder why the reference to rape and murder all the time and how it is easy to clear? Very odd)
Allow me to ponder this a moment longer with an example: From this we can understand that the rape and murder of say, Jill Meager was nothing compared to all those do-gooders who tried to help find the killer? I guess that the killer is clearing some karma and so was she? Yes, no doubt that is the case and I am sure the the UM'ers are all sitting around nodding now. But if you asked them to their face ( and they answered which would be unusual) I am sure they would give you a different take because they know how callous that would sound ( because they actually know that it is not right and it is callous)
That Serge can call charity the most evil thing there is, and dismiss rape and murder like it is nothing, is sickening and disgusting. That the followers soak it up is more so. But so UM. Of course, Serge's charity, set up to build an asset on his land with a questionable constitution ( available online) is of course the highest good. It doesn't help children born with congenital diseases, starving infants, create food programs, or vaccinate millions, or even help those dying at the hands of rapists and murderers, or anything as EVIL as that, but it does put some serious coin in Serge's pockets via a nice little device in his constitution given him perpetual power and the ability to pay any 'director' or 'associated company' whatever he feels like without question. Now that is a real charity.
Universal Medicine, crazy one day and evil the next. [wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
MacReady
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Date: October 07, 2012 03:48PM
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COncerned Partner
Interesting Post on the Families of UM blog. [wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
I must say I find this part very interesting:
Benevolence and charity - these are the highest forms of evil on earth today. Pure illusion.
We still tend to want to do “good” as it is so ingrained. Students are now very aware they have been living their lives trying to be “good”.
Highest form of separation on earth is being good. Murder and rape can clear quickly, as you know something went wrong.
Harder to clear good, more damage done in the long term, as it is a major hurdle to overcome taking many lives to get over.
Karmatically it is more difficult to get over being “good” than being a murderer or rapist, as the energetic imprint left behind is empty and leaves a legacy of emptiness, as opposed to “evil” acts which are obviously harmful.
So, lets understand Serge correctly here. Being "good", like say helping starving children due a war in Africa where
the soldiers are raping and murdering is FAR worse than the soldiers who are raping and murdering...because it is obvious "something went wrong"? What a charmer. (Hmmm....I wonder why the reference to rape and murder all the time and how it is easy to clear? Very odd)
Allow me to ponder this a moment longer with an example: From this we can understand that the rape and murder of say, Jill Meager was nothing compared to all those do-gooders who tried to help find the killer? I guess that the killer is clearing some karma and so was she? Yes, no doubt that is the case and I am sure the the UM'ers are all sitting around nodding now. But if you asked them to their face ( and they answered which would be unusual) I am sure they would give you a different take because they know how callous that would sound ( because they actually know that it is not right and it is callous)
That Serge can call charity the most evil thing there is, and dismiss rape and murder like it is nothing, is sickening and disgusting. That the followers soak it up is more so. But so UM. Of course, Serge's charity, set up to build an asset on his land with a questionable constitution ( available online) is of course the highest good. It doesn't help children born with congenital diseases, starving infants, create food programs, or vaccinate millions, or even help those dying at the hands of rapists and murderers, or anything as EVIL as that, but it does put some serious coin in Serge's pockets via a nice little device in his constitution given him perpetual power and the ability to pay any 'director' or 'associated company' whatever he feels like without question. Now that is a real charity.
Universal Medicine, crazy one day and evil the next. [wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
That's right. The world according to Serge:
Capitalism is evil (but my cult/business rakes in millions every year).
Charity is evil (except for mine, which lines my pockets nicely).
Humanity and the world in general are in a mess (but anyone who tries to counter that with acts of kindness are actually doing evil, so I guess all the war, famine, disease in the world are actually good?)
Help me out here Serge, this belief system of yours makes not a shred of sense whatsoever.
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
corboy
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Date: October 07, 2012 10:07PM
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According to the teachings quoted above on goodness, if that actually is accurate---
Because millions have done good deeds that the quoted material above dismisses as karma that is difficult to clear---Australia would not have been available as an open society.
And Australia would not have been available for Serge's ambitions, capitalist and otherwise.
Sure it makes 'sense'.
One set of rules for the guru and initiates and a different set of rules for us peasants.
When you tamper with someone's take on what it is to be and do good, that disrupts core identity. It disrupts the earliest lessons in socialization we were taught as kiddies.
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According to the teachings quoted above on goodness, if that actually is accurate---
Because millions have done good deeds that the quoted material above dismisses as karma that is difficult to clear---Australia would not have been available as an open society.
And Australia would not have been available for Serge's ambitions, capitalist and otherwise.
Sure it makes 'sense'.
One set of rules for the guru and initiates and a different set of rules for us peasants.
When you tamper with someone's take on what it is to be and do good, that disrupts core identity. It disrupts the earliest lessons in socialization we were taught as kiddies.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/08/2017 07:26PM by rrmoderator.
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
corboy
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Date: October 07, 2012 10:16PM
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We still tend to want to do “good” as it is so ingrained. Students are now very aware they have been living their lives trying to be “good”.
Highest form of separation on earth is being good. Murder and rape can clear quickly, as you know something went wrong.
Harder to clear good, more damage done in the long term, as it is a major hurdle to overcome taking many lives to get over.
If this is an accurate version of the teachings...
These sound like a very twisted version of the kinds of advice given to persons struggling with codependant/adult children of acoholics behavior.
One can imagine that very early in the recruitment process and in the early student phase, UM might offer the kinds of advice often given to persons who do have genuine codependance behavior patterns. But, over time, these teachings can easily be edged into a directly that condemns any generous impulse.
The actual problem is not with wanting to be good or with wanting to do good. The real issue is whether we do this in a driven manner and in ways that are not beneficial at all.
That is codependance.
But teaching that being good* is 'the highest separation on earth' --ye gods.
*Or a commitment to being moral?
This takes aim at the most basic way we are socialised, starting in earliest childhood.
Disrupt this, and you're putty in the hands of whoever teaches this stuff--if that transcript is accurate.
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
COncerned Partner
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Date: October 08, 2012 07:44AM
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We still tend to want to do “good” as it is so ingrained. Students are now very aware they have been living their lives trying to be “good”.
Highest form of separation on earth is being good. Murder and rape can clear quickly, as you know something went wrong.
Harder to clear good, more damage done in the long term, as it is a major hurdle to overcome taking many lives to get over.
If this is an accurate version of the teachings...
These sound like a very twisted version of the kinds of advice given to persons struggling with codependant/adult children of acoholics behavior.
One can imagine that very early in the recruitment process and in the early student phase, UM might offer the kinds of advice often given to persons who do have genuine codependance behavior patterns. But, over time, these teachings can easily be edged into a directly that condemns any generous impulse.
The actual problem is not with wanting to be good or with wanting to do good. The real issue is whether we do this in a driven manner and in ways that are not beneficial at all.
That is codependance.
But teaching that being good* is 'the highest separation on earth' --ye gods.
*Or a commitment to being moral?
This takes aim at the most basic way we are socialised, starting in earliest childhood.
Disrupt this, and you're putty in the hands of whoever teaches this stuff--if that transcript is accurate.
It looks like it is a transcript taken as 'buddy notes' at the time but then sent to a mailing list as a sort of 'authorized' version of Serge's (cough, splutter) wisdom. This system has now changed with it only be available via download from the student site- so going forward they will be more sanitized and the wild-west days, sadly, will be over.
To add weight to his edict/s, these type of quotes are repeated over years of EDG notes, some of which I have seen, so this is clearly Serge's take on the business of morality and ethics. This sort of rubbish is also committed to print in his books if anyone has the wherewithal to wade through the bunkum, poor syntax and language mangling chapters.
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
Eric Dobbs
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Date: October 08, 2012 12:40PM
So let me get this right Serge , if someone was to break into your home , rape your wife and kids and make a mess of you with a baseball bat , you would view this act as less of a karmic infringement than if that person
made a modest donation to breast cancer research ? This maybe something Serge you should "Ponder on" . Regards Eric
made a modest donation to breast cancer research ? This maybe something Serge you should "Ponder on" . Regards Eric
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
COncerned Partner
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Date: October 10, 2012 04:44AM
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COncerned Partner
Interesting Post on the Families of UM blog. [wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
I must say I find this part very interesting:
Benevolence and charity - these are the highest forms of evil on earth today. Pure illusion.
We still tend to want to do “good” as it is so ingrained. Students are now very aware they have been living their lives trying to be “good”.
Highest form of separation on earth is being good. Murder and rape can clear quickly, as you know something went wrong.
Harder to clear good, more damage done in the long term, as it is a major hurdle to overcome taking many lives to get over.
Karmatically it is more difficult to get over being “good” than being a murderer or rapist, as the energetic imprint left behind is empty and leaves a legacy of emptiness, as opposed to “evil” acts which are obviously harmful.
So, lets understand Serge correctly here. Being "good", like say helping starving children due a war in Africa where
the soldiers are raping and murdering is FAR worse than the soldiers who are raping and murdering...because it is obvious "something went wrong"? What a charmer. (Hmmm....I wonder why the reference to rape and murder all the time and how it is easy to clear? Very odd)
Allow me to ponder this a moment longer with an example: From this we can understand that the rape and murder of say, Jill Meager was nothing compared to all those do-gooders who tried to help find the killer? I guess that the killer is clearing some karma and so was she? Yes, no doubt that is the case and I am sure the the UM'ers are all sitting around nodding now. But if you asked them to their face ( and they answered which would be unusual) I am sure they would give you a different take because they know how callous that would sound ( because they actually know that it is not right and it is callous)
That Serge can call charity the most evil thing there is, and dismiss rape and murder like it is nothing, is sickening and disgusting. That the followers soak it up is more so. But so UM. Of course, Serge's charity, set up to build an asset on his land with a questionable constitution ( available online) is of course the highest good. It doesn't help children born with congenital diseases, starving infants, create food programs, or vaccinate millions, or even help those dying at the hands of rapists and murderers, or anything as EVIL as that, but it does put some serious coin in Serge's pockets via a nice little device in his constitution given him perpetual power and the ability to pay any 'director' or 'associated company' whatever he feels like without question. Now that is a real charity.
Universal Medicine, crazy one day and evil the next. [wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
That's right. The world according to Serge:
Capitalism is evil (but my cult/business rakes in millions every year).
Charity is evil (except for mine, which lines my pockets nicely).
Humanity and the world in general are in a mess (but anyone who tries to counter that with acts of kindness are actually doing evil, so I guess all the war, famine, disease in the world are actually good?)
Help me out here Serge, this belief system of yours makes not a shred of sense whatsoever.
That apparently is the point- [en.wikipedia.org]
By turning things upside down and creating a thought, emotional and moral vacuum the follower remains permanently disengaged from standard paradigms and under the influence of the dear leader.
To us it is clearly bullshit and reprehensible but I guess when you slowly get dipped in shit you don't notice it happening, especially when you keep getting told it is chocolate and to ignore your senses.
Someone involved with cults and philosophy emailed me the other day having read some of his published works and said this: "I don't believe in evil, but Serge sure presents a case for it. I think this [expletive] is a demon"- I tend to agree given the spell-binding effect he has on his followers while preaching fear and ugly ideas, all the while making them believe others are at fault when he keeps a life sized portrait of his own version of Dorian Grey hidden away in his closet. (and boy-o-boy that is one butt ugly picture)
Please take a look at that painting Serge and save hundreds more families the grief of your doctrine and Universal Misery. There's a good boy.
And a reminder from our friend. [wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
treefern
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Date: October 10, 2012 07:25AM
I have to say in all of the rhetoric that has gone on in the months that I have been contributing to this site, the very best piece of writing that has come out thus far is a piece from the wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au site.
We as families and friends of people lost in the machine that is Universal Medicine can and have for that matter, written only from our hearts and our own personal experiences and thoughts on the subject and for that I might add we have been persecuted. I/we have no power what-so-ever to either influence or convert the ardent and faithful followers of Serge Benhayon, what I/we can however do is present our stories in the hopes that for some of the followers who are now experiencing doubts as to the motivation behind the highly successful and wealthy business that is Universal Medicine, you may find some answers. It is the right of all human beings to have BOTH sides of every story available to them, that is why there are indeed 2 sides to a coin, we humans are innately curious beings, our minds need to turn things over and around to get the whole picture. When you are FED only one aspect of the whole you stop questioning or craving for more but learn to be content with what you have and for some of you this does seem alot compared to what you 'had'. There seems to be an above average number of people who first went to Serge with very profound problems, unhappy lost and exhausted people who didn't possess the ability to either look after themselves without the support of a "group" or someone giving them 'permission' to feel superior after years of doubt, a support I might that has cost dearly. (and I don't just mean financially) By the way historically when Empires crumble the most needy of the 'group' remain faithful to the cause, they have nowhere else to go...so you don't need to worry so much.
'Playing the Man not the Facts' is a well written piece with a set of very honest questions that need to be answered....with your mind OPEN. It is our brains and the evolution of logical thought that raises us above the animal world, all mammals feel, "feeling into yourself" and acting on that instinct alone is a key indicator of a very unbalanced Narcissistic personality disorder, well balanced humans most importantly also THINK!
By the way, for the UMers who are being so openly hostile and aggressive to anyone who has spoken out, I'm sorry but you are just showing your true colours for all now to see and ultimately Serge will also be held accountable for encouraging you to do that.
I would like to add one more question to the list, for the followers of Serge to ask themselves......Who stands to gain the most by lying? (and I don't just mean financially)
We as families and friends of people lost in the machine that is Universal Medicine can and have for that matter, written only from our hearts and our own personal experiences and thoughts on the subject and for that I might add we have been persecuted. I/we have no power what-so-ever to either influence or convert the ardent and faithful followers of Serge Benhayon, what I/we can however do is present our stories in the hopes that for some of the followers who are now experiencing doubts as to the motivation behind the highly successful and wealthy business that is Universal Medicine, you may find some answers. It is the right of all human beings to have BOTH sides of every story available to them, that is why there are indeed 2 sides to a coin, we humans are innately curious beings, our minds need to turn things over and around to get the whole picture. When you are FED only one aspect of the whole you stop questioning or craving for more but learn to be content with what you have and for some of you this does seem alot compared to what you 'had'. There seems to be an above average number of people who first went to Serge with very profound problems, unhappy lost and exhausted people who didn't possess the ability to either look after themselves without the support of a "group" or someone giving them 'permission' to feel superior after years of doubt, a support I might that has cost dearly. (and I don't just mean financially) By the way historically when Empires crumble the most needy of the 'group' remain faithful to the cause, they have nowhere else to go...so you don't need to worry so much.
'Playing the Man not the Facts' is a well written piece with a set of very honest questions that need to be answered....with your mind OPEN. It is our brains and the evolution of logical thought that raises us above the animal world, all mammals feel, "feeling into yourself" and acting on that instinct alone is a key indicator of a very unbalanced Narcissistic personality disorder, well balanced humans most importantly also THINK!
By the way, for the UMers who are being so openly hostile and aggressive to anyone who has spoken out, I'm sorry but you are just showing your true colours for all now to see and ultimately Serge will also be held accountable for encouraging you to do that.
I would like to add one more question to the list, for the followers of Serge to ask themselves......Who stands to gain the most by lying? (and I don't just mean financially)
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