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VenusDarkly
Honestly you guys I don't know how you read all of that insane unintelligible tripe Serge writes. I can't do more than I few lines before my brain turns to fondue.
To make matters worse, I started reading the student blogs.
Katrin in Germany: One of the most important things I have learnt from Serge’s presentations is that to love myself and to take care of myself is not selfish, but is the basis of being loving and caring with others.
Which others? The family and friends you no longer have time for? Or by others do you mean Uncle Serge and your fellow students with whom you're having a status anxiety contest over who can praise the proven bankrupt liar and pervert the most.
Whilst people like Treefern are being cheated out of their health.
I'm still waiting for a blog from one of them that fearlessly and factually addresses SB's lies, their questionable therapeutic practices and the fact that UM makes people sick.
Tricky Vicky Carter: Thank-you Deborah. Absolutely. “Why is it” that humanity is in such rot? May we continue to ask these questions, express and share our stories and insights, and ever-deepen in the responsibility for the part we have all played in it ‘being how it is’.
The writings here are amazing – the comments also (& they are so important in confirming the truth we know). I continue to see just how deeply ‘given up’ I’ve been in the face of it all, and also continue to be astounded at just how clear and strong the love within is, and how powerful and natural is its expression!
Exactly darling. The UM brand of love is within. It never makes it out. Pity about the people who once mattered to you, now superceded by 'The One' and his zombified sycophants regurgitating his fact deprived 'truth'. Keep working on that inner love. In the meantime, your outer being, the part of you that perhaps once made meaningful, affectionate and compassionate connections dries and deadens to a husk.
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VenusDarkly
I meant to ask in response to Treefern's post. Just putting this out there for anyone to answer.
How many Esoteric Healing practitioners are there in the greater Byron Lismore area? Roughly? Are they just the ones working at the UM clinics, or do they also operate in their own allied/complementary health clinics? Do they have special practitioner only meetings? If so, how often?
Are they a network, UM clinics and student/practitioners referring patients back and forth between themselves? Or is it UM affiliated practitioners referring patients to the UM clinics? (As in more of a one way thing?)
Also does anyone know of UM affiliated school teachers holding regular meetings in your area? I've heard of one group in Queensland who meet weekly.
PM me if you'd rather not post publicly. Thanks.
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treefern
VD from my personal experience the UMers network, they ONLY refer patients back and forth between each other, in the Byron/Lismore area they ONLY go to UMer doctors/dentists/counsellors/etc/etc. There is a HUGE recruitment program going on, any time anyone at my husbands work isn't well/has a problem the scurrilous little work colleagues of my husband are there on the spot with whatever card/person is required. This in itself should be banned however I do ask myself are these people getting brownie points and a cut in services or maybe just trying to make up for the very poor and unwomanly behaviours they have shown towards nonUMers?
I know of three other people not counting myself who were referred there and who were appalled by what they were told ranging from "holding on to dark pranic forces within their bodies" this person was told this by Serge himself, NOT advised to seek conventional medical help, 2 days later underwent emergency surgery, I don't think it was an imaginary dark force that they removed either! To the others being told just plain shit. As you can imagine not one of these people ever went back after the first visit, they have no problem telling people their stories and what a load of crap UM really is, there are an equal number of people who just don't want anything to do with UM than do.
As for anybody hearing about teachers using UM stuff in their classrooms, these people need to be reported to the Principals of the schools and to the Education Dept with reference to the ongoing investigations into Serge Benhayon and Universal Medicine.
I personally think posting publicly IS very important, it is the people who have posted publicly on this site that has helped others. There is no way anyone can find out who you are by posting publicly on this very safe site. As corboy has said, this site has never been hacked. The more disgruntled customers of the UM business that come forward the more the potential UMers and those who are now questioning the sanity of UM and Serge, will actually see the business for what it is...a Cult.
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treefern
VD from my personal experience the UMers network, they ONLY refer patients back and forth between each other, in the Byron/Lismore area they ONLY go to UMer doctors/dentists/counsellors/etc/etc. There is a HUGE recruitment program going on, any time anyone at my husbands work isn't well/has a problem the scurrilous little work colleagues of my husband are there on the spot with whatever card/person is required. This in itself should be banned however I do ask myself are these people getting brownie points and a cut in services or maybe just trying to make up for the very poor and unwomanly behaviours they have shown towards nonUMers?
I know of three other people not counting myself who were referred there and who were appalled by what they were told ranging from "holding on to dark pranic forces within their bodies" this person was told this by Serge himself, NOT advised to seek conventional medical help, 2 days later underwent emergency surgery, I don't think it was an imaginary dark force that they removed either! To the others being told just plain shit. As you can imagine not one of these people ever went back after the first visit, they have no problem telling people their stories and what a load of crap UM really is, there are an equal number of people who just don't want anything to do with UM than do.
As for anybody hearing about teachers using UM stuff in their classrooms, these people need to be reported to the Principals of the schools and to the Education Dept with reference to the ongoing investigations into Serge Benhayon and Universal Medicine.
I personally think posting publicly IS very important, it is the people who have posted publicly on this site that has helped others. There is no way anyone can find out who you are by posting publicly on this very safe site. As corboy has said, this site has never been hacked. The more disgruntled customers of the UM business that come forward the more the potential UMers and those who are now questioning the sanity of UM and Serge, will actually see the business for what it is...a Cult.
This makes me want to weep. It's predatory, pyramid selling style medicine which could have lethal consequences, if it hasn't already.
I totally agree posting publicly is important. I hope more people will do so, and kind of wonder why they don't. Perhaps, like me, they don't realize how widespread it's become.
Before I read that David Leser article, I knew UM had grown, but thought peoples' bullshit detectors would eventually out it and kill it off. I was shocked to read about how massive it is and the extent of damage it's caused.
I'm hoping more people will follow your lead. Problem is women are embarrassed to talk openly about the intrusive, psychosexual stuff that's going on, and also a person's medical history (sexual history as well) is essentially confidential. It's not something you want made public, so unless people muster some extraordinary courage, as you have done, they won't come forward.
And Serge has been exploiting that fact as well.
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As this thread has now got so long, many of the links to other sites that have useful information on Universal Medicine have become harder to find. I thought it would be useful to keep a post that has all the links on, as more sites appear, they can always be added and this message bumped:
words from the families of universal medicine students blog
serge benhayon and universal medicine investigation
um support group
Good Weekend Article
SMH article 1
SMH article 2
Medical Observer "Inside Universal Medicine" article
Medical Observer TGA findings article
A Current Affair TV report on Universal Medicine
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treefern
Thanks VD but no courage needed in being honest and certainly no courage needed in wanting to help anyone else who may be really ill not getting the correct and trained professional help needed.
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Just wanted to clear something up for the record, neither I nor the other women I know have experienced anything sexual (other than the yucky EBMs but they were done by women) in either treatments or sessions. That is obviously something you have been made aware of privately. I will leave revealing that side of UM and Serge up to you.
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esocynic
On my previous post, I documented my stay at The Lighthouse, Frome, Somerset in the UK, where I had not realised until I had paid that it was Universal Medicine Uk's HQ, and not the innocent bed and breakfast as advertised.
I have kept reading this thread in incredulous horror at what Universal Medicine, its founder and associated "medical" practitioners are all about. I am wondering why the media in the UK have not yet picked up on Universal Medicine. I hope it is just a matter of time.
Wishing veryone affected on here all the best for the future and thank you for sharing your stories so that hopefully others can be warned.