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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: frodobaggins ()
Date: July 31, 2012 05:23PM

[au.news.yahoo.com]

today tonight - channel 7

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: frodobaggins ()
Date: July 31, 2012 05:44PM

He had his vision on the toilet hahahahaha

Yeh Serge - one big load of S$%T came out

Serge stop confusing a cult with compounds and lock ups. You fulfil all the criteria of what a cult is.

We have all witnessed your brainwashing techniques literally over the last 36 hours!

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: lovingsister ()
Date: July 31, 2012 06:20PM

Watching that report made me sick. Serge sugarcoated what they are doing at UM and tried to blame a select few husbands for the "cult" label. He is crazy to imply that the concerns that we all share are a result of sex. He once again manipulated his words to benefit himself. His followers will always understand his lies in the public forum as they have been told we are evil and don't feel truth and love and this is why he can't be honest. He has an answer for everything and they are willing to believe it all.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: July 31, 2012 10:08PM

One doesnt have to take people to compounds or into a jungle anymore.

It becomes passionate loyalty to a product or a brand.

Ones adherants are put in the psychological equivalent of a harness and extensible leash.

Imagine dogs being led out on walks. Dog thinks it is free so long as it doesnt strain out to the full stretch capacity of the leash.

Thing is, in most cases, a company simply wants you to purchase the brand and if possible, continue to do so.

It doesnt lead to family disruption of the sort people have been describing here.

Its a bit like football loyalty

One can follow one's favorite team and still remain friends with someone who prefers a different team.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: July 31, 2012 10:17PM

Note: extensible leashes work best for docile dogs.

If all the dogs are docile and have been trained never to stretch and test the full length of an extensible leash one dog walker can walk as many as 5 dogs.

If a dog is spirited (such as an Australian cattle dog who has worked on a farm), a dog of this kind will test the leash--constantly.

The dog walker will select the docile dogs and not allow any cattle dogs in the group--much too disruptive.

The Australian cattle dog will never stop pulling at the leash. That Australian heeler will show the docile dogs what freedom looks like.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: Morpheus ()
Date: August 01, 2012 08:29AM

I am an ex member. This whole affair has really made me wake up. Seeing him on TV looking like a creep cult leader freaked me out and made me shudder. I did some courses and while I liked the words, the deeds were very different. Serge spends a lot of time putting down other if not all therapies, medicine unless he approves of it, and people. It is weird for someone who says not to blame others. He is a total control freak and you can see all the people under his control coming onto the forums and now TV. It makes me glad I got out when I did. They are sending crazy emails at the moment about being under attack and how they are changing the world and all sorts of mad fundamentalist stuff. I wasnt sure if this was a cult now I know it is. This is not about love. it is about fear.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: treefern ()
Date: August 01, 2012 08:32AM

To all of the people sending me Personal messages to Thank me for "being so brave and telling my story", I'm a little confused.

You have taken the time to register, find a nom de plume and then send a message. The same thread links all your messages together..you have friends/relatives or are in UM checking out what I personally think of them, you all say "you are too afraid to come online publicly because of the fallout from UMers", you all ask me personal questions.

For the record, this site is a PUBLIC FORUM, a place where people can go for information on Cults, Sects and Religions. ALL the people on this site are telling their own stories in a safe way, because all of our experiences with UM is that the people we know that are now involved are not loving, kind or gentle anymore.

If you take the time to open an account, then stand up and be counted with your own unhappy experiences.

I have been advised to send any Personal Messages both past and future on to Rick Ross to have them verified, if they are 'real' then please post your Thanks publicly, if they are bogus then action will be taken and believe me the Americians are very good at filtering through the real from the fake information seekers.

Yesterday a highly respected and well known man in our region told me in no uncertain terms that the "intelligent people living in our area, all thought without the shadow of a doubt that the way the UMers are now behaving would classifiy them as being "Religious Zealots".
I was advidsed because of this new found ferver to protect Serge and the reputation of the UMers with his 'call to arms', if anyone is even "feeling" threatened, let alone actually "being" threatened by any member of UM it is imperative you go straight to the Police and make a complaint.
The police take these matters very seriously and will act upon any complaints.

Love always wins...
Kindness always prevails....
And smiles always disarms....

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: August 01, 2012 08:42AM

If anyone needs to contact Mr Ross, the owner of this website and message board, he can be private messaged here

[forum.culteducation.com]

To new registrants:

You are under NO obligation to respond to questions, either on the message board or via PM (private message)

If you receive a private message and you dont feel good about it, copy it and send it to Mr Ross.

And--in the ten years of this message board being available, it has not been hacked.

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Re: Universal medicine
Date: August 01, 2012 08:53AM

Another article appearing in Medical Observer published 30th of July.

If you think that medical practice should be based on evidence and aimed at prevention, diagnosis, treatment and cure, then you will probably find it interesting. Same goes if you think healthcare advice should be provided by government accredited, qualified and regulated professionals. And if you agree that companies should be made accountable that create products and make therapeutic claims that haven't been evaluated by the government body responsible for administering such products then read on. If however you live in some fantasy land where your health is managed by an unqualified magic man who people should believe because he says so, then this is probably not for you, put your Chris James headphones on, sit on your postcard and channel your master, secure in your knowledge that Big Daddy Serge will tuck you in at night and make the bad men of truth and evidence go away.

Full article below as available for members of the Medical Observer readership of 28,000 health professionals at the following link: [www.medicalobserver.com.au]

Concerns raised over 'prana' treatment - Medical Observer

MORE questions have been raised about treatments being offered by the Universal Medicine (UM) organisation in northern NSW following revelations a man, with what appeared to be a potentially life-threatening condition, was told by the founder of UM that “this is you releasing the evil/prana… from your body”.

As first reported in MO, northern NSW-based UM is the subject of multiple HCCC complaints involving allegations it is a “cult” that encourages its estimated 400 followers into avoiding most food, exercise and traditional medicine.

Herbal products sold by the group are meanwhile subject to a TGA investigation, with the TGA stating that Universal was selling unregistered alternative treatments in dosage packs, which “therefore meet the definition of therapeutic goods as they make general therapeutic claims for use in humans”.

MO has obtained a newsletter circulated to Universal’s students in which Queensland naturopath Steffen Messerschmidt is pictured with severe swelling and redness in his hands, arms and face. His written account in the newsletter says the symptoms presented in December 2008, after he had demonstrated “Dorn” spinal therapy on UM's founder Serge Benhayon.

Mr Messerschmidt wrote in the newsletter that Mr Benhayon told him “this is you releasing the evil/prana of Dorn Therapy from your body – a little more to go”, and to take photos of the swelling, and that Mr Benhayon said “sorry to hear this is still happening but I can’t help being excited by [it]”.

Dr Michael Vagg from Deakin University School of Medicine said the pictures “clearly indicate a potentially serious condition that I would say requires an urgent referral to a rheumatologist or haematologist for diagnosis”.

"It could be some type of urticarial vasculitis or autoimmune condition like lupus," Dr Vagg told MO.

“It would seem the patient has been quite lucky to survive as the facial swelling is an obvious sign of potential impending airway obstruction. With a condition such as this there is also the risk of major organ failure – particularly kidney failure."

Mr Messerschmidt said aside from Mr Benhayon, he showed his condition to “GPs and specialists” but “there was no reason to explain how that could have happened”.

“My body went through a pretty big shift and I was clearing lots and lots of things, like the pictures that you saw,” he said.

“Scientifically you can’t explain why I came up with third degree burns in the hands.”

Mr Benhayon told MO his remarks to Mr Messerschmidt were “a light-hearted quip… based on many months of discussion”.

“I saw only an emailed pic of a swollen hand,” he said. “In that quip, what I say is true according to the way I know and understand energy. But under no circumstance was it a diagnosis. Steffen never asked nor did I offer. When I did see him next… I firmly recommended he see a GP.”

Mr Benhayon added that Mr Messerschmidt “never once approached me in my capacity as an esoteric practitioner in regards to those conditions”.

“He chose to deal with his ill condition as he is qualified to do. He has a naturopathic degree from Germany which he tells me is medically high in standard," he said.

Professor John Dwyer, from Friends of Science in Medicine, said organisations like Universal that “take money in return for offering medical services when they have neither training nor credibility, but are willing to hoodwink the public into thinking that they have some mystical way of curing disease, even serious disease, are a public health menace”.

Please feel free to discuss this article below.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: treefern ()
Date: August 01, 2012 09:46AM

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Morpheus
I am an ex member. This whole affair has really made me wake up. Seeing him on TV looking like a creep cult leader freaked me out and made me shudder. I did some courses and while I liked the words, the deeds were very different. Serge spends a lot of time putting down other if not all therapies, medicine unless he approves of it, and people. It is weird for someone who says not to blame others. He is a total control freak and you can see all the people under his control coming onto the forums and now TV. It makes me glad I got out when I did. They are sending crazy emails at the moment about being under attack and how they are changing the world and all sorts of mad fundamentalist stuff. I wasnt sure if this was a cult now I know it is. This is not about love. it is about fear.

Congratulations Morpheus, you have escaped!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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