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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: MacReady ()
Date: June 16, 2012 11:34PM

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So the entities don't control people but essentially they control (!) or influence people as a result of bad choices.

Logic would suggest that any bad choices an individual makes are the result of a thought process, otherwise they wouldn't be choices. Serge also teaches that we are incapable of individual thought, that all thoughts and ideas are impulsed to us either from 'fiery' (Sanat Kumara?) or pranic (Lords of Form) sources. If the individual's very thoughts were not made freely and were impulsed by the Lords of Form, and those thoughts led to the bad choices that then led to the entities entering and possessing the individual, ultimately influencing them to commit a violent act, in theory it sounds like Serge is actually saying the astral entities/LoF DO very much control people.

It's confusing, that's why his students keep going back to make sense of it all.

Give them the problem and be the only source that has the solution.

Nothing new.

This is my evaluation of UM, Gibbs. The students think they've found a solution in Serge's convoluted presentations, but they fail to realize that he actually presented a very confusing, in all likelihood imaginary set of problems which he claims to exclusively have the solutions to, the catch being it will take a lifetime (possibly multiple lifetimes!) of doing 'the work' (and $$$) to reach the state of 'stillness' and 'joy' that Serge claims to be in permanently.

To any potential UM student reading this I implore you to consider the following:

Why has no dedicated student ever reached their own truth through UM? By that I mean truly connected to their own souls and forged their own path, as opposed to simply absorbing Serge's beliefs, writings, speech patterns etc and then insisting 'they've always known this was true'. If you were connecting to a genuine truth within yourself, you wouldn't continually need to go outside of yourself (back to Serge) for further clarification.

If Serge was indeed Alice A. Bailey, why are there so many inconsistencies in their cosmologies? Read her books for yourself and then compare them to Serge's; it's quite clear that he has merely re-interpreted her already ambiguous, incoherent material. He's taken many of the key phrases but added his own definitions and interpretations, then regurgitated the whole mess in a writing style that's deliberately designed to confuse you.

Consider for a moment Serge's teaching that the mind often confounds us and gets in the way of our true intelligence (our hearts). Would he not then present his belief system in as palatable and simple a manner as possible? Instead you get a highly complicated, often contradictory and ever-expanding set of teachings that must be read and re-read along with workshops, retreats, lectures etc. Anyone 'in-truth' can see that Serge's ideas are directed firmly at confounding your mind and disabling your critical thought processes. If you accept the premise that he is all wise and operating at a higher level than you, then you have given your power away to him from the outset and continue to do so every time you go back to UM for the next level of 'understanding'.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: treefern ()
Date: June 17, 2012 10:24AM

I would like to say to MacReady and his last wonderful message to UM members and to the informative information given by Corboy, thank you. All honest REAL words written are for the good and welfare of people and Not for the ego and financial gain of the Benhayon family.
Yesterday my husband thanked me for introducing him to this site, for 'hanging-in there with him', during what has been a very frightening and horrendous time for me and our family. He says he can now SEE just how dangerous Serge and his teachings are, the crazy and dangerous diet and the way UM members, who don't have loved ones who 'hang in there' or who leave, are lost to his teachings.
I have my gentle, kind, considerate, intelligent husband back! He is eating some dairy, cake, gluten and heaps of potatoes cooked in various ways and guess what? He is healthy, alive, happy and ruddy cheeked again!
It's OK there is life after UM and money in your bank account as a bonus. Look for someone who has had the courage to leave, ask for their help they will be happy to get you out and for you to live a life which isn't fear based. You ARE meant to be on Earth, you are NOT from Mars or Venus and you are meant to have an earthly body with all it's rounded imperfections, becoming a stick figure will not enlighten you.

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Re: Universal medicine
Date: June 17, 2012 11:14AM

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Hi everyone, has anyone noticed that ESOTERIC BREAST MASSAGE has been removed from the benhayon sites.I get the distinct feeling that these loons are feeling some heat and it's not from their "fiery sutras" either.Is it still possible to purchase a jar of serge's fine ointment guaranteed to restore those breasts to their former glory I ask. ? Come on serge how about something for the men- you know what I mean or will the breast tincture do the job. I await your wisdom-ness ,Eric Dobbs

Hi Eric, you can never remove any website completely from the internet once its been published. There are a few services that cache sites going back years so if you ever need to see what they used to have up it is easy to find with a bit of googling. I've already taken infro from earlier versions of UM sites . There is little doubt that the recent reskin of the sites is to make them look less cultish and more "healing" based. And If you're in a relationship with a UM girl and it comes to an end- highly likely if you keep your brain- you might have a chance to see if the cream does the job your asking ;) let us know! cheers

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: Gibbs ()
Date: June 17, 2012 11:35AM

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Serge if you think so highly of women, to the point that you tell/suggest to men that they ask permission to even touch their wives, so stupid, why treat these girls so badly?

You are right treefern. Now that I think of it the UM office reception is like a dog box.

This brings to mind another of Serge's teachings that is extremely debilitating and cancerous to a relationship regarding sex and intimacy.

I remember one lecture where Serge stood there and spoke about how he, and his wife Miranda made love, not sex. He then said he knew many people were jealous of their soulful lovemaking and how he could feel the jealousy of many in the group. He told us all to just admit when we were not making love. To be honest with ourselves that were just having sex with our partners.

I also recall him saying was that when having just sex, the man is only 'relieving' himself. The woman is letting him because she deeply craves 'intimacy' (from not being touched by her father?). He said the man is just ejecting his garbage in her and the woman takes it. He made it sound so disgusting, like spiritual rape or something, that I didn't want to, or know how to be intimate with my wife for quite a while. Every time I did sleep with my partner, I felt that I was falling short of this standard of 'Making Love'.

The reason I bring this up is because I explains one of the major core issues on relationship collapse. It makes the male student feel like he is not doing it right, and needs to stop until he works out how to 'Make Love'. The female student seems to take the posture that she will not tolerate her man touching and having sex with her unless it is done correctly. Consequently we have relationships that are void of any physical acts of intimacy and sex. Or at the best, it becomes less frequent.

To me this is one of the most debilitating sources of relationship problems as a result of UM influence. We can mostly work around diet changes and pillow cases. But this particular teaching creates what I believe to be a significant and crippling environment for couples.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: June 17, 2012 07:42PM

If that breast massage cream is useful when applied elsewhere, spammers will have a field day.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: June 17, 2012 08:32PM

Would be interesting to learn whether adent devotees of the UM diet are developing a special type of body hair.

It shows up when human bodies are severely underfed. There may be other causes--all of which merit consultation with a physician who practices scientfic medicine.

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Lanugo often grows where no hair is normally present on females, including the chest, back, arms, neck and face. Often the lanugo is so soft and feathery that it might be referred to as “fuzz”, “peachfuzz” or even “fur”. Though an anorexic’s feet and hands are often very cold due to poor circulation, lanugo rarely grows in these areas

One thing that shows up in severely underfed human bodies is 'lanugo' --a covering of fine hair. Its to conserve warmth.

But it would tend to show up on areas of the body covered by clothing.

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Lanugo and Eating Disorders
Author: Beth Morrisey MLIS - Updated: 23 December 2010 | Comment Tweet Eating

Lanugo or the growing of fine white hairs all over the body, is a phenomenon almost exclusively related to anorexia.

Unfortunately, as relatively few people in the UK have ever seen or heard of lanugo, a great amount of mis-understanding exists about this condition. To set the record straight, continue reading for some answers to frequently asked questions about lanugo.


What Is Lanugo?Lanugo is the formal name for soft, downy, fine white hair that grows mainly on the arms and chests of female anorexics. Lanugo will not grow on all anorexics, but it is usually found on anorexics who have suffered from severe weight loss and are approaching emaciation.


Why Does Lanugo Develop?The growth of lanugo is one of the body’s ways of insulating itself. When an anorexic loses too much weight and no longer has enough body fat to help heat herself, the body takes over and grows lanugo. These hairs grow in thickly and attempt to trap heat that is lost from the body before it dissipates. Lanugo is almost like a blanket that the body grows itself.


Is Lanugo Normal?

Lanugo grows on almost all infants in the womb, and it is not uncommon for babies to be born with lanugo still covering their bodies. However, most lanugo is typically shed just a few weeks past birth. Lanugo is not common or “normal” in healthy adults and instead is considered a tell-tale sign of anorexia.

Where Exactly Does Lanugo Grow?Lanugo often grows where no hair is normally present on females, including the chest, back, arms, neck and face. Often the lanugo is so soft and feathery that it might be referred to as “fuzz”, “peachfuzz” or even “fur”. Though an anorexic’s feet and hands are often very cold due to poor circulation, lanugo rarely grows in these areas.


How is Lanugo Treated?
Lanugo is not usually treated in and of itself. Instead, the anorexia is treated both in physical terms to help an individual regain weight and physical health, and in mental terms through such methods as counselling or talk therapy, family therapy, group therapy and support groups. During this treatment an anorexic who has grown lanugo can speak to her doctors about the condition.

Where Can I Obtain Further Information on Lanugo and Anorexia?There is quite a bit of mis-information and myths surrounding eating disorders today, so only contact reputable sources for information on topics such as lanugo and anorexia. The Eating Disorders Association and the National Centre for Eating Disorders are both organisations which can supply correct information on these and similar subjects.


I’ve Noticed Lanugo on My Body – Where Can I Get Help?Chances are that if you’ve grown lanugo then you are in a state of severe malnutrition and emaciation. If you are not already under the care of medical and mental health professionals then you need to be. Contact a local GP, private mental health care specialist or, as you are likely in imminent danger of severe health problems, consider visiting an A&E.


I Am Not Anorexic But Have Grown Lanugo. Now What?

If you are a healthy weight and have no abnormal thoughts or behaviours regarding food then it is highly abnormal to grown lanugo. Consult a GP or dermatologist for more information regarding your specific situation.


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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: June 17, 2012 08:34PM

Disclaimer. I am not a medical professional, just a citizen offering an avenue of investigation.

In the context of this thread, I have put out the question about lanugo hair, not to diagnose anyone in UM as having anorexia nervosa.

I am putting this question about lanugo out here in case anyone close to UM dieters has ever observed this kind of hairiness on their loved one's bodies.

Instead of anorexia one can put "under-feeding"

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: Eric Dobbs ()
Date: June 17, 2012 10:08PM

Dear Treefern, Congratulations to you and your husband. I must say that if this site has been even partially responsible for your spouse's revelations and realization that Universal Medicine is a dangerous and ill -founded organisation then it has SERVED society well. Rick Ross and all that he stands for should be celebrated for the courage to promote TRUTH,HONOUR and FREE SPEECH . Bravo to All- Eric Dobbs

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Re: Universal medicine
Date: June 17, 2012 10:27PM

That's great news Treefern, thanks for sharing, a great good over evil underdog story.

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Re: Universal medicine
Date: June 17, 2012 10:33PM

Macready: just a quick note to say thanks for your posts of late, really well constructed and helpful for the rest of us also in the front line.
Corboy: as always, great reading, good fact driven analysis which helps feed logical and rational debate on this issue both on this forum and face to face with our affected (infected?) loved ones.

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