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Originally posted by letGodbetrue
The message you are trying to get out appears to be very much based on your own opinions and experiences. You're welcome to have your own opinion, I just hope that you can come up with something worth discussing in this new thread.
(RMG's reply: My reason for commenting on this site are mostly to clue people in to the problems I had with certain movements I got involved with that turned sour. But I do have opinions on religion in general and I offer them here. But I'm not saying that only I know what God is all about or that you have to worship him my way. But I am strongly opinionated against the Judeo-Xian traditions. I believe they're done the human race a lot of harm.)
On the other hand, most of your observations are actually predicted in the NT. Because the Jewish people refused to accept Jesus as their Messiah, it allowed the Gentiles to partake of the gift of God. So true, most Jews have rejected Christ, just as you say.
(RMG's reply:The truth is that the Jews have their own leaders, their own interperatations of the Torah and their own way of looking at life. Jesus' teachings simply are superfluous to most Jews. And it's a gift we can live without.)
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Originally posted by letGodbetrue
Well, I certainly don't agree that Judeo-Christian beliefs and traditions have hurt the human race. In fact, the most backward and struggling cultures on earth are those who have rejected God.
(RMG's reply: You equate those who reject Judeo Xianity with "those who reject God". I don't. Also, during the Crusades 150 million people died due to these "enlightened" religions).
I do agree that 'traditions' can and do get people into trouble. I think there has to be a standard that everything else is measured against. I don't agree with the theories concerning 'relativism'.
Again, I don't think most conservative, orthodox Jewish believers would appreciate your defense of their faith.
(RMG's reply: I grew up in the Conservative movement and found them to be reasonable compared to the orthodox. I'm not defending them though. I find the Bible to be a work of myth and fiction and want to move on from it.)
I think they recognize that the relationship they had/have with God was/is a gift, and the promises that God has made to them concerning their future, all gifts. As Job said, Who am I that God should be mindful of me?
9RMG's reply:The relationship they have with God is the result of the faith of their father's as it came down through the ages. I forget exactly how it's put in the Jewish liturgy, but that's the case. Your frame of reference is very Xian. You realy don't know how Jews think from any of the major branches).
9RMG's reply:The relationship they have with God is the result of the faith of their father's as it came down through the ages.Quote
Originally posted by richardmgreen
Most people I've met just go to the religious organization theyQuote
Originally posted by greenberean
9RMG's reply:The relationship they have with God is the result of the faith of their father's as it came down through the ages.
How can one person's personal relationship with God be transmitted to another? Aren't we all free to chose whoever we serve?
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Originally posted by richardmgreen
Many Xians I've met are Xian in name only but they identify with the church of their youth.
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Originally posted by greenberean
Yeah, I pretty much agree, especially from an outside perspective. As a matter of popular opinion, from the outside, Judas was a better representative of God than Peter.
I was wondering if you were saying that since Daddy was a southern baptist preacher, then Junior is pretty much a shoe-in for a seat in heaven, or something