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Re: Food for thought
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: July 25, 2014 09:17AM

Its a good list of some of the Tech basic NLP salespeople will try to use on you...Rapport, Matching Mirroring, Eye Cues, Anchoring and the rest of the list.

And its not so much that all of that stuff actually works as advertised, its that by seeing someone is trying those techniques on you, it shows they are trying to manipulate you.
And of course, most of that stuff is decades old, so the advanced NLP people do not do that stuff in an obvious way anymore.

The bottom line is that it comes down to advanced ways to manipulate you to do what THEY want you to do, but try to make you think its what you WANT to do.

And usually they want your money, but sometimes they want other things.

So just don't fall for their exaggerated salespitches, and don't give them any money.

With things like "real" Cognitive Therapy, they are not going to make Big Claims like they can cure all your problems and make your life perfect in 30 days.
Whereas as the NLPers and the post-NLP persuasion artists, will make you believe their Big Claims, simply so you will pay more money for their seminar or coaching, or whatever.
There is nothing worse that some type of NLP or Tony Robbins "phone coaching", that is the worst of the worst. Its just a way for them to manipulate you every week, and charge you $100-$250-400 an hour for it.
Yes, that is what they charge in their "coaching contracts'. Internet highway robbery.

You would be better off to throw hundred dollar bills out the window and pray to Zeus to cure you by magic, at least them you would just be throwing money away.
Can't overstate how utterly awful NLP or Tony Robbins Corp "coaching" is, its absolutely terrible what they will do to vulnerable people.
They will empty our their entire bank accounts, or inheritance one way or another, where that is a mere 30K, 150K, or $900,000.
It will all be gone.

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Anticult advice -- look for business models - and another tip
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: July 25, 2014 10:11PM

Google check all phone numbers before you ever phone someone in response
to an advertisement or a referral a friend or family member gives you.

Check the area codes. Will it turn into a toll call?

A long time ago (years ago--long before texting), someone
was running ads on Craigslist -- spam.

This person claimed one could overcome all sorts of things using hypnosis.

Person made it seem he or she lived in the city where this section
of Craigslist ran ads.

When a bunch of us checked, we saw that the person resided well away from
our state.

That meant that if anyone had telephoned this person, it would have been a
toll call and we would have paid that toll.

And...this person advertised as a hypnoptherapist - spam advertised.

So watch out. Therapists who are licensed and good at what they do
will not spam post on places like Craigslist. They will be too busy for
that.

Any ad for spiritual or psychological transformation -- always look up
the phone number. You will often be amused.

Especially be alert and check phone numbers for questionnaires with
lots of vague questions, in which you are likely to answer each one with
a yes.

yes, yes, yes, yes.

This is known as the 'Yes Set' and it is a common means of inducing a light
trance.

There are questions to which most persons will answer yes.

Or get people to chant yes, yes yes.

Same thing.

Go to google and look up Yes Set and trance induction.

(Safety note: If you are outside, using your phone or tablet, please
step aside and sit down or stand still and put your back to a wall while doing
this. Research is not something to do when walking down a street or intersection.)

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Re: Anthony Robbins UPW - very BAD experience
Posted by: RealityRevisited ()
Date: February 29, 2016 05:37AM

Hi there

Just wanted to say I attended Tony Robbins UPW, then followed up with Wealth Mastery, and Date with Destiny, all in all about $10,000 worth. I loved it, totally was 'stepping up' and 'playing full out' for these events. I did DWD last (took ages to save up the $$), but only made it to about Day 4 of because due to lack of sleep and food (we were finishing at 1am some nights,and starting at 7am the following morning... and almost no meal breaks). Having had no history whatsoever, I had psychotic episode that lasted several days, landed me in a psychiatric ward in intensive care, (I lost me my job because I couldn't go to work). It took months of psych appointments and medication to get back to normal, and I had no contact from the Tony Robbins organisation. I really don't know how he sleeps at night, and my heart goes out to all the other poor suckers like me who have really been damaged by the cult like organisation and events he runs. Please be warned!

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News - June 24 2016 Problems with TR fire walking
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: June 26, 2016 03:14AM

This news just in:

Tony Robbins asked them to overcome fear and storm across hot coals. Dozens were injured.
By Elahe Izadi June 24 at 4:16 PM

At least 30 people burned during Tony Robbins's coal walk
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More than 30 people who attended an event with motivational speaker Tony Robbins were treated for burns after Robbins encouraged them to walk on hot coals as a way of conquering their fears, Dallas fire officials said (AP)

The seminar is called “Unleash the Power Within.” The multi-day event with world-renowned motivational speaker Tony Robbins is “designed to help you unlock and unleash the forces inside that can help you break through any limit and create the quality of life you desire,” according to promotional materials.

“Overcome the unconscious fears that are holding you back,” Robbins’s site proclaims. “Storm across a bed of hot coals".

[thescoopblog.dallasnews.com]

“Once you start doing what you thought was impossible, you’ll conquer the other fires of your life with ease.”

But Thursday night’s coal walk in Dallas didn’t go so well for dozens of seminar attendees: Five people were taken to the hospital and about 30 to 40 were evaluated after sustaining “burn injuries to their feet and lower extremities” after attempting to walk across hot coals in front of the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center, said Dallas Fire and Rescue spokesman Jason Evans said,

Multiple rescue units were sent, and a Dallas Area Rapid Transit bus held the 30 to 40 patients who were being evaluated, according to officials.

“The severity of the injuries were unknown, but most people elected not to be taken to the hospital,” Evans said.

A total of 7,000 people participated in the fire walk “which has been a celebrated part of this event for 35 years,” Jennifer Connelly, a spokeswoman for Robbins, said in a statement.

“Someone unfamiliar with the process of the fire walk called 911 reporting the need for emergency services vehicles to be dispatched,” she said. “While there was no need for emergency personnel we are grateful to the quick and robust response from Dallas emergency services, only 5 of 7,000 participants requested any examination beyond what was readily available on site. We are pleased to have completed another successful fire walk for 7,000 guests and look forward to the remainder of an outstanding weekend with them.”

City officials knew in advance that there were plans for some kind of coal-walking event at the seminar, convention center director Ron King told the Dallas Morning News.

“He did it two years ago without any incidents that we are aware of,” King told the newspaper.

Event organizers had the necessary permits for the coal walk, including one for flammable and combustible liquids, and one for open burning/recreational fires, said Evans, the Dallas Fire and Rescue spokesman. Two fire prevention officers, two paramedics and one rescue unit were also a part of the organizers’ plans, Evans said.

All of the circumstances surrounding the event will be considered before deciding whether to bring Robbins back for another seminar, King added.

“We do take the safety of our attendees very seriously,” King said, according to the Dallas Morning News. “Safety will be the primary consideration before we consider moving forward with a future event.”

One attendee told WFAA that some of those attempting the walk were distracted.

[www.wfaa.com]

“There was someone in front of us and someone behind us on their cellphone, taking selfies and taking pictures,” Jacqueline Luxemberg told the station. That person, Luxemberg said, asked others “to video record for her, so I think that that has a lot to do with it.”

Connelly, the spokeswoman for Robbins, said: “It is always the goal to have no guests with any discomfort afterwards but it’s not uncommon to have fewer than 1 percent of participants experience ‘hot spots,’ which is similar to a sunburn which can be treated with aloe. As always there were trained medical and event staff at the fire walk specifically to offer quick and easy remedies for any soreness.”

This isn’t the first time a Robbins coal walk has resulted in injuries.

In 2012, nearly two dozen people were injured during a “Unleash the Power Within” seminar in San Jose, Calif. Thousands walked across the hot coals in the walk that included 24 lanes, each measuring eight feet long.

[www.nytimes.com]

“We have been safely providing this experience for more than three decades, and always under the supervision of medical personnel,” Robbins Research International said at the time.

“A small number of our participants experienced pain or minor injuries and sought medical attention,” it said. “We continue to work with local fire and emergency personnel to ensure this event is always done in the safest way possible.”

For thousands of years, people around the globe have practiced “fire walking.” Rituals developed independently in places such as India and Greece, where they were featured during religious ceremonies or as a rite of passage.

The earliest known reference to fire walking dates to 1200 B.C., in India, according to now retired University of Pittsburgh professor David Willey.

Willey, who once held the world record for longest fire walk, has written extensively on the science behind the walk, and why it is that humans can complete them unhurt.

“Although it was, and still is by some, thought to be a paranormal phenomena, it has actually been fairly well understood, and has been explained using the principles of physics for at least the last half century,” Willey has written.

It’s quite possible to walk across coals without landing in the hospital. First of all, “wood is a lousy conductor,” Willey told National Geographic in 2005, and so are human feet. Conduction is the main way heat transfers from coals to feet during walks.

Coals that burn no hotter than 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit shouldn’t burn participants. But the trick is to make that walk snappy. Brief foot-to-coal contact is important.

“It is neither necessary nor advisable to run, a brisk walk is reported to work best, with each step taking half a second or less,” Willey has written. For a 14-foot fire walk, “each foot will be in contact for a total time of a second or so.”

The Guinness World Record for longest fire walk, set in 2007, clocked in at just under 600 feet.

But while science explains why many people, for centuries, have walked fiery paths unscathed, there still is a mental component involved.

“You’ve got to believe you’re going to be okay, otherwise you wouldn’t do it,” Willey, the physics professor, told National Geographic. “But what your mind-set is has got absolutely nothing to do with whether you’re going to burn or not.”

Bates College anthropologist Loring Danforth wrote a book comparing Greek rituals with 20th-century New Age fire walking in the United States. He notes its use by Robbins and others.

Danforth has referred to American fire walking as “a ritual therapy,” one that “asserts the power of the self, a self that is free from the limits and constraints imposed by social responsibilities and moral obligations.”

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“Firewalking offers people a liberating experience of self-realization … in a world where great value is placed on individual freedom of expression and self-determination,” Danforth said.

[This post has been updated.]

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Re: WARNING! Anthony Robbins UPW - stay away at all costs
Posted by: Sahara71 ()
Date: February 26, 2019 07:36AM

An example of one of The Anticult's posts. He gives Tony Robbins, Byron Katie and many others a good caning, all over this forum. Unfortunately, I think he is on the money.

The Anticult Wrote:
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> Very good advice to immediately and permanently
> stop any communication with anyone who practices
> overt NLP-Hypnosis for profit.
> Especially anyone associated with the Tony Robbins
> companies, as they are constantly messing with
> your mind using very advanced techniques of
> persuasion.
>
> Of course these days people are doing it COVERTLY
> so its difficult to know who is doing what, which
> is their point, to confuse you.
> There is MASSIVE evidence of the dangers of
> NLP-hypnosis on this forum, just search those
> words and read up.
> also search for Ericksonian Hypnosis, and
> conversational hypnosis.
>
>
> and there is plenty anyone can do to free
> themselves from alleged post-hypnotic suggestions.
> First off, most of that stuff is lies and smoke
> and mirrors, they tell you they are doing _______
> to you, but that is the suggestion, or a
> salespitch.
> Its essential to not be superstitious or listen to
> the exaggerated bullshit.
>
> For example, Richard Bandler will constantly claim
> he is doing all these things to your mind using
> covert language, but its mainly all bullshit, just
> designed to impress people, or make people think
> he is brilliant.
>
> So remember they don't have some kind of "black
> magic" control over your mind, but they want you
> to think that they do.
>
> There is a thread of how to get Byron Katie out of
> your mind, and it points to ways to do that,
> mainly the ideas of modifying how that person is
> imagined in your mind....
>
> IDEAS on how to KICK-OUT byron katie from your
> Mind-Soul-Life forever
> [forum.culteducation.com]
>
>
> In terms of something useful, the "real" Cognitive
> Behavioral Therapy can help many people. But
> beware, many scammers now call New Wage and
> hypnotic sales junk "cognitive therapy" as it
> sounds more acceptable! So its a mind-field out
> there.
>
> Some good books from the library would be...
>
> Mind Over Mood by Dennis Greenberger, Christine A.
> Padesky
> The Feeling Good Handbook by David D. Burns

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