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ODB has not posted anything to that forum since last July, tho. He's probably just trolling around somewhere else, predator that he is.

To whom it may concern:

Earlier today I received word from an Australalian source that David McKay is either quite ill and near death, or else has recently died already (my source was unsure about which is the case). Does anybody know anything about the veracity of this information, or is is merely some kind of rumor? Thanks, --B

Let's not get our hopes up just yet. It may be a false dawn. I'll keep the champers on ice for the time being.

Could be a fresh start for all, including his consort. Maybe Kevin will finally get his mother back, well, what's left of her.

It's probably not true (the "Dave is dead" rumor, I mean), or else we would have somehow had more definitive word from Australia by this time.

To begin with, I got this (tentative) info from somebody claiming to be a worker in some Australain hospital. Maybe somebody with the same name (David McKay, I mean) recently fell ill/died and it was some kind of mix-up in the confusion over who is who, on my source's part.

Nobody (for the most part) will miss DM, anyway, and nobody will send flowers to his grave. As for me, I hope that when DM finally really does does die, that he is cremated and the ashes are scattered someplace. That way, he will not even have a grave.

Apollo Wrote:
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Lord Haw Haw
A strict duty of care needs to
> be dealt with. Whether it is a family unit, church
> or temple, school etc.
>
> The safety of a child is the most important
> aspect.
>
> Keep in mind Apollo, Mr Dave McKay, would not be
> the only person in the world to have this view. I
> do hope you are as passionate about bringing other
> soft on pedophiles to the same standard.
>
> The Catholic Church, Islam and Fundamentalist
> Mormons, all have had major issues in reagds to
> child abuse claims. And they all need to be held
> unaccoutnable.
>
> It appears Mr Dave McKay is a product of the world
> around us, where even our own senators and
> congressmen appear soft when it comes to child
> abuse and pedophillia.
>
> Minors by all means can even say yes to sex. But
> it does not take away from the act, that adults,
> with an adult mentality need to know the law and
> that it is illegal to do such actions.
>
> If anyone i knew touched one of my two kids, i
> would not be hesitant to use al my resources
> necessary to wreck them. Soft on pedophilles, tend
> to be that way as they have never experienced
> first hand the lasting affects it can have on a
> child.
>
> If Mr Mckay knowingly let a pedophile, become a
> member, he has failed in his duty of care, and is
> no better than the man or woman who touched the
> children.
>
> If he had no clue at the time when the member
> seeked memebrship, it is just sheer stupidity on
> his part, and our only hope was that this man or
> woman was never left alone with children. The
> example you do give Apollo, shows that he was left
> unattended.

>
> Dave McKay and the Jesus Christians HAVE failed in
> their duty of care. Protecting the safety of
> children has never been high up on their list of
> priorities. Protecting the image of the group will
> always take priority over everything else.
>
> There's no doubt other denominations have their
> own issues regarding child abuse however in
> comparison to the size of the group (never above
> 30 at any one time) the Jesus Christians have been
> responsible for child abuse on a huge scale.
>
> The abuser in question was a Mr Bruce Steel. Mr
> Steel was a known paedophile yet he was invited
> into the group before being sent to India to work
> in a two man team selling books. In which time he
> was able to abuse a minimum of 18 beggar children.
> The man confessed to the group however they did
> not report him to the police. He was instead sent
> back to Australia where a friend, who was not
> associated to the group, managed to convince him
> to hand himself into the police. There's
> absolutely no doubt Mr McKay failed in his duty of
> care.
>
> Two other Jesus Christians are also known to have
> abused children. Neither has been reported to the
> police and one of them was sent to Kenya where he
> was allowed to work closely with vulnerable
> children. The Jesus Christians have a base in
> Kenya and they often work closely with children.
>
> During Mr McKay's long association with the
> Children of God members of the group were often
> invited to stay at the McKay family home. This was
> at a time when the Children of God were notorious
> for ''flirty fishing'' and child abuse. Mr McKay
> was willing to risk the safety of his own children
> so that gives you an idea of the sort of
> individual we are dealing with here.

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One time about a dozen years ago I was in a support group for former members of destructive groups (also known as "cults"). Two of the people who were in that group were former members of the Children of God/Family. One was a woman who'd joined when she was younger, and the other was born and raised in it. The one who had joined when she was younger had prostituted herself (or "Flirty Fished") all over the world for the cult, and had been catastrophically traumatized on account of what she'd experienced in the Children of God. I mean, she was one of the most profoundly traumatized people I've ever met. We're in this support group, and the woman who had joined the cult started confessing things about her past to us, and specifically to the woman who'd been born and raised in the cult. She starts telling us about the time she'd been (more or less) forced to "share" with a young boy of maybe ten or twelve years of age, in a Family "sharing party" in some foreign country. Mind you, she was telling us about things that had happened thirty-odd years before, in a country other than this one, that she'd done with a young boy whose name she could not recall. She starts telling us about the time she was coerced into engaging in pedophilic acts, when she was in this sick cult many years before. Then she started to cry like a child and wailed "I'm not a bad person, I'm not a bad person, I'm not a bad person..." as she held the second-generation woman's hand. Then she asked for forgiveness from the second-gen woman, even though she'd never hurt the second-gen woman at all. She was asking for the forgiveness of all of the second-generation members of that cult, through the one who was right in front of her. Then the second-gen woman told the woman who was confessing and crying "No, you are not a bad person; you're a wonderful person and I forgive you" and then she gave the older woman a hug. That was probably the most moving exchange between two people that I've ever witnessed taking place in front of me. This woman was not a bad person, and was not a pedophile. She was a good person who was put into a bad situation by bad people, and she was given little practical choice about what she was expected to do. I'll never forget that; it's burned into my soul, the memory of what I witnessed that day. This woman was so overcome with guilt over what she'd done, that she'd just cried and cried like a little girl.