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rrmoderator
Some people just have the bad luck to run into someone like McKay.
I sure did. I did an internet search for truth seekers forum and then modified it to Jesus Christ forums and this Jesus Christians forum popped up. I had joined only to find that I was at odds with the moderator Dave. From the first post I was under heavy moderation except for the Introduction part of the forum. For some reason, it went straight to post there, but elsewhere... it had to be reviewed first. Now my log in is invalid and I can no longer read the "Members Read Only" forum part of the site.
I reckon with all that you guys are sharing, I can suspect the reason why: to not be so obvious in trying to push the "giving everything up to be His disciple" tactic. Now I understand why he was so angry with my taking Luke 14:33 in context to the parable mentioned earlier by Jesus in Luke 13:14-25 as not having anything to do with giving up everything in this life in order to be His disciple, but being willing to forsake all that you have when the Bridegroom comes for the bride; meaning the pre tribulational rapture event. I am not sure what Bible version Dave was using, but I can understand that mentality of giving everything up, but the King James Bible has it differently.
First: in order to see my application of what I believe Dave is using that Luke 14:33 out of context and by misapplication is the parable below.
Luke 14:
15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. 16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: 17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. 18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. 20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. 21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
Do note how those that were excusing themselves from attending were placing the cares of this life and their loved ones for not attending:
Then Jesus turned to the multitude, expounding on that parable to them some more.
Luke 14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Now Dave was stuck on verse 25 above. Believers in Christ are to love one another, even our enemies, and so this requirement above was not really about being His disciple on earth, but the requirement on being His disciple to leave the earth when the Bridegroom comes for the bride at the pre tribulational rapture event which is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
He got angry, because it unravelled on how he was using verse 33 below from whatever version he was using that he would say as giving up everything in order to be His disciple.
Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
Context is everything, but he had accused me of twisting what Jesus had said as if He did not mean that at all, and yet remains silent of verse 25 so as to side step how I was applying verse 33 to the parable of the king's supper to attend.
I never found out of it was a Bible version of Dave's paraphrasing that verse because my log in is not invalid.
I could link the site, but I don't want any one going over there if they are somehow still vulnerable to this guy.
Hopefully, God will cause the increase for those that have been victimized by this hard yoke and heavy burden of verse 33 and recognize His invitation here refutes anyone or any organization from using that to lord over other believers' lives to profit off of them.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
There is no condemnation to those that are rich. Look at this instruction from Paul to the rich that are believers.
1 Timothy 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; 19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
There is nothing wrong about being rich: it is all about being willing to give it up when the Bridegroom comes for us because our true riches are in Heaven.