Apollo:

This thread is going off topic.

This thread is not about Glenn Griffiths, but rather Jesus Christians and Dave McKay.

Please stay on topic.

Glenn Griffiths has been one of the cults most vocal apologists for a number of years now so I think it's important that newcomers to the thread are given some background info.

However, now that we've dealt with that we can now concentrate on Dave McKay and his cult.

Have you heard any more from the person who complained about the Truth Believers, moderator?

Apollo:

No.

No new information.

Studies in tatters my foot, David. I am actually doing really well, personally, professionally, and academically speaking.

Yes, I have finally earned me my college degree. It's been a long, hard road. And not only that, but my GPA is quite high (about a 3.8 in fact).

And when I get my diploma in a couple of months, than I'll post a copy of it for all to see.

So despite your best efforts against me and highest hopes for my failure, David, I just learned (in the last twenty minutes or so) that I have officially completed my undergraduate requirements for a Bachelor's degree in social psychology.

Of course I do know that you and your goons were writing my University. I have had to explain to the Dean that you are a cult leader who I have worked hard to undermine, and thta it's no wonder that you'd try and undermine and discredit me as welll. No to worry; everybody there knows that I am a good guy, a very good student, and my reputation wiht the University is clean.

David, I hope that you have a very nice day, in whatever paranoid little hole that you are hiding in. My life is better than ever, thank you.

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The JCs have not been successful in recruitment despite a serious increase in their recruitment methods such as DVDs, internet video posting, etc. I ascribe this to 2 things.

1) The amount of negative publicity available on the internet at the RR site, the xJC site, etc, and

2) Dave's recent departure from subtlety. His attacks and lies have become much more transparent to the average newcomer considering joining the group.

The solution to ending their own negative image generation is to get Dave to stop posting on their forum which can only be done by eliminating the forum. I don't believe this is a group-think decision, I believe it's Dave's own acknowledgment, which I see he mentioned some time ago that he is losing control of their forum. He knows that he could not stand firm in not responding to negative posts on his own forum, so the only solution is to eradicate his circus forum altogether.

The solution to stopping the external negative image is to try and convince the RR forum and the xJC forum that the JCs no longer exist, thus eliminating the need for negative press in those two venues.

I also believe a secondary reason for Dave's actions is to eliminate the potential for his own members to read negative posts on the internet also since I believe that he believes that some of the press might be responsible for recent members leaving.

I don't believe this has anything to do with dropping current members, reforming, etc. I believe it's a method to try and keep the current membership he has and also to allow a better chance for recruitment based upon:

If you compare the high tech recruitment methods (internet videos, DVD, forum, etc.) where he has a 99.9% failure rate because of the negative image those potential recruits see on the internet to a new low-tech (based solely on individual encounters, responses from his literature via snail-mail and email) he can increase his recruitment.

After all, a 20% success rate for individual encounters (say maybe a few hundred) with those who express interest via private mail and messaging would be much more successful than a .01% success rate for thousands encountered who have access to his forum, RR, xJCs, etc.

It's all a matter of reducing the risk of a potential convert finding out the truth about the JCs.

In regards to all the other propaganda about not using passports, money, etc, there are two scenarios I see possible, 1) It's all another BIG lie laced deception to mislead his critics or 2) Dave has finally reached a point to where his financial future is assured and he is willing to sacrifice some income to improve control because it did become apparent to many this summer, that there was a great loss of control when even his own members seemed to openly disagree with him on his handling of the little rose dilemma.

So if he takes away his members ability to use money, they won't have easy internet access and access to his detractors and to read what Dave is getting up to which usually results in a negative reflection on the JC cult which, I am sure that many of the members discuss among themselves. If they won't have passports, they won't have the ability to return to their love ones. I don't for one minute believe that Dave himself will EVER not have a passport or internet access, but I believe that now he exclusively will be the person that potential recruits communicate with via email. I believe the most negative aspect for his members distributing literature is the requirement that they solicit money in exchange for the literature. I believe they will STILL hand out his literature (possibly the only recruitment method left in their new low-tech policy) but might not solicit money as they did in the past (if they truly do plan to eliminate money-as far as the MEMBERS are concerned). This would make the distributing much less stressful for the members and also allow Dave to pacify his members concerning the major negative press they have already heard or read. Dave could still continue to receive and solicit donations privately through email connections that he has.

Cheers

Sisi

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David: for personal reasons, I am not going to the CLA graduation ceremony at my university. Therefore, I will have no pictures of myself in a cap and gown or anything like that.

However, when I recieve my diploma, be assured that I'll photograph and post it online.

After all, I would so love for you to see and have a copy of it. I hope that it means as much to you, as it does to me.

And I finished with very high grades, too. I've learned a lot in the last few years. Thanks, David!

interesting turn of events. I've just recently saw that whole Truth believers thing. I was wondering what was happening to them.

Yeah, I was the whipper in the whipping trial.

Welcome. Then I'll give you a call. We've not spoken in a few years.

Welcome aboard, JosDav.

Things are pretty much as they were it would seem. They're still working in small teams though each team now has it's own identity. No doubt this is an attempt to seek new followers without having the JCs baggage hanging over them.

The JCs forum is now a private forum which doesn't get much traffic nowadays. Dave and Glenn are the only people associated to the JCs who still post there.

Here's another website which may be of interest to you. It's believed Grace, Jeremy and Jayme are running this website.

[livewithoutlovingmoney.wordpress.com]