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<title>Fat Shaming as Recruitment Pipeline into NeoNazism (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,161182,161182#msg-161182</link><description><![CDATA[ Active Clubs<br />Fight Clubs<br />Fat Shaming<br />Radicalization<br />Neo Nazi<br />White Supremacy<br /><br /><b>Neo-Nazi Fight Clubs Are Fat-Shaming Men Into White Nationalism</b><br />Fitness groups and fight clubs exclusively for white men, known as “active clubs,” have become a crucial recruitment tool for white nationalists in the U.S.<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7evgw/neo-nazi-fight-clubs-robert-rundo-fat-shaming-white-nationalism" rel="nofollow">www.vice.com</a>]]]></description>
<dc:creator>corboy</dc:creator>
<category>Hate Groups</category><pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2023 13:17:56 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Goyim TV Antisemitism&#039;s New Flavor (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,159588,159588#msg-159588</link><description><![CDATA[ &#039;Thanks Jews, for the publicity’: Is Goyim TV succeeding?<br /><br />[<a href="https://jweekly.com/2022/02/23/thanks-jews-for-the-publicity-is-goyim-tv-succeeding/" rel="nofollow">jweekly.com</a>]<br /><br />Goyim TV was co-founded by Minadeo, a former waiter, amateur actor and now full-time propagandist who monetizes his website with digital payments and by selling antisemitic, homophobic and pro-fascist T-shirts.<br /><br />His goal is to introduce as many people to his ideology as possible. And to earn money to fund his “activism.” Last year he incorporated as Goyim TV, LLC.<br /><br />Minadeo is skilled at courting media attention, and has seen a major boost from the group’s flyering campaign. &quot;]]></description>
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<category>Hate Groups</category><pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:13:18 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Orthodox Christianity Attractive to US White Nationalists (2 replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,157979,157979#msg-157979</link><description><![CDATA[ HOW ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY BECAME THE SPIRITUAL HOME OF WHITE NATIONALISM<br /><br />[<a href="https://religiondispatches.org/how-orthodox-christianity-became-the-spiritual-home-of-white-nationalism/" rel="nofollow">religiondispatches.org</a>]<br /><br />(Excerpt)<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />Heimbach is just the most visible of Orthodoxy’s new neo-fascist converts. An even cursory perusal of the “alt-right” web reveals a large and growing love affair between the threatening margins of our modern Western political discourse and the ancient Christian faith of the East. The double-headed eagle appears on internet message boards and Orthodox crosses adorn the necks of thugs. What the response of the institutional Church to this courting will be is still yet to be written. Arguably, thus far, it has not been swift, public, or bold enough, because it has not been enough to stop it. If Orthodox churches, in America and abroad, only object to fascists in their midst when it becomes publicly embarrassing, then unflattering internet memes are just the least of our problems.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
<dc:creator>corboy</dc:creator>
<category>Hate Groups</category><pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 18:44:44 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>QAnon Material is Decades Old (1 reply)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,156795,156795#msg-156795</link><description><![CDATA[ An interesting discussion on how many QAnon themes are old tired allegations that are decades old.<br /><br />Any time material cannot be disproved, it can&#039;t be got rid of.<br /><br />Conspiracy believers are the cognitive equivalent of hoarders.<br /><br />Posted byu/PiperAnalysis<br />1 day ago<br />QAnon, Adrenochrome, and Hunter S. Thompson<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/mrc20w/qanon_adrenochrome_and_hunter_s_thompson/" rel="nofollow">www.reddit.com</a>]]]></description>
<dc:creator>corboy</dc:creator>
<category>Hate Groups</category><pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 14:19:25 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Research Study (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,156358,156358#msg-156358</link><description><![CDATA[ If you are over the age of 18 and have previously been involved in a cult, you may be eligible to participate in a research study conducted in affiliation with John Jay College of Criminal Justice. The study seeks to improve our understanding of one&#039;s cognitive and emotional response to being involved in a cult, as well as the relationship dynamics within such groups.<br /><br />Participation would include 1.5-2 hours discussing your experiences in a safe, welcoming, and non-judgmental atmosphere (via telephone or WhatsApp). All responses are private and confidential. We hope this data will help others in similar situations and lead to better policies, laws, and services.<br /><br />If you are interested in participating, please send me a private message at your earliest convenience.]]></description>
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<title>QAnon Jargon and Catchphrases (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,155167,155167#msg-155167</link><description><![CDATA[ Here is a list of QAnon jargon and catchprases.<br /><br />5D Consciousness<br />Ascension<br />Brainwashed Doctors<br />COVID-1984<br /><br />Deep State<br />“Do your research”<br /><br />“Do your research”<br />Disclosure<br />“Don’t let yourself be ruled by fear”<br />Down the rabbit hole<br />“Enjoy the show”<br />Forced penetration<br />The Great Awakening<br />Looking at all viewpoints<br />“Mainstream media” (MSM)<br />Mockingbird Media<br />Microchipped<br />“My body my choice”<br />Pizzagate<br />“Powers that be”<br />Red pill<br />Satanic Elite, Cabal, Global Elite<br />Save the Children<br />Sheeple<br />Sovereignty<br />Starseed<br />The Storm<br />“This resonates with me”<br /><br />“Watch this before it is taken down, again“<br />“Where we go one, we go all” (#WWG1WGA)<br /><br />This list is compiled in an article here which gives detailed descriptions of each term. There&#039;s not title, only a URL. The information about the use of jargon in recruitment is so informative that Corboy has quoted it in full.<br /><br />No title, only a URL<br /><br />conspiritualit dot net/ keywords-and-phrases/<br /><br /><br />[<a href="https://conspirituality.net/keywords-and-phrases/" rel="nofollow">conspirituality.net</a>]<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />We feel it’s important to recognize these terms and their relationships to each other as they’re part of a growing language. Studying how this language is used will help increase awareness of conversations listing toward conspirituality in terms of content and emotional impact. Understanding this newly-formed vernacular also helps people recognize when they’ve left the land of information.<br /><br />Parallel to high-emotional impact, these terms share low-definitional precision. Red pill, 5D, and starseed mean many poignant things to a spectrum of passionate users. This allows for the power of poetic suggestiveness. But it also lets speakers constantly move goalposts and express plausible deniability (i.e.: “No, I’m not talking about that. How dare you suggest I’m using anti-semitic / anti-vaxx / pro-Q language!”).<br /><br />Jargon is not meant to convey data, share perspectives, or persuade. Its function is to establish a symbolic or ritual order where certain questions can no longer be asked and to provide a threshold test for admittance to an in-group. Users bond over these terms, but not necessarily because they share consistent definitions of them. The bonding happens because the terms signal the sharing of emotional contagion.<br /><br />Robert Jay Lifton’s famous analysis of “totalist” language is useful here. Lifton’s work has been used for 60 years to describe language that protects itself from scrutiny or analysis as it builds social and political power.<br /><br />The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché. The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed.<br /><br />Totalist language, then, is repetitiously centered on all-encompassing jargon, prematurely abstract, highly categorical, relentlessly judging, and to anyone but its most devoted advocate, deadly dull.<br /><br />Lifton, Robert Jay. Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: a Study of “Brainwashing” in China. W.W. Norton, 1961. pp. 429-30.<br /><br />Reading these terms is one thing, but it’s also worth noting that Lifton’s descriptions of “thought-terminating” repetitions that are “easily memorized and easily expressed” attain new intensity when the influencer deploys them in video format. Combined with hypnotic rhythms and intrusive eye contact, the pre-cognitive impact of the terms ramps up.<br /><br />When the influencers we’ve studied on this podcast use these terms, they usually also deploy techniques that emphasize relational power over verbal meaning. Altogether, the vaguely-defined but powerful terms can combine with high-def video and sonorous, prayer-like sermonizing to create an immersive and bonding experience.<br /><br /><i>Finally, it’s prudent to pay special attention to those influencers who can seem to turn this on and off at will.</i> Some of the most powerful and seemingly credible communicators of CS-to-Q are “renegade” medical doctors that are able to flip into sermon mode and use this jargon as a kind of release valve in the midst of their more boring and complicated health ideas.<br /><br />Part of what they’re doing is weaponizing the complexity of medicine against an anxious public. Their sermons are calibrated to soothe the very anxiety they provoke.</div></blockquote> ** (see footnote)<br /><br />What follows is a list of QAnon terminology and detailed descriptions.<br /><br />** Footnote<br /><br />Corboy: this statement is of the utmost importance. In genuine and agenda free communication from medical professionals and researchers, a sober and steady tone is used throughout with *no* exploitation of hot button emotion.<br /><br />This procedure originated in the mid 17th century when the Royal Society created a prodecure manual for articles and correspondance. England had emerged from a decades long civil war and years of rage driven rhetoric. The Royal Society was determined to avoid this at all costs. The new, evidence based knowleged was to be presented in a manner that was persuasive, not influencer-driven. A true scientist was and is inflammatory and indoctrinational.<br /><br />This has been the model for communication, written and spoken, in science and medicine ever since. Anyone who consistently deviates from this develops a bad reputation and is eventually discredited. Persons so discredited often go on the conspiracy and new age media circuits -- and get revenge by attacking the reputable establishments which ejected them for their bad manners.]]></description>
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<category>Hate Groups</category><pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:54:10 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Recovering Conspiracy Theorist Explains the Appeal (1 reply)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,155039,155039#msg-155039</link><description><![CDATA[ Very helpful post from someone who has recovered.<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/irl368/im_expizzagate_rightwing_follower_i_want_to_help/" rel="nofollow">www.reddit.com</a>]<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />I&#039;m ex-pizzagate / right-wing follower, I want to help others understand how people in conspiracies feel<br /><br />There are a few posts on this subreddit from people who are ex-qanon. Even though I never followed this conspiracy, I used to be into pizzagate during Trump&#039;s first term around the time he was elected in 2016. I wanted to share my experience to help people affected by QAnon to choose how to act in their relationships. I&#039;m not from US and I&#039;m not a native speaker.<br /><br />I think a precondition for all of this is some kind of unresolved trauma and mental health issues. I was dealing with anxiety, depression, ADHD, and some panic attacks here and there. On top of that, I was kind of an asshole to begin with, with dark triad personality traits showing: narcissistic, manipulative, revengeful etc. I never had any relationships and I was really good at alienating people. I rarely see people in good mental health (even though it&#039;s so rare nowadays) to be invested in any conspiracies. In fact, I don&#039;t recall any that I know personally.<br /><br />So, it all started on reddit. It began with stumbling upon a few &quot;alternative&quot; subreddits, you know those with prefixes &quot;real&quot;, &quot;anarchy&quot;, &quot;true&quot;, etc. To this day I&#039;m still not sure what triggered the hate spiral in me. I think one of possibilities is that any unresolved conflicts are channeled in anger and negative energy.<br /><br />There are ways to use those conflicts in other ways, for example art and creation is often a result of sublimation, but this is considered a &quot;mature&quot; defence mechanism and it still requires some effort.<br /><br />Hate, however, is easy, especially when there are so many communities online offering hate in a ready-to-eat form.<br /><br />Nowadays I think there&#039;s a link between this up/down voting system and hate; I feel like direct influence on content visibility allows people invested in extremist movements to religiously bring more and more of such content to be discovered by others, brigade social media platforms, and so on. I think hate gives an incredibly strong motivation for doing what might initially appear as a mindless and repetitive task.<br /><br />Anyway, I became a part of this toxic system. I wasn&#039;t feeling better, no, but seeing someone posting a meme about (ugly name deleted --C) or (ugly name deleted--C) would trigger some kind of a hormone response that fed the addiction.<br /><br />A lot of people describe their relatives watching qanon videos all day -- know that they&#039;re essentially on an IV drip of some stuff they crave.<br /><br />I have no idea how it works inside body, but I&#039;m willing to bet there&#039;s a physical response to this behavior.</div></blockquote><br />This post is full of excellent material. Sit down and read the entire thing.<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/irl368/im_expizzagate_rightwing_follower_i_want_to_help/" rel="nofollow">www.reddit.com</a>]<br /><br />The author will tell you how he or she got out of conspiracy theory mode: feeling miserable, hitting bottom and wanting a better life. The person got out of social isolation and learned how to make friends and handle painful emotions. Improvement in mental and social health caused conspiracy theory material to lose its appeal!]]></description>
<dc:creator>corboy</dc:creator>
<category>Hate Groups</category><pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2022 14:37:22 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>QAnon Finances (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,155033,155033#msg-155033</link><description><![CDATA[ QAnon Website Shuts Down After N.J. Man Identified as Operator -Bloomberg<br /><br />By William Turton<br />September 11, 2020, 11:55 AM PDT<br /><br />Popular aggregator site received millions of monthly visitors<br />Qmap.pub’s creator is known online only as ‘QAppAnon’<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-11/qanon-website-shuts-down-after-n-j-man-identified-as-operator" rel="nofollow">www.bloomberg.com</a>]<br /><br />(Excerpt)<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />QAppAnon, the online name of qmap’s creator, also runs a Patreon account, which receives more than $3,000 a month in donations, according to the Patreon site. In March, QAppAnon announced on Patreon an upcoming Android app named “Armor of God,” a social network for followers of QAnon.<br /><br />In Armor of God’s Google Play Store profile, the service describes itself as a platform “<i>designed for patriots worldwide to create and share content including prayers, news, memes and posts</i>.” The developer’s email address listed on the Google Play page is “support@patriotplatforms.com.”<br /><br />.. After a Bloomberg News investigation, the Armor of God app was no longer accessible on the Google Play store.</div></blockquote><br />Corboy comment: Google needs to do a better job weeding out toxic apps from its Play Store offerings.]]></description>
<dc:creator>corboy</dc:creator>
<category>Hate Groups</category><pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2020 03:15:44 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>Unsanitized QAnon Differs frm Social Media QAnon (6 replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,155029,155029#msg-155029</link><description><![CDATA[ &quot;I am afraid that the sanitized version of Q&#039;s message that is being filtered out through other sites is tricking people that wouldn&#039;t be tricked if they saw the truth of the QAnon home boards.&quot;<br /><br />From the Reddit QAnon Casualties site:<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/iqeqov/a_subject_i_want_the_media_and_reporters_to/" rel="nofollow">www.reddit.com</a>]<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />Posted byu/TiredofQue<br />1 day ago<br />GoldCoin GiftPlus OneFaith In Humanity Restored<br />A subject I want the media and reporters to emphasize in their reports about QAnon<br /><br />For all media who are here and looking for information, here is one thing that I personally think is important about QAnon that I haven&#039;t seen reported on yet.<br /><br />The pornographic content posted and the attitude displayed by the people who frequent the Q boards, all the &#039;patriots&#039; and &#039;bakers&#039; and &#039;dedicated anons&#039;.<br /><br />The data from Q or the &quot;Q drops&quot; are getting cleaned up and presented to people on youtube, instagram and facebook, and the horrible content of the 8kun board is getting sanitized away.<br /><br />I feel like some of these mothers, grandmothers, conservative christians and the like would not be so fast to buy into all of this stuff if they were on the actual board on 8kun, and wading through all the negative stuff there.<br /><br />Any journalists who haven&#039;t been to the actual 8kun boards (because it requires using a Tor anonymizer browser and going on the dark web) are doing themselves and this story a disservice. You owe it to your readers to get on the 8kun site and see the real boards. There is a reason that QAnon is from the chans and kuns. Their content would never make it through the content filters on facebook, youtube or instagram.<br /><br />here are the things I have seen that drove me away and made me refuse to believe in a lot of this stuff.<br /><br />Pornographic pictures of young white women, posted up as &#039;rewards&#039; for the hardworking anons who are online scrolling through the boards all day and &#039;saving the children&#039;. And if you ask the board if all the women in these pictures are verified to be over 18, and verified to have willingly given their nude photos to be used as &#039;rewards&#039; for the bakers and patriots, the answer is no. Just try asking and you will be chased off the board with insults and nasty remarks.<br /><br />Porn in general - pornographic pictures and videos are posted all day long of various sex acts and things like people having sex with animals. There is also revenge porn dedicated to &#039;punishing&#039; white women who have &#039;bred&#039; with other races.<br /><br />constant memes and insults to just about any group other than white christian men. Jews, blacks, gays, trans, feminists, sjws, and they use really awful terms.<br /><br />Mocking posts where they do things like post pictures of the wives of congresspeople, and use doctored photos to make them look as ugly and masculine as possible, with the joke being &#039;ha ha that dude is married to a guy!&#039;<br /><br />Spend some time on that board and see the torrent of hate, prejudice, anger, and porn that cascades all day long as these men spend 18 hours day scrolling through the site.<br /><br />It seems to me if you are on a noble mission to save children from pedophiles and sex trafficking, that one of your first rules should be no porn on your rescue board!<br /><br />If people could see what goes on on the real Q board, and see the inconsistencies between and how these people act, and what they claim to want to stop, this would help others see through the lies.<br /><br />I am afraid that the sanitized version of Q&#039;s message that is being filtered out through other sites is tricking people that wouldn&#039;t be tricked if they saw the truth of the QAnon home boards.</div></blockquote><br />For the comments following this post go here:<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/iqeqov/a_subject_i_want_the_media_and_reporters_to/" rel="nofollow">www.reddit.com</a>]<br /><br />Following the post one person wrote response that is informative and adds context about online portals used during QAnon&#039;s earlier phase:<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />level 1<br />SavedByHisMercy<br />25 points ·<br />1 day ago<br /><br />Hi OP I have a question, what is 8kun and what are chans and kuns? My mom is super into this stuff but I haven&#039;t heard of what you&#039;ve mentioned before. Could someone explain?<br />level 2<br />zystyl<br />42 points ·<br />1 day ago<br /><br />Chans are image boards for japanese comics and animated videos. The original english one was 4chan.org The owner added lots of other boards over time, and the culture revolved around being anonymous. Lots of old memes and jokes came from 4chan, but there was also a lot of pedo content, sexual content, and eventually /pol came around.<br /><br />It ended up being the basis for what became the racist sexist alt right.<br /><br />Eventually the original owner sold 4chan. New owner wanted it to be marketable so split off some of the more fringe content. Things like the /pol that all the qanon posts came from got banned so they magically moved to something called 8chan.<br /><br />8chan got taken down as (I believe) a terrorist threat. At that point it seems like it went onto the tor network under the 8kun brand. Tor is famous for things like silk road drug sales, and pedos. There&#039;s a lot of good things there too though, so don&#039;t misunderstand the whole network.<br /><br />Tor is pretty easy now. You just download the Tor Browser Bundle from the website and it&#039;s plug and play. I&#039;m sure most journalists already use similar software like otr so should be familiar with the concept.</div></blockquote><br />One person commented:<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />level 1<br />fishspit<br />159 points ·<br />1 day ago<br /><br />I agree! One way that people get knocked out of extremist groups is by being exposed to the more extreme parts of the ideology “too early”. Radicalization and indoctrination are gradual processes, so throwing a Qanon person into the deep end too soon might just shock them, and send them on a path back to the real world.<br /><br />Journalists need to pull back the curtain and show people where this shit comes from. It’s not pretty, and the people deserve to know about that.</div></blockquote><br />Another person noted:<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />WrongYouAreNot<br />78 points ·<br />1 day ago<br /><br />I couldn’t agree more. I’m not sure if it’s within polite boundaries, but it might be worth emailing some of the reporters who have shared their information with the community that might be receptive to this. I think it needs to get out, and more stories of “My mom and I don’t speak because we have differences of opinion” aren’t going to cut it.<br /><br />This conspiracy is based on radical extremism and I doubt most of the Twitter/Facebook side of the followers have any idea where these drops are actually coming from. Even the way some of the more thorough articles depict the phenomenon can often be described as more “Hey look at this nutty conspiracy theory and the kooky people who believe it” more than “This is a white supremacist cult that is forged through posts of pornography, white supremacy, hate, and violence.”</div></blockquote><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />rilobright<br />26 points ·<br />23 hours ago<br /><br />Yeah how does no one realise the absurdity of an anti-paedo crusade starting on an imageboard known as a hotbed for paedos (and white supremacists, and misogynists, etc)? Or just the ridiculousness of a top level military intelligence agent using a greasy anime board to communicate with the public? It&#039;s beyond obvious that this is a prank that&#039;s gotten out of hand.<br />level 2<br />PauseAndReflect<br />11 points ·<br />23 hours ago<br /><br />I’m not totally convinced it started as a prank. I almost feel like it’s an extension of the Meme Wars.<br />Continue this thread<br />level 1<br />TacoBoppinKropotkin<br />17 points ·<br />1 day ago<br /><br />not to mention the fact that 8chan was fucking FULL of pedo-porn back when.<br />level 1<br />PoliticalNerd87<br />18 points ·<br />1 day ago<br /><br />That is disgusting. This made me sick.<br />level 1<br />transfo47<br />16 points ·<br />20 hours ago<br /><br />Absolutely. I don&#039;t get how these Christians who scream over sex scenes in movies dedicate their lives to a guy from the CHANS of all places. They&#039;re literally some of the most unholy places on the net.</div></blockquote><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />An_Odd_Tree<br />5 points ·<br />12 hours ago<br /><br />If I could upvote this 1000x I would!<br /><br />The moment I went from thinking this was some new conspiracy theory to seeing that it was a fucked up pedo cult was when I went to the boards and saw the pornography for myself. At that time, in 2018 (I haven&#039;t been there since then), the boards were also ripe with child pornography. People would post it on the boards as &quot;research&quot; to try to determine if the person involved was hillary or not. It was then that I realized. This is not research. These people are sick.<br /><br />I honestly believe that a bunch of the q pushers are pedophiles. Not even projecting, just actually being creeps and trolling. It&#039;s so fucking sick.<br /><br />I tell people this, but its true that Most q believers haven&#039;t been to 8chan. They just watch youtube videos and think they have it all figured out. But the people who know what this is about and still push it are a special kind of fucked up human. Thanks for pointing this out. You said it very well. Much better than I can. When I talk about this stuff I&#039;m literally so disturbed by it that I get fucking angry and probably dont communicate so well.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
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<category>Hate Groups</category><pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2021 19:16:09 +0000</pubDate></item>
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<title>QAnon Conspiracy Believers - Coercive Behavior (2 replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,155001,155001#msg-155001</link><description><![CDATA[ <b>An Alarming Story of QAnon Believers Aggressively Red Pilling A Family Member</b><br /><br />On the Reddit QAnon Casualties discussion community, a woman described what appears to have been a very aggressive indoctrinationtion attempt by QAnonist family members.<br /><br />This was perpetrated in the guise of a family get together at a cabin 4 hours away from the nearest airport.<br /><br />What saved this person was possessing a phone and a fiancee who had a truck and drove to rescue her.<br /><br /><br />A participant in this discussion, Jean-PaultheCat noted:<br />11 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />“Red Pilling” friends, family and anyone who will listen is a huge part of being a Q member. There was a whole playbook of how you’re supposed to go about getting new members that circulated around. It follows cult tactics. This is absolutely what they are trying to do to you. I’m so sorry you’re stuck there, that has to feel so helpless. If they try and convince you to stay, leave with any excuse you need.<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/ilx9ys/i_think_i_was_brought_on_a_girls_trip_to_be/" rel="nofollow">www.reddit.com</a>]<br /><br />Subreddit Icon<br />r/QAnonCasualties<br />•Posted byu/thepoopinthesky1<br />5 days ago<br />Wholesome Seal of Approval<br /><br /><b>I think I was brought on a “girls trip” to be brainwashed. Thoughts?</b><br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />I think I was brought on a “girls trip” to be brainwashed. Thoughts?<br /><br />UPDATE 2: It is now 7:00PM here on friday evening. I was able to get out of the cabin yesterday. My fiance showed up and knocked on the door and when I opened the door he told to get into the truck and he went to grab my things. I had packed everything up under the pretense of cleaning my sleeping area. He was in the cabin for a few minutes and when eventually got into the vehicle he wouldn&#039;t tell me what had been said but I knew there had been words thrown around.<br /><br />A few people had asked why I didn&#039;t assert myself more and demand they stop with the Q bullshit. I did. At the beginning I did ask for them to stop with all politics talk. This was obviously dismissed. My mother said that their talk wasn&#039;t political. A few people have also scoffed that I would mention being in any physical harm. I don&#039;t know how many crazy cultists you guys deal with but this was my first time, and I wasn&#039;t sure what was happening or what could happen. My mother knew I did not hold any of her beliefs as she had previously tried to talk to me about some Q stuff and I shut her down asap. There was something about the atmosphere in that cabin that just turned my stomach and I cannot place it but it made me feel afraid.<br /><br />I slept in late today and have spent the day trying to understand what happened. Nothing about it was violent but it WAS deeply sinister. After reflecting and reading comments I do believe they were trying to bring me over to their &quot;side.&quot; My stomach feels sick just thinking about how everything happened. I still struggle trying to comprehend everything. On the drive home my fiance pointed out they had gaslit me and used cult tactics to destablize me. The cabin was an open loft type of cabin and they would stay up late even after I had said I wanted to go to sleep. I would be in my bed pretending to be asleep but also just listening to them talk Q until 3AM. The next day I would be tired but I guess they would be too.<br /><br />This will probably be my last update. I have to figure out how to mourn my still living mother and make sense of everything that transpired. Although I am very open to any resources anybody might have that would help with the process. I have not been contacted by my mother or my aunts since I left, which makes me believe they were guilty of what I was expecting. I want to thank every person that reached out to me and offered any advice. I would have never thought I would be in an absolutely bizzare situation like this. I am not going to delete this post for the time being in hopes that it helps anybody else who might find themselves in a similar situation.<br /><br />UPDATE: The time is 5:39 PM here and the idea was floated to stay a couple more days. I refused to accept this and I demanded that we leave at the agreed upon time. I found service and was able to contact my fiancé and informed him of the new plans. He left work early and is driving to get me. My family does not know he is coming. I am not worried about him not being able to take me. He is nearly seven feet tall and 350 pounds and my mom is scared of him. I am playing it cool and not letting anybody know he is coming. A few people made it clear I needed to leave and soon. I didn’t realize how fucked up the situation was and I thank everybody for their advice and for reaching out. I will update again when I can.<br /><br />I am sorry if the formatting of this is odd, I had to write this post out on notes and paste it in.<br /><br />So my mom (56/f)has always leaned far more right then me(29/f). We have had our disagreements in the past and even went a couple years without speaking because of a comment she made about a close friend of mine. She came back into my life when she apologized about two years ago and I accepted her apology. Within the past year though I have noticed a massive uptick in far right postings and comments on her Facebook. My fiancé and I are both vocal supporters of black lives matter and do not believe any of the qanon bullshit. Whenever I would post to my “story” on Instagram regarding any of the worlds current events she would post to her Facebook a post refuting why Covid isn’t a thing, or why George Floyd died of fentanyl poisoning instead of police brutality. I decided not to engage and would shut down any of her attempts to bait me on any of the topics. We have been coexisting quietly with me keeping her at an arms length.<br /><br />But about a month ago my mom approached me about taking a girls trip with her and some of my aunts and some of my cousins into a popular Rocky Mountain town to “get away”. I wasn’t overjoyed about the idea of going away with some of my least favourite people so I made a few excuses why I couldn’t go. My mother continued to badger me until I said fine.<br /><br />Four days ago we were packing up to leave and putting our bags into my moms car (I also noticed her new qanon sticker on her rear window) when I asked where everybody else was, my mom then informed me that a few of my aunts and all of my cousins couldn’t get time off. So it was just going to be me, my mom, and two of my aunts. I immediately started to feel uneasy and informed my fiancé of this change. He also felt uneasy and told me not to go. I decided not to listen to my gut and went anyway.<br /><br />The car ride into the mountains was quiet and I spent most of it “sleeping” while listening to my music. But then we arrived and I found out they had a rented a literal cabin in the woods that was far from the main town we were supposed to have been staying in. My bags weren’t even out of the Jeep when the talk started. My mom started talking to my aunts about the usual qanon topics which is something she used to never do in front of me. Then I realized my two aunts who were also with us were just as deep into the qanon shit as my mom was.<br /><br />They started playing videos and audio they said had to deal with the trafficking of kids for adrenochrome. We are in Canada but they said if joe Biden gets in next election the world will end, they even talked about how they were thinking of committing voting fraud in the states to ensure a trump presidency. Every musician and actor is a pedo and when I am asked what I am listening to I almost always get a reply “they are involved and you shouldn’t listen to them”.<br /><br />This has been going on the past few days and I have been hesitant to call it what it is but I believe they brought me here to attempt to “reprogram” me. There is next to no cell service at the cabin but when we went into town yesterday I got away for a little while by claiming to need to buy some toiletries. Really I went into a Starbucks and called my fiancé and told him everything. He knows i can’t go home and advised me not to do anything to upset them because we really dont know how far they will go. I have been letting everything go in one ear and out the other as much as possible. They attempt to bait me into arguments but I literally just pretend not to have heard them. I know if I engage they will become irrational and incoherent. My mother has also started playing audio from some sort of YouTube series at night that deals with the trafficking of children for adrenochrome. I have a white noise playlist on my phone so I literally just listen to that all night.<br /><br />Right now we are in town and I am sitting on a toilet in this restaurant while they are outside. I am hurt that my mother would do this to me but honestly I am more upset that I didn’t see this coming. I believe she is too far gone to be saved and when I get home I am going to discontinue contact with her. She knows my fiancé and I have been trying to get pregnant and had mentioned yesterday that I needed to “awake” before I had kids so I could protect them like she was trying to protect me.<br /><br />Does this seem to be an attempt at “reprogramming”? Am I being overly sensitive? Has anybody else dealt with something like this?<br /><br />level 1<br />thepoopinthesky1<br />211 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />I am just going to leave this here. I am worried that this trip will be extended into the weekend and no matter what I say my thoughts will be dismissed. I contacted my fiancé and he knows the rough location for the cabin. If the trip is extended again any more nights he is going to come and get me with a couple of our close friends. We have agreed that tomorrow I’ll send him a message by the time we are supposed to leave and if we haven’t left by then he will come and get me. Thank you for all your messages. It’s good to know I am not being overly sensitive and my suspicions are correct. I’ll respond when I can but for now I am going to spend as little time writing so I don’t make them suspicious.</div></blockquote><br />(Corboy note: Members of the Reddit community responded. A rescue discussion ensued. Many supported &#039;thepoopinthesky1&#039; suspicions that she was being coerced (&quot;re-programming&quot; in a cultic manner. )<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />hepoopinthesky1<br />47 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />Originally I was told we were leaving tonight but apparently everybody wants to stay another night so we are leaving early tomorrow morning.<br />level 3<br />justanotherlidian<br />26 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />to figure out a way to get to the airport or somewhere public you can stay for a long period of time if you need friends or your fiance to get you.<br /><br />I think most likely you will probably just spend the rest of your time with your headphones in and uncomfortably avoiding the topic. I&#039;m really sorry you&#039;re going through this. It sounds like a total nightmare.<br />level 7<br />MeowMeNot<br />10 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />Enterprise Rent a Car will come and pick you up.<br />level 7<br />mmnuffin<br />7 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />I&#039;m in BC as well - does the town you are near have a shelter where you can hunker down until your husband can come to get you? I&#039;m happy to help any way I can. Be safe ????<br />level 7<br />fishtacos123<br />12 points ·<br />5 days ago<br />· edited 5 days ago<br /><br />There is no reason to think you&#039;re in physical danger, so get that out of your head. My only advice is for you to attempt to push the conversation toward inclusive activities and whenever a topic related to this nonsense comes up, ignore it, as many have mentioned. Ignoring might be perceived as shitty, but pushing for boundaries implied by phrases like &quot;I&#039;m here to enjoy myself on vacation. Thank you all again, this was much needed&quot; is helpful, and keep ignoring.<br /><br />They&#039;re looking for something to get pissed about, so your strongest card here is maintaining the pretense of a getaway and &quot;me&quot; time and showing your appreciation for it.<br /><br />If they get annoyed and aggravated, continue ignoring, and when inevitably coaxed into a response, just say &quot;no politics or religion, please - this is a vacation&quot;. It&#039;s the only thing you got and it&#039;s disarming as hell.<br />level 7<br />Msbossyboots<br /><br /><br /><br />You could feign the need for a trip to town and just refuse to go back with them.<br />level 6<br />leopard_eater<br />8 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />Or feign the need to get home because your partner has a suspected burst appendix, etc.<br />level 5<br />HolleringCorgis<br />7 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />Can you download a book (libby, overdrive, kindle) and just read?<br /><br />Can you stick it out until tomorrow morning?<br />level 4<br />thepoopinthesky1<br />48 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />I have no other option at this point. I am four hours away from home, I could probably get a ride to the nearest town and fly home but I don’t know how they would react and I am not sure if that’s something I want to know the answer to.<br />level 5<br />UnKaveh<br />24 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />Honestly, it might not hurt to send a message and just leave. I don&#039;t know you or your life but if it&#039;s possible - just get out and simply and calmly tell them why. They might react but just ignore them and leave.<br /><br />That&#039;s kind of an ideal situation. Showing them that you seriously believe they are wrong and you&#039;re not some pushover to be indoctrinated. She&#039;s going to try to pull this BS again, one way or another if you keep her in your life.<br /><br />That being said. I don&#039;t know if you have financial dependence with your family. If you&#039;re normally super close. All I know is this is a really awful thing to put your daughter or your niece through. This is extremely selfish, thoughtless and mean spirited.<br />level 6<br />thepoopinthesky1<br />31 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />Being 4 hours away and at least an hour from the nearest airport is not ideal. I thought about flying home but I can’t afford it and my fiancé can’t leave work to come get me. I can’t take my moms car. I don’t know if I am in physical danger but I am treading lightly until I can go home.<br />level 7<br />UnKaveh<br />18 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />Yeah that&#039;s where it gets really difficult. I was kind of just hoping you were loaded. I was going to suggest a really expensive uber to the airport.<br /><br />But that&#039;s a ton of money. If you feel in danger or anything, just try to fi<br /><br />level 1<br />Straight_Ace<br />7 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />There is all sorts of huge red flags here and I would point to yes this is an attempt at reprogramming. It’s creepy, weird and I would definitely distance myself from them. Get your fiancé and some friends to come bring you home and back to safety before these people try more “invasive” methods of trying to reprogram you.<br />level 1<br />bestjeanest<br />6 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />You absolutely are not being overly sensitive! I think that yes, this could be an attempt to &quot;redpill&quot; you. There are specific tactics Qanons share with each other on how to indoctrinate people, especially family/spouses. I am so sorry you have to deal with this. I think your decision to cut off contact now is the right choice.<br />level 1<br />limequartz<br />6 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />Please try to get home. QAnon is an actual cult and you don&#039;t know what they&#039;ll do in the middle of the woods.<br /><br />Do you have transportation? Can you run away from the cabin and book a hotel somewhere in the nearby town until you can find a way to get home?<br /><br />level 1<br />Eternal_Reflection<br />4 points ·<br />5 days ago<br /><br />Wow that sucks so bad, I’m sorry. I can’t relate to the crazy conspiracy parents, but from a stranger’s perspective, I feel you’re justified in cutting contact. It was clearly duplicative of her to bring you on that trip, even if it was with her delusional “best intentions”.<br /><br />Imo, the comments about you not being ready for parenting is a red line. You can expect her to try to reprogram your kids if given the opportunity. Deal with that as you wish, but wanted to make you aware that is a risk you’ll have to take in order to keep her in your life. I’m so sorry you have to deal with this :<br /><br />HermesTheMessenger<br />5 points ·<br />4 days ago<br /><br />UPDATE: The time is 5:39 PM here and the idea was floated to stay a couple more days. I refused to accept this and I demanded that we leave at the agreed upon time. I found service and was able to contact my fiancé and informed him of the new plans. He left work early and is driving to get me. My family does not know he is coming.<br /><br />[you will probably read this later ... but ...]<br /><br />Good. When he shows up, walk out with a smile and just leave. Do not stop.<br /><br />I can&#039;t say that I have had that level of manipulation but I have had some incidences. For some reason, people think they can read minds when they would be better served talking with each other instead of asserting an ideology.<br />level 1<br />Brndrll<br />5 points ·<br />4 days ago<br /><br />First: Thank goodness that you are out of the situation; they didn&#039;t have to get violent to hurt you. You are safe now, though!<br /><br />Second: Have you thought to reach out to any of the family that canceled on the trip? You may not be alone. They may know what&#039;s up and tried to avoid it. At worst, they aren&#039;t aware and you can intercept the Qult.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
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<title>In 2014 Black Feminists ID&#039;d 4CHAN Hate Industry (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,153965,153965#msg-153965</link><description><![CDATA[ <b>The Black Feminists Who Saw the Alt-Right Threat Coming</b><br /><br /><i>Before Gamergate, before the 2016 election, they launched a campaign against Twitter trolls masquerading as women of color. If only more people had paid attention</i>. Rachelle Hampton Slat<br /><br /><br />[<a href="https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-black-feminists-who-saw-the-alt-right-threat-coming?utm_source=pocket-newtab" rel="nofollow">getpocket.com</a>]<br /><br />Corboy comment:<br /><br />Hate is not the difficult relative ranting at the holiday table. Hate is not the un-medicated lunatic on the bus.<br /><br />Readers, what we have is an entire Hate Industry<br /><br />Hate is not stupid.<br />Hate has always been media-savvy -- ever since the printing press was invented.<br />Hate is organized.<br />Hate is intelligent.<br />Hate has long term business plans.<br />Hate knows how to use SEO (Search Engine Optimization)<br /><br />A small quotation from the article. Asterisks by Corboy for emphasis<br /><br />&quot;What Crockett found on 4chan showed how coordinated and deliberate “trolling” could be—and how dangerous.<br /><br />In the recesses of 4chan message boards, she saw users discussing #SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen, the hashtag started by Mikki Kendall, the black feminist writer, in early 2014 to pinpoint how whiteness was centered in many conversations about feminism—specifically, she found 4chan users noting how that hashtag had exposed deep fissures among online feminists along racial lines. **Users on 4chan had seemingly been observing the tensions among black and white feminists online and decided that creating fake accounts for black feminists was one way to further stoke those tensions** &quot;<br /><br />Hate is not stupid Hate has superb analytic and strategic skills.<br /><br />There exists a Hate Industry and this article describes how to identify it and fight it.]]></description>
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<title>Neo Nazi Recruitment Networks Music Martial Arts (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,153609,153609#msg-153609</link><description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br /><br />Keywords<br /><br />Denis Nikitin White Rex<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />“It’s appealing to neo-Nazis because they can learn their violence there — techniques, athleticism, how to train, what nutrition they need.”</div></blockquote><br /><b>A Russian neo-Nazi football hooligan is trying to build an MMA empire across Europe</b><br /><br />“He seems to be connected in almost every European country through his fighting and hooligan activities.” by Tim Hume<br />Jul 26 2018, 12:54pm<br /><br /><br />[<a href="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/435mjw/a-russian-neo-nazi-football-hooligan-is-trying-to-build-an-mma-empire-across-europe" rel="nofollow">www.vice.com</a>]</div></blockquote><br /><br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br /><br />Keywords:<br /><br /><br />Asgardrei Music Festival Azov Movement National Militia National Corps Stutthof Seigneur Voland Wodulf<br />Atomwaffen Division The Third Path Party CasaPound Alexey Levkin M8L8TH<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />According to Haaretz, Asgardsrei was founded by Russian neo-Nazi Alexey Levkin, a far-right dissident who came to Ukraine in 2014 to support Azov, which has since actively forged links with like-minded groups elsewhere.</div></blockquote><br /><br /><b>A Black Metal Festival in Ukraine This Weekend Is the Neo-Nazi Networking Event of the Year</b><br /><br />“2 days, 14 bands, 1,500 places, 0 tolerance,” its website reads.<br />by Tim Hume<br />Dec 13 2019,<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/dygg9j/a-black-metal-festival-in-ukraine-this-weekend-is-the-neo-nazi-networking-event-of-the-year" rel="nofollow">www.vice.com</a>]</div></blockquote><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br /><br /><b>Most neo-Nazi Music Festivals Are Closely Guarded Secrets — Not This One in Ukraine</b><br /><br />The annual Asgardsrei festival in Kiev is shockingly open about staging far-right bands with anti-Semitic, violent lyrics, yet the mainstream media seems prepared to give it a pass as it returns this weekend.<br /><br />Michael Colborne (Kyiv) Dec 12, 201<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-most-neo-nazi-music-festivals-are-closely-guarded-secrets-not-this-one-1.8260218" rel="nofollow">www.haaretz.com</a>]</div></blockquote>]]></description>
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<title>Refusal to Hate - Become a Mensch Don&#039;t Allow Tech To Use Us (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,151639,151639#msg-151639</link><description><![CDATA[ What does this have to do with cults and recovery from cults?<br /><br />Corboy believes this topic has everything to do with cults and recovery from cults.<br /><br />Today cults recruit online and even develop online. Ditto for hate.<br /><br /><br />TECH BESTOF2010S<br />Alienated, Alone And Angry: What The Digital Revolution Really Did To Us<br />We were promised community, civics, and convenience. Instead, we found ourselves dislocated, distrustful, and disengaged.<br /><br />Joseph Bernstein<br />BuzzFeed News Reporter<br />Posted on December 17, 2019, at 10:23 a.m. ET<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/in-the-2010s-decade-we-became-alienated-by-technology" rel="nofollow">www.buzzfeednews.com</a>]]]></description>
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<title>The Incel Group - Articles (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,151429,151429#msg-151429</link><description><![CDATA[ The Story of the Incel Is the Story of the 2010s<br />In the last decade, ‘involuntary celibate’ has come to define a distinct kind of modern masculine rage and misogyny.<br />By Dominique Sisley; illustrated by Marta Parszeniew<br />13 December 2019, 1:45amhttps://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/m7qqen/what-is-an-incel-how-incel-culture-grew-2010s<br /><br /><br /><br />Learn to Decode the Secret Language of the Incel Subculture<br />Experts have a tough time with these enraged, sex-obsessed men because they literally can&#039;t understand what they&#039;re saying.<br />By Allie Conti<br />26 June 2018, 1:30am<br /><br /><br />[<a href="https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7xmaze/learn-to-decode-the-secret-language-of-the-incel-subculture?utm_source=stylizedembed_vice.com&amp;utm_campaign=m7qqen&amp;site=vice" rel="nofollow">www.vice.com</a>]<br /><br /><br />This Is What It&#039;s Like to Treat an Incel as a Sex Therapist<br />It&#039;s a balancing act.<br />By Allie Conti<br />14 May 2018, 1:45am<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/435g9p/how-to-help-an-incel-sex-therapist?utm_source=stylizedembed_vice.com&amp;utm_campaign=m7qqen&amp;site=vice" rel="nofollow">www.vice.com</a>]]]></description>
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<title>Tolerating Bigoted Jokes Numbs Our Boundaries (1 reply)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,150488,150488#msg-150488</link><description><![CDATA[ [<a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/30/us/white-supremacist-woman-reeve/index.html" rel="nofollow">www.cnn.com</a>]<br /><br />This above URL is a CNN article in which a woman describes how she went from identifying as liberal to joining a white supremacist group, Identity Europa, and<br />became a highly effective re recruiter.<br /><br />It began with tolerating her boyfriends hate humor...which desensitized her boundaries.]]></description>
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<title>Are Christian Identity (a.k.a. Identity Christian) Sects Cults? (1 reply)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,147931,147931#msg-147931</link><description><![CDATA[ <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/cults/comments/bujbx8/are_christian_identity_aka_identity_christian/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reddit.com/r/cults/comments/bujbx8/are_christian_identity_aka_identity_christian/</a>]]></description>
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<title>A webcomic based on experiences in cult called Elan School. (1 reply)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,143857,143857#msg-143857</link><description><![CDATA[ First off, here is a link to the comic: [<a href="https://elan.school/" rel="nofollow">elan.school</a>]<br /><br />It gives tremendous insight and first-hand experience into the initial shock of being forced into a cult.<br /><br />The Elan School was one of the many &quot;troubled teen&quot; cults that misled parents, school districts, and court systems into sending them children. In a &quot;Lord of the Flies&quot; style system, the children were encouraged to self-govern and it was the job of the older residents to persuade the newer residents into &quot;getting with the program&quot;. Types of &quot;persuasion&quot; included physical beatings in a ritual called &quot;The Ring&quot;, month-long stints in a isolation chamber called &quot;The Corner&quot;, and a sick ritual called a &quot;General Meeting&quot; where the entire population would publicly verbally humiliate one student for up to an hour.<br /><br />Here is the Wikipedia for more information: [<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lan_School" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org</a>]<br /><br />Elan was one of the many spin-offs of the Synanon Cult:<br />[<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synanon" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org</a>]]]></description>
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<title>&quot;Proud Boys&quot; (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,143845,143845#msg-143845</link><description><![CDATA[ FBI now classifies far-right Proud Boys as &#039;extremist group&#039;, documents say<br />Group is now designated ‘with ties to white nationalism’ according to report produced by Washington law enforcement<br /><br />Jason Wilson 19 Nov 2018 12.00 EST<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/19/proud-boys-fbi-classification-extremist-group-white-nationalism-report" rel="nofollow">www.theguardian.com</a>]<br /><br />NYPD Arrests Two More Proud Boys As Hate Group Grapples With &#039;Cuckery&#039;<br /><br />BY JAKE OFFENHARTZ IN NEWS ON NOV 30, 2018 12:37 PM<br /><br />[<a href="http://gothamist.com/2018/11/30/proud_cucks_power_vacuum.php" rel="nofollow">gothamist.com</a>]<br /><br />Following this very interesting article, one person commented:<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />J_Diggy (omitted for privacy - Corboy) • 2 days ago<br />I think a better question is; what does he (Gavin McInnes) gain from being hated by everyone? At this point it&#039;s beyond trolling and has shifted to worryingly obsessive.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
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<title>Social Media and Hate Material (2 replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,143186,143186#msg-143186</link><description><![CDATA[ <b>Twitter Is Sorry &#039;Kill All Jews&#039; Was a Trending Topic The hateful phrase was trending in New York after a synagogue was vandalized with graffiti ahead of an event featuring Broad City actress Ilana Glazer</b><br /><br />By Sarah Emerson Nov 2 2018, 11:28am<br /><br /><br />[<a href="https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/nepjnk/twitter-is-sorry-kill-all-jews-was-a-trending-topic" rel="nofollow">motherboard.vice.com</a>]<br /><br /><br /><b>Gab’s CEO Says Pittsburgh Suspect Doesn’t Represent The Site. But He Spent Years Recruiting Racists Like Him.</b><br /><br /><i>Andrew Torba has promoted white nationalists and looked the other way as Gab users posted racist death threats on his platform.</i><br /><br />By Jessica Schulberg<br /><br /><br />POLITICS 10/30/2018 10:57 pm ET Updated 3 days ago<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/andrew-torba-gab-robert-bowers_us_5bd8ed0be4b019a7ab582762" rel="nofollow">www.huffingtonpost.com</a>]<br /><br /><br />and<br /><br />POLITICS 11/02/2018 04:11 pm ET<br /><br /><b>Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting Suspect Offered To Help White Supremacist Dox A Blogger On Gab</b><br /><br /><i>Robert Bowers offered to help League of the South’s Brad Griffin find a more recent address for a blogger who closely tracked white supremacists.<br />headshot</i><br /><br />By Jessica Schulberg<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robert-bowers-brad-griffin-dox-blogger-gab-andrew-torba-pittsburgh-synagogue-shooter_us_5bdc9dd6e4b09d43e31ed738" rel="nofollow">www.huffingtonpost.com</a>]]]></description>
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<title>Public Justice Institute - homophobic hate group (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,137642,137642#msg-137642</link><description><![CDATA[ Do a background check on any advocacy group that offers to help you<br />in neighborhood politics. Find out what other causes an &#039;advocacy group&#039;<br />has endorsed. Who is its leader? What is its actual history?<br /><br /><br />Supervisors Reject Sunset District Medical Cannabis Dispensary<br /><br /><br />[<a href="http://hoodline.com/2017/10/supervisors-reject-sunset-district-medical-cannabis-dispensary" rel="nofollow">hoodline.com</a>]<br /><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />Quan, Huen and Apothecarium communications director Eliot Dobris previously told Hoodline in an interview<br /><br />[<a href="http://hoodline.com/2017/07/green-light-planning-commission-approves-outer-sunset-dispensary?utm_source=story&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;utm_campaign=stories" rel="nofollow">hoodline.com</a>]<br /><br />that more than 3,000 potential patients could patronize a medical cannabis facility in the neighborhood.<br /><br />Huen noted that many in the Chinese-American community who are monolingual could benefit from a MCD that could provide services in both English and Cantonese. “There’s a huge underserved community,” Dobris noted.<br /><br />Much of the opposition from neighbors came after Ark of Hope Preschool hired Pacific Justice Institute (PJI)<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.pacificjustice.org/" rel="nofollow">www.pacificjustice.org</a>]<br /><br />—a religious freedom group known for promoting anti-LGBT laws<br /><br />[<a href="http://hoodline.com/2017/03/anti-lgbt-dolores-park-urinal-opponents-now-taking-on-sf-pot-dispensaries?utm_source=story&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;utm_campaign=stories&amp;utm_source=story&amp;utm_medium=web" rel="nofollow">hoodline.com</a>]<br /><br />—to build opposition to opening an MCD in the community, Quan said.<br /><br />PJI is listed as a hate group on the Southern Poverty Law Center website.<br /><br />[<a href="https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/active-anti-lgbt-groups" rel="nofollow">www.splcenter.org</a>]<br /></div></blockquote>]]></description>
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<title>Search feature at this message board (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,134881,134881#msg-134881</link><description><![CDATA[ See the Search feature at upper left control bar. You can use this feature to locate information within the message board on a person, organization or group that has been discussed here.<br /><br />This message board is more than 14 years old and has more than 130,000 posts within its archived database.<br /><br />If you click on search note the &quot;Options&quot; at the bottom right. There is a drop down box that offers four selections including; &quot;Last 30 Days,&quot; &quot;Last 60 Days,&quot; &quot;Last 90 Days,&quot; &quot;Last Year.&quot; <b>If you want to see everything within the database select &quot;All Dates.&quot;</b>]]></description>
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<title>Upgraded Message Board is now Responsive (1 reply)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,128280,128280#msg-128280</link><description><![CDATA[ Upgrade to the message board to Responsive now makes it easy to use on any electronic device, smart phone, notebook, etc.]]></description>
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<title>New book by Rick Ross &quot;Cults Inside Out&quot; (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,127088,127088#msg-127088</link><description><![CDATA[ There is a new comprehensive book out about cults titled &quot;Cults Inside Out: How People Get In and Can Get Out.&quot;<br /><br />See [<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Cults-Inside-Out-How-People/dp/149731660X" rel="nofollow">www.amazon.com</a>]<br /><br />The book includes a history of cults, cult intervention work and how people can be &quot;deprogrammed&quot; out of the cult mind-set.<br /><br />There are chapters on Scientology, Falun Gong, LGATs (large group awareness training e.g. Landmark Education the Forum), abusive-controlling cultic relationships, family cults, &quot;cult brainwashing&quot; and how to define a destructive cult. The book includes more than 1,200 footnotes an 18-page bibliography and extensive index. The book also includes case vignettes demonstrating how people break free from cults through family interventions.]]></description>
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<title>This message board has passed 100,000 individual posts. (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,120336,120336#msg-120336</link><description><![CDATA[ The Cult Education Forum has now officially passed 100,00 posts. In fact the current number is 102,813.<br /><br />This is a tremendous resource for the public.<br /><br />Everyone concerned thank you.]]></description>
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<title>Sourcebook for Norwegian Death Metal &quot;Lords of Chaos&quot; (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,110332,110332#msg-110332</link><description><![CDATA[ quoted <i>Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground New Edition</i> [/i]<br /><br />[<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Lords-Chaos-Satanic-Underground-Edition/dp/0922915946" rel="nofollow">www.amazon.com</a>]<br /><br />Moynihan is editor of Tyr, a traditionalist journal and in a band, Blood Axis. Thus Erik L and Garm spoke to him with some candor.<br /><br />This material quoted below is useful for those of us peasants who keep society going, and the hot and cold water water available from the taps - thus sparing these aristocrats the need to do their own chopping of wood and hewing of water.<br /><br />from an interview of Erik Lancelot and Garm of the group <i>Ulver</i><br /><br /><i>DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELVES TO BE ALIGNED WITH BLACK METAL IN MUSIC AND IDEOLOGY?<br /><br />Erik Lancelot:<br /><br />Ulver was born out of the Black Metal scene, and on all of our releases so far except Kveldssanger, there can be no question about our alignment with Black Metal music. Our statements have also born evidence of related attitudes. However, bearing in mind the way Ulver has developed over the years both musically, lyrically, and philosophically, the label is becoming too limiting.<br /><br />But what is behind Black Metal &quot;ideology&quot;? The source of Black Metal is Venom: beer-drinking, base-minded rabble, icons of Heavy Metal idiocy. The essence of Black Metal is Heavy Metal culture, not Satanic philosophy. Just look at our audience.The average Black Metal record buyer is a stereotypical loser: a good-for-nothing who was teased as a child, got bad grades in school, lives on social welfare and seeks compensation for his inferiority complexes and lack of identity by feeling part of an exclusive gang of outcasts uniting against a society which has turned them down. And with Heavy Metal as a cultural and intellectual foundation, these dependents on social altruism proclaim themselves the &quot;elite&quot;! Hah! Could it be more pathetic?<br /><br />Garm:<br />In certain ways I still cherish Black Metal as it was definately the decisive factor for both my interests in music and the dark side. But since the early days I have matured quite a bit, and find it difficult to see myself asa part of this movement because alot of Black Metal people follow very fallacious and narrow concepts of life. I seek to be impeccable, and this can only be achieved through open-mindedness. This implies interests outside what is common in the above circles.<br /><br />A lot of abominable developments have happened in the scene since I was truly involved, and I am sad to say that most of the people who now dominate this milieu are a bunch of conformist alcoholic losers with no genuine feeling for the concept and searching for an easy way to feel initiated into something eccentric and special. Black Metal now makes ignorant and unconfident young people feel warm and cozy, and functions more as a crutch for individual weakness than anything else. Now isn&#039;t that cute!<br /><br />IS CHRISTIANITY IN NORWAY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE BATTLED AGAINST?<br /><br />Erik Lancelot:<br />Christianity is but one expression of herd mentality, and to battle against it is like battling against the nature of society. For as long as organized human societies exist, there will always be a division between the unconscious masses and conscious individuals. The Christian religion may wither and die, but only to be replaced by another philosophy glorifying the qualities of the herd. It lies not in the nature of the herd to live according to elitist ideals - their nature is to be cogwheels in the machinery of society, and the fact they follow a philosophy which glorifies this quality is aesthetically nauseating to the heretic, but still necessary for society to function.<br />The Satanist is an observer of society - to him, the world is like a stage, in relation to which he chooses sometimes to be a spectator, other times a participant, according to his will. He can watch from the outside and laugh, cry, sigh, or applaud depending on the effect the scenery has on his emotions; or he can throw himself into the game for the thrill; but his nature is always that of the watcher, the artist. He is not overly concerned with changing society, for his commitment to humanity is minimal.<br /><br />So no, I do not bother to battle against Christianity. In what ways does it affect me? It fills me with disgust. But I feel not urge to take the role of a Messiah, teaching the blind how they should live.<br /><br />Garm:<br />There is no logic in actively pursuing Christianity for a Satanist because this in no way benefits him. The &quot;Christlings&quot; legislate for the weak and worthless with humility, charity, subordination, guilt, and the taking of the world&#039;s burdens upon one&#039;s shoulders as their agenda. This is extremely easy for one of the Devil&#039;s party to take advantage of. The fact that they preach such degenrate morals prevents them, with a few unimportant exceptions, from being able to put out the emancipated spiritual fire in him. Instead they try by foolish means to talk him into changing his mind. Hah!<br /><br />The cold, calculating scrupulousness of the heretic mind has infinite possibilities in such a society, and can but revel in cruel, selfish ecstasy. In this picture the &quot;Christlings&quot; are masochists, whilst he is the sadist holding the whip. If he was to set out and convert everyone to his line of thought, his world would look quite different, and we would no longer be able to touch the stars undisturbed. In my eyes this is nothing to strive for.<br /><br />An appropriate example of how such futile aspirations may end is the case of Varg Vikernes: a neo-Viking martyr. A prophet of the ego who paradoxically enough chose to be the Jesus of his ideals, and now must suffer for it behind the walls of spleen. I have much respect for this man&#039;s conviction and courage, but not his sense of reality.<br /><br />(VV was convicted of slaying Euronymous, an important mentor of the Death Metal scene, and sentenced to 21 years in prison. He will be released at age 42 in the next couple of years. )<br />The picture of perhaps a hundred militant &quot;Satanists&quot; believing they can start a war against Christianity with Heavy Metal as their spiritual banner is pathetic. I chose to oppose Christianity by growing in my knowledge rather than waste my life on illusive dreams ofa righteous world returning to the laws of nature. In our age the human brain is too complex to work after such systems anyway, and I see it as our destiny to be separated from them. Mankind has taken temporary control over these powers by means of technical intelligence, but soon enough this is what will blow us all into oblivion - and the reckless force behind this evolution is the triumphant mark of Satan.<br /><br />All this said, I mind in no way attacks on Christianity, but I believe it is killing itself more rapidly than any church burner could ever dream of doing. After all, we live in the end of the second millennium and most people are enlightened to such a degree that they are capable of smelling rotten fish.<br /></i><br /><br />Additional reading material and bibliographies here<br /><br />[<a href="http://traditionalistblog.blogspot.com/search?q=scandinavian+music" rel="nofollow">traditionalistblog.blogspot.com</a>]<br /><br />Corboy note:<br /><br />It is a not unfamiliar philosophy - see herd society as something to manipulate.<br /><br />Compare with Carlos Castaneda&#039;s Warriors path, summarized by followers who survived.<br /><br /><i>Erasing Personal Integrity and other ‘Sorceric Techniques’<br />By David Worrell<br /><br />The important practices we will be discussing kind of go hand in hand, so I&#039;m going to name them up front, so you can intuitively begin to see how they fit together. The main practices for discussion will be: erasing personal integrity, avoiding responsibility, being available and unavailable at the precise turn of the ego, and worshiping self-importance.<br /><br />While I foolishly have enough confidence in my fellow humans to imagine that just upon hearing these important terms they will already know what they mean, I am going to briefly spell them out anyway, as to how they interrelate, and in the end it will be obvious how all these traits combine in the &quot;perfect practitioner&quot; to make up the &quot;mood of a warrior.&quot;<br /><br />Erasing Personal Integrity<br /><br />&quot;Morals&quot; are not the concern of a warrior. In other words, there is nothing which should ever be considered &quot;good&quot; or &quot;bad&quot; conduct. The only concern is with energy, with one&#039;s own energy, that is. Whatever you may do --- intentionally or otherwise --- to other people is in no way your concern, just as long as it doesn&#039;t get you down or hang you up in any way, energetically. Remember, a warrior is like a pirate, using people, taking everything they want. And so if anyone has a problem with anything you do or with you just taking anything you want, well, fuck &#039;em. :-)<br /><br />Of course, lies don&#039;t matter. You lie to get what you want, and to make sure that you get what you want, no matter what. Simple. Now, you might think that this could cause problems with people getting angry with you (if they find out what you&#039;re really doing, and hey, they may not because you are never to be open or up-front about your activities)--but people getting angry or hurt is not a problem, because if you have no personal integrity, no explanations are ever needed. Let &#039;em get mad. Let &#039;em be hurt. Big fucking deal. If your lies and deceptions and hidden actions cause other people to have problems--if others waste enormous amounts of time trying to figure out what you are deceptively hiding, or lose ground following trails you left to mislead while in the process of getting what you want--well, it&#039;s not your problem is it? It&#039;s really so darned simple: you get what you want, you take what you want, and if anyone has a problem with that, then fuck &#039;em. Above all, no one pins you down. If someone else gets &quot;pinned down&quot; in some way as a result of your actions, well that&#039;s their problem isn&#039;t it?<br /><br />Avoiding Responsibility<br /><br />It kind of goes without saying that if no one knows what you are really doing, then people are going to have one heck of a time trying to hold you responsible or accountable for anything. So you don&#039;t have to worry about it at all! Isn&#039;t that great? :-) Little by little you must create a fog around yourself, so that no matter what you do, no one can catch up with you to do anything about it or make you answerable for your actions. So of course you must leave everyone who knows you well, or tries to get close to you, and you never reveal what you really do, not to anyone. Sure this may hurt the hell out others and it may cause them all manner of problems and inconveniences, but no one can ever cramp your style again, and that&#039;s all that matters.<br /><br />Being available and unavailable at the precise turn of the ego. See, once again, the important thing to remember is that it&#039;s always, always about YOU. So you come and go as you please, and simply (wimply) vanish whenever it suits you. You get what you want, do whatever you want to do, and then you get out of reach. Yes, this means that most of the time when others may need or want something, you are simply not there, but that&#039;s no big deal of course, because ... it&#039;s always, always about YOU.<br /><br />Worshiping Self-importance<br /><br />It should now be very easy to see that everything in a warrior&#039;s life has to do with their own precious self, and nothing but their own precious self. Not only does a warrior not give a shit about friends, or relationships, or love, but a warrior doesn&#039;t waste time on crap like how people live in this petty little world--the schools, the political systems, the environment, etc. none of these things can be allowed to take one second of time from a warrior&#039;s primary concern: themselves. As a warrior, your own energy, your own journey is literally ALL that matters. It doesn&#039;t matter how much you cheat, or lie, or confuse, or even fuck other people up--it doesn&#039;t matter who or what gets ignored or discarded or trashed or abandoned or used, as long as you keep increasing your energy for your precious journey.<br /><br />As promised, the mood of a warrior should now be totally obvious, and can be very succinctly summarized. The mood of a warrior is: Selfishness. It is like the selfishness of a very young child, except that it is natural and beautiful for a very young child to be selfish, and as children grow they naturally develop the ability to empathize and harmonize with the perspectives of others around them. Thus, in an adult, the &quot;mood of a warrior,&quot; the total selfishness and concern for oneself to the exclusion of everything else is really a hideously regressive pattern, developmentally equivalent to the moral sense of ... oh...about a two-year old.<br /><br />-----<br />&quot;I cling to nothing..., therefore I have nothing to defend&quot;<br /><br />I.e., I build nothing in the world for anyone but myself, therefore I have nothing to defend (except myself of course).<br /><br />I am committed to no one, therefore I have nothing to defend (except myself of course).<br /><br />I have accomplished nothing worth fighting for, for anyone but myself, therefore I have nothing to defend (except myself of course).<br /><br />In fact, I don&#039;t give a shit about ANYTHING but myself, therefore I have nothing to defend (except myself of course).<br /><br />I cling to &quot;clinging to nothing&quot; and other &quot;enlightened slogans&quot;, yet still say I have nothing to defend, but what I really have to defend (besides myself of course) is ... my non-moral morality slogans and my self-image as a big bad warrior.<br />[<a href="http://www.sustainedaction.org/Explorations/erasing_personal_integrity.htm" rel="nofollow">www.sustainedaction.org</a>]<br /><br /><br /></i><br /><br />Others may act this out by seeing themselves as master poker players at the Great Game of life, only they never tell other persons this.<br /><br />Or one might see oneself as a chess grandmaster and all other humans as high value pieces descending down to pawns.<br /><br />Some may get into this chilly stance merely because they had to learn to do it to survive horrible life circumstances.<br /><br />But the sad puzzler is that some come from seemingly &#039;good&#039; social circumstances and go through life in this amoralmmanipulative way.<br /><br />The worst is when they con enough people into believing empathy and morality are weakness or can be discarded if one is sufficiently &#039;advanced&#039;.<br /><br />I can glumly thank - barely - the gentlefolk of Ulver for letting the rest of the world know what this operators think of us.<br /><br />Activate your BS detector people and dont bother to reason with them.]]></description>
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<title>New twist on hate and cult-ish groups (1 reply)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,107624,107624#msg-107624</link><description><![CDATA[ I have unfortunately encountered a neo-pagan group that really is starting to smack of a nasty hate group with some cult tendencies.<br />The group claims to be Asatru. Most of the Asatru people I have known are pretty live and let live and don&#039;t buy into the &quot;folkish&quot; ideas.<br />These &quot;folkish&quot;groups range from claims that each group of people should practice their own indigenous religion, I find that of itself to be racist.<br />The worse end of these go into blatant very hateful racism and anti-antisemitism. But they are not the skinhead types you would assume to be<br />doing this kind of thing. On the surface they appear more &quot;normal&quot; and their writings and such are not really on the crazy end of things.<br /><br />I don&#039;t know if they entire national network of groups is in as deep in the crazy end or if it is the local group. Someone in my family has gotten involved<br />with this group after finding them online. After they started exhibiting stranger and stranger behavior something finally clicked that this was where all the<br />crazy ideas were coming from. So I started doing some looking myself. What I found was that on the public surface it was presented in a very crafted way<br />that only tackles the racist views in a very &quot;spun&quot; way to try to make it look palatable and less overtly racist. They also have a &quot;members only&quot; section of their forum<br />that seems to be only for those vetted by the rest. That raised my suspicions.<br /><br />It reminded me of the Promise Keepers. They used the same tactic in the 1990&#039;s and i knew a few people who fell in with them. The initial ideas of that group were fairly<br />palatable, being &quot;godly men&quot; and being good husbands, parents and members of the community. As people got in deeper they were introduced to different levels of educational<br />materials that got crazier. They went into some really misogynistic and anti-gay and anti-women ideas. Luckily the people I knew that were sucked into that eventually got out but<br />I bring it up because the structure for sucking people in looked so familiar.<br /><br />The crazy in this Asatru group started as against Christians and how they had trashed old religions. Then it started to be really racist and how Mexicans were plotting to do something<br />horrible to the US with Democrats working with them as some big conspiracy. Then the antisemitism started. That circumcision is some jewish plot and an abusive crime perpetrated<br />upon men in the US. Another was that Judiaism should not allow anyone not &quot;racially hebrew&quot; to join their religion because people should all go stay with the religion of their ancestors.<br />Quite the load of crap eh? These are just some of the ones I remembered coming out of this family member. The context of these statements came that this group is the source of these<br />bizarre ideas.<br /><br />What is cultish is that there is lots of ranting about the world falling apart, wishing it would. They had some great plan how they would start a private group somewhere and live without<br />anyone else or in some sort of fort when society falls apart. Lots of living out stupid apocalyptic he-man fantasies. Also lots of distrust for society and government like that they are being<br />somehow abused or humiliated by so many laws in their lives how you can&#039;t &quot;pee off your own porch&quot; anymore and wanting to go live away from people. It is interesting because it seemed<br />to be a combination of the he-man libertarian fantasy thing combined with cult actions where they get people to leave society and their support structures to live just with the cult.<br /><br />This whole group is very authoritarian with one leader of it posting daily scripture type screeds on various topics. Not for debate but as instruction. This sooo all reminds me of some of the early things going on with the End Times group another family member ended up involved in up here in the 1980&#039;s. They got sucked into the whole thing and ended up down in Florida.<br /><br />I guess my point is that I am seeing lots and lots of cult like tendencies and the charismatic religion/brainwashing thing but it is wrapped in a new wrapper and I think people don&#039;t suspect it right away. It is wrapped on the surface in somewhat benign paganism. As people get in deeper into the inner circle it turns into something very very different and ugly.<br /><br />So how do I convince said family member they are being taken for a ride before it is too late?]]></description>
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<title>Warren Farrell, Misogyny, &quot;Positive&quot; incest and Ken Wilbur connection (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,95569,95569#msg-95569</link><description><![CDATA[ Warren Farrell, a former feminist and now &#039;father and chilren&#039;s rights&#039; activist, has some very disturbing views on rape and incest. It&#039;s been brought to my attention that any attempts to address this on Wikipedia has been censored by so-called &quot;Men&#039;s Rights&quot; groups (I support men&#039;s rights, but too many of these groups are extremely misogynistic and believe in restoring patriarchal authority, not in real gender equality between men and women or men&#039;s human rights). According to Farrell:<br /><br />&quot;If a man ignoring a woman&#039;s verbal &#039;no&#039; is committing date rape, then a woman who says `no&#039; with her verbal language but &#039;yes&#039; with her body language is committing date fraud. And a woman who continues to be sexual even after she says &#039;no&#039; is committing date lying...<br /><br />&quot;We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.&quot; -- Warren Farrell, in Myth of Male Power<br /><br /><br />Having friends who have been victims of date rape, I can tell you the &quot;we&quot; who called it &quot;exciting&quot; are definitely not the victims of sexual assault.<br /><br /><br />Interviewed in Penthouse magazine December 1977, in an article entitled &quot;Incest: The Last Taboo&quot; by Philip Nobile, Farrell had this to say about incest:<br /><br /><br />&quot;the incest is part of the family&#039;s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection...&quot;<br /><br /><br />The Ken Wilbur connection: Warren Farrell talks with Ken Wilber about power, oppression, and the urgent need for men to begin redefining their roles for today&#039;s world. [<a href="http://integrallife.com/node/68177" rel="nofollow">integrallife.com</a>]<br />The article sounds pretty harmless, but knowing the views of women by both men, it is very misleading.<br /><br /><br /><br />From an OFF OUR BACKS<br />article reporting on the<br />1983 Congress of a U.S.<br />national sexologists&#039; association<br />July 1983 issue<br />[BEGIN QUOTE] Charles Moser and Warren Farrell both emphasized that most incest problems are caused by &quot;treaters,&quot; i.e. therapists cause problems where none exist. Moser claimed that &quot;most incest cases have a loving nature&quot; and that a daughter (in father-daughter incest) gets &quot;special treatment&quot; from the father. If the incest is found out, Moser says, the child may feel more co-conspirator than victim. He stated that it is traumatic for a child to divulge the details of the incest to strangers or to her mother who is, after all, &quot;the other woman&quot;. He stated also that incest is a symptom of a pathogenic (diseased) family, and that &quot;pseudo incest families&quot; exist which have all the problems of an incest family without the actual incest.<br /><br />I was uncomfortable, to say the least, with Moser&#039;s analysis. Most incest problems are not caused by therapists; but a bad therapist can aggravate any problem. Undoubtedly the judicial system brutalizes rape victims --- I wish that the system could be changed so that a child need only talk with a therapist, and if a court appearance is required that the child be represented by the therapist. The child should not have to detail the incest to her mother or any other relative unless she is willing and ready to do so. And yes, a child can be made to feel like a co-conspirator by her father, who may exhort her to keep &quot;our little secret&quot;. Can a child ever be a willing &quot;co-conspirator&quot; with her parent?<br /><br />Warren Farrell asked that his data not be reported until his book on the &quot;Family Sex Debate&quot; comes out next year. Tough, Warren. [liznote: &quot;next year&quot; would be 1984]<br /><br />Farrell advocates the use of neutral words to talk about incest in order to leave room for both bad and good feelings around the situation. He calls incest &quot;family sex&quot; (sounds like a family outing at the swing club to me) and he prefers &quot;incest participant&quot; to &quot;incest victim&quot;. His term has the advantage of including both parties. Farrell interviewed &quot;incest participants&quot; and found that a significant percentage found the experience positive. These tended to be the adult males, who are &quot;involved with&quot; (rather than &quot;who commit&quot;) incest. I mean family sex. Language is confusing! Farrell makes incest sound innocent, bland, and harmless.<br /><br />Certainly, some incest victims (back to my language, where an unwitting victim is still a victim) have resolved their incest issues before entering therapy for other problems. And any good therapist allows a client to express all of her feelings, good and bad, about any situations. These factors do not make incest less of a trauma for the vast majority of cases.<br /><br />Farrell mentioned, but did not emphasize, that almost all of the girls involved in father-daughter incest (the most common type) found the experience very negative. His findings that many incest participants found the experience positive is skewed because it includes perpetrators as well as every kind of incest (including cousin-cousin, which is usually peer sex and not so comparable to other types of incest). [ENDQUOTE]<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Here is the Penthouse article in full:<br />[<a href="http://www.thelizlibrary.org/fathers/farrell5.htm" rel="nofollow">www.thelizlibrary.org</a>]<br /><br />INCEST: THE LAST TABOO<br /><br />by Philip Nobile<br />(as originally published in Penthouse, December 1977 issue)<br /><br />&#039;Previously suppressed material from<br />the original Kinsey interviews tells us that incest is<br />prevalent and often positive.&#039;<br /><br />Few things are as powerful as a deviation whose time has come. Homosexuality, wife swapping, open marriage, bisexuality, S &amp; M, and kiddie porn have already had their seasons. Just as we seemed to be running low on marketable taboos, the unspeakable predictably popped up. Incest is supposed to be the ultimate inhibition, universally recognized and unconsciously observed. Margaret Mead declares that widespread breaches of this primative taboo may be more disruptive of society than crime, suicide, and murder. So incest is very serious business. Even the discontentedly civilized shudder at its mention. Yet the game that every family can play, while repulsive and resistable, appears undeniably bewitching and oddly exciting in passing fantasy.<br /><br />Thematically, incest is rugged country. Although Sophocles, Shakespeare, Stendahl, Shelly, Balzac, Wagner, Mann, and Wharton have tried to express its horrible fascination, the popular literature is understandably thin. But no longer. This once unbankable subject is now the darling of the media. After centuries of restraint, incest is finally a hit.<br /><br />To wit: NBC News devoted its monthly Saturday night Weekend show last May to a ninety-minute documentary on the incest victims at a unique California child sex-abuse clinic.<br /><br />In Pete Hamill&#039;s boxing novel Flesh and Blood (Random House), young Brooklyn heavyweight Bobby Fallon sleeps with his mother Kate and fights for the title. According to the catologue copy, theirs is &quot;a love affair that readers will never forget.&quot;<br /><br />Carolyn Slaughter&#039;s Relations (Mason/Charter), an August Literary Guild alternate, tells of the intimacies shared by a brother and sister in the late nineteenth century. &quot;The beauty of their love is inevitably destroyed, but not the memory of the beauty. ...&quot;<br /><br />Twins (Putnam&#039;s) by Bari Wood and Jack Geasland, is a recently published novel based on the weird deaths of indentical-twin gynecologists in New York City in 1975. Their fictionalized fatal flaw was incest. Paperback rights have been sold to NAL for $902,000, and the movie version is about to be optioned.<br /><br />Rewedded Bliss: Love, Alimony, Incest, Ex-Spouses, and Other Domestic Blessings (Basic), by David Mayleas, cites cases of sex between stepparents and stepchildren and gives rules for avoiding this increasing &quot;polyincest&quot; in second marriages.<br /><br />For her untitled book on incest (contracted by Hawthorn), children&#039;s book author Louise Armstrong is tracking down women for first-person accounts of the ordeal.<br /><br />Redbook, Family Circle, People, the Washington Star, and the New York Times have recently broken the taboo in print with major features.<br /><br />Three films with incest plots were exhibited at Cannes last spring: Yves Boisset&#039;s The Yellow Taxi, with Fred Astaire and Charlotte Rampling; Carlos Saura&#039;s Elisa, Vida Mia, with Geraldine Chaplin and Fernando Rey; and benoit Jackquot&#039;s Les Enfants du Placard, with Brigette Fossey and Jean sorel. This cluster arrives six years after Louis Malle&#039;s sympathetic treatment of an incestous mother and son in Murmur of the Heart.<br /><br />Incest would be just another media trend, faddishly seduced and abandoned after repealed use, were it not for two forthcoming studies that promise to turn the prohibition on its head. Both introduce and uphold the notion of &quot;positive incest&quot;, an especially dissonant oxymoron that will madden therapists and confuse the masses more than the Kinsey reports did twenty-five years ago. Actually, Kinsey was the first sex researcher to uncover evidence that violation of the taboo does not necessarily shake heaven and earth. Unpublished data taken from his original sex histories (some 18,000 in number) imply that lying with a near relative rarely ends in tragedy. &quot;In our basic sample, the is, our random sample, only a tiny percentage of our incest cases had been reported to police or psychologists,&quot; states Kinsey collaborator Dr. Paul Gebhard, currently directory of the Institute for Sex Research in Bloomington, Ind. &quot;In fact, in the ones that were not reported, I&#039;m having a hard time recalling any traumatic effects at all. I certainly can&#039;t recall any form among the brother-sister participants, and I can&#039;t put my finger on any among the parent-child participants.&quot;<br /><br />The nation was hardly prepared for such talk in the fifties, but Gebhard is relasing Kinsey&#039;s startling incest material for incorporation in Warran Farrell&#039;s work-in-progress, The Last Taboo: The Three Faces of Incest. According to the cultural gatekeepers in New York publishing, America still wasn&#039;t ready to hear about positive incest in the mid seventies. Farrell&#039;s impressive credentials -- a Ph.D. in political science from N.Y.U., former board member of the National Organization for Women, and author of a book entitled Beyond Masculinity -- counted as nothing. His forty-one-page outline (including two sizzling case histories -- one with a New York writer who has intercourse regularly with his seventeen-year-old daughter, occasionally supplemented with threesomes with the daughter&#039;s girlfriend, and another with a Notre Dame graduate who made love to his mother for ten years) was returned by twenty-two houses last fall. MacGraw-Hill&#039;s editor-in-chief Fred Hills wanted to acquire the project, but company executives said no. The top editors at a major reprint concern were anxious to buy it until their lady boss invoked an &quot;over my dead body&quot; line. Bantam was the only firm that dared to bid, and Farrall signed for $60,000.<br /><br />&#039;Dr. James Ramey, a sociologist, states, &quot;If two relatives<br />make love in a caring situation, that&#039;s one thing. If it&#039;s rape, it&#039;s another.<br />You can&#039;t put the incest tag on that.&quot; &#039;<br /><br />Dr. James Ramey, a sociologist with a multi-disciplinary Ph.D. from Columbia, has censored his own positive incest manuscript for the past four years. Fearing for his reputation and massive misunderstanding, Ramey hesitated to lead with an apparently permission-giving book on man&#039;s oldest taboo. He refuses to discuss specifics but volunteers that only one incest family from his 1,500-plus interviews and questionnaires ever ran afoul of the law. &quot;And that was a setup,&quot; he adds. Feeling that others are bound to soften up the opposition before him, Ramey has opened negotiations for the book. But unless he can control the publication date, promotion, and jacket and advertising copy, he will not proceed. &quot;You have to be careful when you do a taboo-bucking book,&quot; he comments. &quot;There are a lot of slips between the cup and the lip.&quot;<br /><br />NBC&#039;s Weekend visit to the Santa Clara County Child Sexual Abuse Treatment Center in San Jose will not help Farrell and Ramey convince anybody that incest is less than a scourge. Host Lloyd Dobyns was so depressed by the content that he told the audience in his introduction that he wasn&#039;t sure he&#039;d watch himself it it weren&#039;t his own program. What followed was a montage of contrite fathers and exploited daughters pouring out their unrelievedly sad stories of incestuous grief. To interrupt the monotony of the documentary, producer Clare Crawford-Mason frequently cut to Hank Giaretto, director of the treatment center, for background and wisdom on the taboo. Giaretto was positively against incest and linked it to prostitution, drug abuse and sexual dysfunction in daughter victims. In his experience the normally repressed impulse overpowered law-abiding, middle-class fathers when they were down and out professionally and alienated from their wives. These men looked toward their blossoming daughters first for consolation and then for sex. A self-described humanist psychologist, Giaretto requires every father patient to apologize to his daughter and confess his secret to every family member still in the dark about his sins. Regardless of the cost and embarrassment, he believes that public prostration is preferable to discreet, private handling of incestuous entanglements.<br /><br />For example, in a curious composite portrait of an incestuous family drawn from Giaretto&#039;s records and published in Family Circle, the father goes to prison for six months, depletes his life savings, and loses his old job; his daughter has to repeat a year in school; and the other two children freak out and are forced into therapy. Branded as a child molester, the father has dim prospects of future employment. Although such a cure may be worse than the disease, Giaretto admits he would hand over to the law any participants in incest who sought his counsel anynymously. &quot;I have never come across a happy incestuous family, &quot; he said on Weekend. Of this there is little doubt.<br /><br />Although Farrell had personally familiarized Giaretto with his findings on positive incest before the Weekend taping, Giaretto failed to temper his apocalyptism on camera. For instance, Giaretto might have hinted that his strictly patient population was biased by definition and therefore could not possibly provide a true picture of the practice. And he could have explained that brother-sister incest, by far the most common kind, is known to be relatively harmless. Producer Crawford-Mason, who is also a Washington correspondent for People, loaded the documentary with so many recitals of the Auschwitz of incest that key, clarifying questions were never asked. Both Crawford-Mason and Dobyns deny sensationalizing a sensitive sexual issue before a wide-eyed- audience of millions, emphasizing that the show was about Giaretto&#039;s center, not incest. &quot;If the subject was incest,&quot; Dobyns conceded, &quot;we did it poorly.&quot;<br /><br />Crawford-Mason won&#039;t grant the bias inherent in Giaretto&#039;s sample. &quot;You&#039;re trying to attack my story,&quot; she says testily. &quot;How many documentaries have you produced? ... If we didn&#039;t make it clear that brother-sister incest was not as traumatizing it was a mistake. We discussed incest for the first time in public. And the very fact that you&#039;re writing this article proves that the show succeeded. You have a right to comment, but it&#039;s Monday-morning quarterbacking.&quot;<br /><br />Warren Farrell admires Giaretto&#039;s rehabilitative mission among legitimate victims, for his own investigation allows for considerable negativity, particularly in the father-daughter category. But he faults Weekend for its skewed perspective. &quot;It was like interviewing Cuban refugees about Cuba. Weekend recorded sexually abused children speaking about their sexual abuse, which is valuable, but the inference is that all incest is abuse. And that&#039;s not true.&quot;<br /><br />Farrell was reluctant to give a tour of the heart of the country. His research is incomplete, and the data collected from 200 in-depth interviews (he plans to have 250 for the book) await a computer run. Although he vowed not to speak out prior to publication (probably in 1979), he consented to a one-time debriefing at a Chinese restaurant near his Riverside Drive apartment overlooking the Hudson River in Manhattan. At thirty-four, he is separated from his wife, who is an IBM executive, and childless.<br /><br />The idea for the book struck him after reading a Times article about incest early last year. According to the piece, only a tiny fraction of the cases ever reaches the courts. In 1976 New York City police received merely one incest complaint and no arrests. Farrell wondered if perhaps some incidents weren&#039;t reported because the relationships went smoothly. Since nothing had been written about nonpatient-nonoffender participants, he decided the gap was too large to ignore.<br /><br />What is the incidence? Farrell&#039;s survey of 2,000 undergraduates in state as well as community colleges yielded a 4 to 5 percent figure. Kinsey&#039;s incidence was 3.9, but his collaborator, Dr. Wardell Pomeroy, thinks that the real figure is closer to 10 percent. Incest is not simply a deviation; it is a crime. People tend not to respond as honestly as they would about other modes of unconventional sex. Positive incest is even more hidden, since nothing is gained by disclusure. Thus most of Farrell&#039;s positive participants who replied to his ads in the Village Voice, the New York Review of Books, Psychology Today, and the New Republic were speaking out for the first time.<br /><br />Farrell cautions that his statistics are rough and confined just to his current sample of 200 -- including people from the unemployed, the working class, business executives, Ph.D.&#039;s and professional athletes. But his preliminary data suggest that the taboo needs severe overhauling. Breaking down the effects into positive (beneficial), negative (traumatic), and mixed (nontraumatic but not regarded as beneficial) categories -- the three faces of incest in his subtitle -- he says that the ovewhelming majority of cases fall into the positive column. Cousin-cousin (including uncle-niece and aunt-nephew) and brother-sister (including sibling homosexuality) relations, accounting for about half of the total incidence, are perceived as beneficial in 95 percent of the cases.<br /><br />Mother-son incest represents 10 percent of the incidence and is 70 percent positive, 20 percent mixed, and 10 percent negative for the son. For the mother it is mostly positive. Farrell points out the boys don&#039;t seem to suffer, not even from the negaive experience. &quot;Girls are much more influenced by the dictates of society and are more willing to take on sexual guilt.&quot;<br /><br />The father-daughter scene, ineluctably complicated by feelings of dominance and control, is not nearly so sanguine. Despite some advertisments, calling explicitly for positive female experiences, Farrell discovered that 85 percent of the daughters admitted to having negative attitudes toward their incest. Only 15 percent felt positive about the experience. On the other hand, statistics from the vantage of the fathers involved were almost the reverse -- 60 percent positive, 20 percent negative. &quot;Either men see these relationships differently,&quot; comments Farrell, &quot;or I am getting selective reporting from women.&quot;<br /><br />&#039;Do you talk about rape and courtship in the same breath?<br />Both are defined by intercourse, but the consent and spirit are different. So, too, with so-called coercive and noncoercive incest.&#039;<br /><br />In a typical traumatic case, an authoritarian father, unhappily married in a sexually repressed houshold and probably unemployed, drunkenly imposes himself on his young daughter. Genital petting may have started as early as age eight with first intercourse occurring around twelve. Since the father otherwise extends very little attention to his daughter, his sexual advances may be one of the few pleasant experiences she has with him. If she is unaware of society&#039;s taboo and if the mother does not intervene, she has no reason to suspect the enormity of the aberration. But when she grows up and learns of the taboo, she feels cheapened. If she comes from the lower class, she may turn to prostitution or drugs as compensation for self-worthlessness, although a direct cause-effect link is far from certain. The trauma is spread through all classes, Farrell observes, but incest is more likely to be negative in the lower class.<br /><br />Ramey would quarrel with Farrell&#039;s classification of the above case as incest. When coercion is involved, it&#039;s plain rape in his opinion. &quot;You can&#039;t put the incest tag on that,&quot; he argues. &quot;If two relatives make love in a caring situation, that&#039;s one thing. If it&#039;s rape, it&#039;s another.&quot; Dr. C.A. Tripp, a New York sex researecher who is unafraid of positive incest, also contests Farrell&#039;s methodology. &quot;Do you talk about rape and courtship in the same breath?&quot; he says. &quot;Both are defined by intercourse, but the consent and spririt are vastly different. So, too, with so-called coercive and noncoercive incest. The two shouldn&#039;t be lumped together as two aspects of the same phenomenon.&quot;<br /><br />It is not difficult to guess the benefits that accrue to the incestuous father, but what&#039;s in it for the 15 percent of daughters who inform Farrell that they liked it? The answer is a tender, nonfumbling, and loving introduction to sex that is wildly arounsing for all its wickedness and devoid of the usual teenage backseat trial and error. One daughter told Farrell that she preferred her father to &quot;the locker room jerkoffs&quot; who were interested only in scoring with her. She felt that they, rather that her father, were trying to take advantage. If the father lets his daughter go gently, avoiding jealous fits, their relationship may be fondly remembered. Some have been known to continue after marriage.<br /><br />&quot;When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200,&quot; says Farrell, &quot;the incest is part of the family&#039;s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. It is more likely that the father has good sex with his wife, and his wife is likely to know and approve -- and in one or two cases to join in.&quot;<br /><br />Incredible? Impossible? Insane? Well, just such a father-daughter case happened in New York City. A forty-two-year-old Jewish writer, contentedly married for twenty years, phoned Farrell after reading his ad and related the following story.<br /><br />Two years ago the writer happened to be at his beach house alone with his attractive fifteen-year-old daughter. He watched her strip out of her bikini -- nudity was not unusual in the family -- and fantasized about having sex with her while she showered. His wife&#039;s appendix operation had curtailed his sex for the previous five months. This day the women on the beach and a few beers had led him into special temptation. When the daughter emerged from the bathroom in a towel, he greeted her in the nude and erect. Although he had never consciously desired incest before, he told his daughter that he missed sex. Without further prompting she fellated him to orgasm. Then she cried until he assured her that they hadn&#039;t done anything wrong; he asked her not to tell her mother.<br /><br />Two weeks later the daughter walked around the house naked until the father approached her. That day he deflowered her to their mutual satisfaction. But the father was careful not to push things. He did not want to hurt his daughter, who seemed to have an active sex life with boys her own age. Several weeks later the daughter took the initiative again, this time with a girl friend as a third party. This threesome was the most exciting sex the father had ever had. Soon the father and daughter were having intercourse three times a week, repairing to motels with their secret passion. When they were six months into the incest, the wife unexpectedly returned to the apartment from shopping and caught the pair in the act. Despite some initial hysteria, the wife okayed everything. Apparently she was relieved that her husband&#039;s strong sexual demands could be met at home rather than with hookers, and she hinted that she&#039;d like to watch the two of them in bed. When the writer talked with Farrell, the incest had been ongoing for two years. The father is enjoying himself immensely, and he says that his daughter prefers his expertise to the groping of her boyfriends, who just want to be &quot;deepthroated.&quot; The writer insists that they&#039;re both much better friends now that before.<br /><br />Incredible. Impossible. Insane. But unless the writer is deluded, it is perhaps true and definitely positive. However, Farrell has become increasingly skeptical of reports from fathers, for they are seldom confirmed by daughters. For a woman&#039;s view of positive incest, see Edith Wharton&#039;s long supressed short-story fragment Beatrice Palmato, appended to R.W.B. Lewis&#039;s biography. It is the best read with one&#039;s feet in holy water, as Wharton leaves nothing to the pornographic imagination.<br /><br />Brother-sister relations are attended by fewer complications, since domination is not a factor. Farrell recounted the history of a twenty-five-year-old woman who had happily slept with her older brother for two years until he left home, four years ago, to get married. Today they talk on the phone every week and remain very close. The woman has no regrets and regards her incest as one of the best sexual experiences of her life.<br /><br />She began the long seduction of her brother at the age of thirteen or fourteen, prancing around their suburban New York home with her robe open. The tease progressed to leaving her bedroom door open while she was undressed. Apparently, the brother ignored these early invitations but later reciprocated with exhibitionism of his own. When she was eighteen, the girl started masturbating in bed, naked and with the door ajar. The brother responded by simltaneously masturbating in his own room. Soon they were masturbating together and performing oral sex. In a few weeks they engaged in sexual intercourse for the first time.<br /><br />The sister was turned on to making love with a mirror image of herself. Breaking the taboo only heightened her pleasure. They had sex twice a week for the duration of their liason, often dipping into fantasies and Polaroid pornography. The brother once watched her make love to another man; another time he looked on as she exercised in the nude with a girl friend. On both occasions he made love to her immediately afterward. Their familial arguments ceased during the affair, and they became the best of friends. The sister now feels the incest helped in overcoming her inhibitions, though she and her brother had an active sex life with other partners while they were involved. They have slept together only once since her brother married.<br /><br />Farrell realizes the risks that attend publication of this book. &quot;In a society where men are powerful and exploitive and insensitive to women&#039;s feelings, which is reinforced by female adaptiveness and a daughter&#039;s lack of power, data like these can be used as an excuse for the continuation and magnification of that exploitation. When I consider that, I almost don&#039;t want to write the book.&quot;<br /><br />Since neither victim nor benefactor needs Farrell&#039;s confirmation, why does he gamble with bringing on a sexual deluge? &quot;First, because millions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and genitally caressing their children, when that is really part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn&#039;t. My book should at least begin the exploration.<br /><br />&quot;Second, I&#039;m finding that thousands of people in therapy for incest are being told, in essence, that their lives have been ruined by incest. In fact, their lives have not generally been affected as much by the incest as by the overall atmosphere. My book should help therapists put incest in perspective.&quot;<br /><br />Farrell also hopes to change public attitudes so that participants in incest will no longer be automatically perceived as vitims. &quot;The average incest participant can&#039;t evaluate his or her experience for what it was. As soon as society gets into the picture, they have to tell themselves it was bad. It&#039;s a self-fulfilling prophecy.&quot;<br /><br />If pushed to the wall, would Farrell urge incest on families? &quot;Incest is like a magnifying glass,&quot; he summarizes. &quot;In some circumnstances it magnifies the beauty of a relationship, and in others it magnifies the trauma. I&#039;m not recommending incest between parent and child, and especially not between father and daughter. The great majority of fathers can grasp the dynamics of positive incest &#039;intellectually&#039;. But in a society that encourages looking at women in almost purely sexual terms, I don&#039;t believe they can translate this understanding into practice.&quot;<br /><br />The joys of incest will be lost on the therapeutic community. A pocket of Kinseyans, however, won&#039;t dispute the possibility a priori, as most other psychotherapists, in particular the Oedipally oriented, must. &quot;Incest was grist for our mill,&quot; comments Dr. Pomeroy, now a marriage therapist in San Francisco. &quot;We were interested in what people did and couldn&#039;t have given a damn about what was right or wrong or proper or improper.&quot; Yet it took Pomeroy a quarter of a century to come out of the research closet. His article in last November&#039;s Penthouse Forum -- Incest: A New Look -- landed like an unopened parachute in professional sex circles, but it was the first in this new antitaboo wave.<br /><br />Although Pomeroy reports many beautiful romances between father and daughter, he discriminates between the consenting adult variety and pedophilia. &quot;The trouble with incest isn&#039;t incest at all,&quot; he remarks; &quot;it&#039;s pedophilia. There are real problems with a thirty-five-year-old father having sex with his thirteen- or foureen-year-old daughter because of his one-up position. But a twenty-five-year-old woman sleeping with her fifty-year-old father -- what the hell difference does it make? It&#039;s not a society&#039;s concern.&quot; (Dr. Ramey came across a son who crawled into his mother&#039;s bed for the first time when he was past fifty.)<br /><br />&#039; &quot;Maybe this [ incest ] needs repressing, and maybe it doesn&#039;t,&quot;<br />says author Warren Farrell.<br />&quot;My book should at least begin the exploration.&quot; &#039;<br /><br />Despite the drawbacks of pedophilic incest, Pomeroy has seen it flourish under ideal conditions. &quot;Here&#039;s a husband who&#039;s fairly mature and thinks of incest only as a stepping-stone for his daughter in developing her sex life. So her urges her to have social-sexual contacts outside the home. I&#039;ve seen cases like this but they are the great exception. The odds are against it, because the father can seldom be objective. I&#039;m treating a man now who&#039;s had intercourse with his fourteen-year-old daughter. When he ... tried to control her outside sex, she blew the whistle.&quot;<br /><br />Pomeroy speculates that incest occurs most frequently at the two extremes of society, since rich and poor tend to be less affected by sexual taboos. He eschews elaborate interpretations of the impulse that drives mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers into bed with each other. &quot;Sex is fun,&quot; he explains. &quot;That&#039;s the overriding factor. You can&#039;t overlook that sex is pleasurable enough to overrule this terrific taboo in some cases.&quot;<br /><br />This reporter retorted that he, too, endorsed the fun of sex but wouldn&#039;t dream of incest with any of his three daughters. &quot;Perhaps you wouldn&#039;t because you&#039;ve been fathering too much -- wiping their noses, changing their diapers, and so forth,&quot; Pomery replied. &quot;The fathering principle kills the sex impulse. It certainly does for me. I wouldn&#039;t consider sleeping with my daughter, although I&#039;ve given it much thought and even talked to her about it. And she said to me, &#039;You&#039;re a great father, but you don&#039;t turn me on either.&#039;&quot;<br /><br />According to Dr. Tripp, the lifting of the taboo would not automatically invite an avalanche of incestuous activity. Far from being a potential hotbed of sexual tension, the nuclear family just about kills lasciviousness around the hearth -- and for good reason. &quot;It&#039;s not the fathering and the intimacy,&quot; states Tripp, &quot;but the closeness and the lack of mystique that block out sexual interest between any two people, i.e., father and daughter, friend and friend, and comfortable &#039;old shoe&#039; husband and wife. The most fascinating thing in sexual motivation is the appeal of a slightly hidden or removed object. What seems to permit incest to emerge at all is the insertion of some kind of alienation into the scene, e.g., the father is distant, often away from home, or the home itself is split, etc.&quot;<br /><br />Willard Gaylin, a psychiatrist at Columbia Medical School as well as president of the Institute for Biology, Ethics, and the Life Sciences, is appalled by the positive incest hypothesis. For him it is an intellectual and moral contradiction. He wouldn&#039;t believe it if it lay down on his couch. &quot;I&#039;d have to say that what&#039;s wrong with incest is the same as what&#039;s wrong with homosexuality. It&#039;s not necessarily wrong for the persons to do it if it gives them pleasure. But it implies that some wrong has already occurred -- the there was not a normal development out of the incestual stage into finding men other than the father attractive. Incest usually represents a very distorted structure and is never a positive good. ... After all, a child will have plenty of intercourse in life, but he or she is going to have only one crack at a caring parent.&quot;<br /><br />Despite Kinsey&#039;s statistics, Gaylin remains unconvinced of nontraumatic incest. &quot;We deal in probabilities, not possibilities, in medicine. If incest became a fun-loving way of initiating your kids into sex, it would do more harm than good. I tend to trust the wisdom of the Old and New Testaments and every other religious group.&quot;<br /><br />Dr. Abraham Kardiner, one of psychiatry&#039;s grand old men who did early studies on the taboo, worries about this article. &quot;You will throw a monkey wrench into society by introducing the idea that incest is beautiful,&quot; he says. &quot;The family is in enough trouble already from homosexuality.&quot;<br /><br />Television producer Claire Crawford-Mason is equally dubious. &quot;Saying that incest isn&#039;t harmful is a male chauvinist cop-out. Father-daughter incest is the ultimate victimization. Mother-son incest must be devastating to the son... The medical profession ignores two- and three-year-olds with gonorrhea of the throat; the doctors insist they catch it from bed sheets.&quot;<br /><br />Warren Farrell prophesies that incest will be a major social issue in the eighties. If so, the debate will be bloody and presumably unproductive. Those who accept the original sin of incest, the great Judeo-Christian majority, will not be dissuaded by anyone&#039;s case studies. The last taboo could become the last straw as the Save Our Children movement heads closer to home.<br /><br /><br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br /><br />According to the original publication,<br />the above article is copyright 1977 Penthouse International Ltd.,<br />as a portion of the December 1977 issue of Penthouse.<br />It is reproduced here under the Fair Use Doctrine<br />for the limited nonprofit purpose of establishing the existence<br />of the article in question, the veracity of citations referencing same,<br />and the context and accuracy of quotations taken<br />from the article in the course of educational and political discussion.]]></description>
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<title>Gay Hate Groups That Attack Everyone (2 replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,86152,86152#msg-86152</link><description><![CDATA[ This description of the gays attacking the Repent America street preachers in Philadelphia by blowing whistles is not the first time this happens.<br /><br />[<a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/inpublic.asp" rel="nofollow">www.snopes.com</a>]<br /><br />My name is Denise Matteau. I don&#039;t care anymore what you bastards reading this want to do to me. I did not see that story in 2004 because I was burying my father and trying to protect my daughter, who was attacked at my sister&#039;s house by a crowd of screaming cultists. I was threatened and spent my time helping the father of another victim of the same cult, a murdered victim, try to get the old case re-opened.<br /><br />But ten years and several other murder-victims earlier TAKE BACK THE NIGHT CULT that is FUNDED AND RUN by the Democratic filth of this country did the same kind of mob attack to me outside my art studio in Pittsfield Massachusetts.<br /><br />They attacked me with whistles in my ears. I was standing outside my art studio talking with a couple of other women, asking them why they were marching. They were forced to march. The Women&#039;s Center would not allow crime victims to have benefits if they did not participate. Three of the marshalls came up and told the women to get back in the parade. They ordered them not to talk with me and while one was ordering them, two deafened me with the whistles. I am still hearing-impaired.<br /><br />They were marching up and down in front of businesses blowing bullhorns and they had children that they trained to lay down and role-play as victims while the obviously BUTCH marshalls.<br /><br />They had a speech about tearing down the patriarchy, every patriarchal aspect of society had to be torn apart. Starting with families.<br /><br />This was 1994. Just like in the article in that Snopes link, they had police protection. One sergeant spoke up about it and about his anger and shortly after that, he died of a sudden blood disorder. In 2000 another law enforcement investigator who challenged Bobbi Gagne of the same women&#039;s center group (and also a major activist in the Neil Brick MK-Ultra cult, incidentally) died and because I knew that investigator pretty well, the state police thought I could shed some light on some tattoos because they thought he also had a sudden and suspicious blood disorder but I did not anything about his tattoos.<br /><br />They were placing lifelike silhouettes of children in strategic places with bold print of &quot;father rapes little girl&quot; and similar beginning-reader level triggers in children&#039;s libraries and then having substitute teachers report domestic incest if the children talked aobut that art work in class. The subs were given training to profile children&#039;s comments without being told the same children would have seen the artwork during those same weeks. The subs were given questions to ask that could elicit the remarks.<br /><br />I was targetted because I refused to honor the leftwing gay artists&#039; boycott of the Stockbridge Library art gallery. I has a solo show there of my paintings and pastels. I also was known to be attending a Christian church.<br /><br />My daughter was attacked by an organized mob at Taconic High School the same year. It was insitgated by the school counselor because my daughter was accused of being gay because she was not promiscuous. (In fact, her boyfriend did not go to the highschool and they did not know she dated)<br /><br />She was ordered by the counselr to go to the Unitarian Church after she was attacked in the hallway of Taconic High School. I did not know that the Unitarian Church was a cult because I was raised Catholic and I thought they were just protestant.<br /><br />My daughter was scared because of the teachers joining the students in the attack at Taconic High School. I told her to take her boyfriend with her, we all thought it was just going to be another lecture on not hating gay people.<br /><br />Instead it was the lesbian Barbara Haugman the Unitarian Pastor and a group of adults, 40 yrs old, about a dozen of them, mob attackede my daughter and her friend. Both of them came home shaken and pale. This was a week or so after the other attack, some months before I was attacked. The group incircled andf screamed at them until they were broken down.<br /><br />Not long after that my daughtter became pregnant. I was not told. She had actually wanted to be a midwife and she studied to be a doullah, she was a loving girl, and she was a ski instructor from age 14, she was a brilliant and beautiful young woman.<br /><br /><br />The counselors, who all work through the same horrific gay cult at the Women&#039;s Center, told my beautiful daughter that she would have a terrible life if she brought this child into the world and if she would agree with them to abort it, she would have her college completely paid for, and she would not be a burden to me. She told me later they kept telling her she was a burden to me. They told her she would be hurting me if she had the child. The father was her boyfriend and he and she both wanted it, but they both had been attacked and now these same people were attacking them again and they were prevented from contacting anyone. The pregnancy was not early. My daughter had started to plan to have the child but was being told not to tell me, and later she told me that they deliberately stalled her when they began yelling at her to have the abortion, she said ok but they stalled it so that it would be worse for her. The young father told me the same thing.<br /><br />I only found this out long after the abortion happened. My daughter was told to hide in her room and not speak of any symptoms. The Pittsfield Masssachusetts Women&#039;s Center was using abortion as a terrorist attack on girls, insisting that they go through a private horror. The Unitarian Church uses abortion to train for human sacrifice. Gays are training people for full human sacrifice. They have been systematically attacking our children and we have been silent because no one would believe us. We did not believe what we were seeing.<br /><br />Take Back The Night cult is in all the churchs. In the Catholic Church it is called &quot;Call To Action&quot;, it is fully in charge of the Evangelical Lutheran and Gay Episcopalian churches.<br /><br />They have been protected every step of the way by the Democratic Party. NatLFEd has also been protected every step of the way and every former cadre knows that it fully enabled the set-up of the vicious lesbian and gay militants while NatLFed ran the bribes and disabled the blue-collar classes with fake Hispanic crap like Gerry Doeden and the other white trust-fund babies taking Hispanic names and they all ran the death-cult art into the town.<br /><br />That was why my studio was targeteed. I was not co-operating. I was just &quot;doing art&quot; and I was working on a print-video project at Channel Five with other non-political traditional artists in the print trade and illustration trade, producing a program that would have shown regular, skilled artists.<br /><br />Now we see the full death-cult coming out of the Bible belt as &quot;Repent America&quot; but &quot;Repent America&quot; is only a small reaction to what has been going on: the actual full-scale emasculation of Black Americans by the Gay movment and the attacks on our children and our families and the destruction of what was once a thriving civilization.<br /><br />That Snopes article describing the whistles is describing exactly what they did to me, all alone, just watching their horrible nazi gay march.<br /><br />As a Catholic I have to accept suffering, and if it were not for the training my faith has given me in accepting suffering I would not be able to witness to the truth of what is happening around us.<br /><br />We are fighting the death cult here in Texas, but we are not using RepentAmerica&#039;s tactics. Repent America has allowed the death cult of the gay militants to poison its own thoughts.]]></description>
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<title>Caution! You CANNOT Resist Implantation of Cult Ideology (no replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,85614,85614#msg-85614</link><description><![CDATA[ I am going to describe a common technique that I think is also covered in a lot of the classic cult-mind-control literature. Steve Hassan covered some of this in his work on the NatLFed political cult but it is also common in religious and other types of cult.<br /><br />Basically, the mind has several layers of attention to the outside world. Some people are strongly inclined to pay attention closely to things, such as to deep reading of a difficult book, while others are strongly inclined to allow material to play around the edges of their attention while they do physical activities. Someone who enjoys listening to books-on-tape while jogging might be an example of this kind of attention. Probably most people fall into the second style than into the first style of paying attention to a subject.<br /><br />Everyone knows about that common hypnotic state that goes with driving a familiar route. You suddenly discover you have arrived even though you are not aware of the past ten minutes or so of driving that same set of streets.<br /><br />All I am doing now is calling attention to the fact that there is nothing special about how our minds work, our minds all are very similar and have very similar sets of attention skills that go with our tasks. Some of us work to develop attention skill but most of us go with what we have.<br /><br />What a cult can do, and what those who are dependent on video media seem to do, is set you up with enough repetitious and slightly confusing or vague material so that while you may start out with the fully-engaged attention similar to the person reading a deep book, you are soon distracted. Small questions start to crop up in your mind but the material flows in such a way that you don&#039;t have time to fully ask the question. You attention starts getting scattered. Of course, something has to motivate you to stay with the video or the book or the lecturer at that moment.<br /><br />If you are physically at a meeting, then there is a strong motivation to stay through the whole thing. If you are listening to a tape or watching a video, then there may be something that is included as a means of keeping you tuned in. An attractive speaker or a calm tone of voice may keep your attention so you are waiting for some reward of something that makes sense while you listen to a droning and rambling speech. Or there may have been a promise made at the beginning that keeps you motivated even while bored.<br /><br />Professional cultists know just about where the average person will start to drift. Depending on their goal, they will insert little mini-remarks or suggestions at exactly those points, and they will repeat them in different ways through the course of speeches. Because you mostly hear those <i>after</i> your mind has started to shut off, they get in subliminally. They may be references to certain races or groups but they also may be references to certain types of characters.<br /><br />These references are not developed in the material given to most newbies to a cult. But as the member advances, some of the references will show up in more open detail and the member may be surprised that they suddenly agree with this formerly rejected idea of hating that category of people. They don&#039;t remember making a decision to hate, and so the material presented by the cult at the advanced stage might appear to be what is convincing or justifying the hate. Hate is a powerful emotion. If you feel hate and you do not know where it came from, you &quot;own&quot; it as yours, and you tend to agree with others who share that hate.<br /><br />I hope that my description shows that this method will in fact affect even people who think they are aware of what is going on when they choose to examine cult materials, even from a critical point of view.<br /><br />It is not a good idea to listen to an entire video or set of videos from some of these groups because you are being affected by them just as surely as you will be affected by eating too much fat no matter how much you thnk healthy veggies will balance the fat.<br /><br />If you feel compelled to watch cult videos while trying to &quot;fight&quot; a cult, PLEASE make sure you watch them in very short bursts and have some balancing material, some opposing material, handy to read or look at BETWEEN sessions of examining the cult material.]]></description>
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<title>AH1N1 flu is spreading. (4 replies)</title><link>https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?11,78164,78164#msg-78164</link><description><![CDATA[ I have learned some words from Mr. Li and I know what he said to the people following him, here are some word from him:<br />&quot;Since we&#039;re guiding you down the true path, during Triple-World-Law cultivation we&#039;re always purifying, purifying, and purifying your body for you, all the way until it&#039;s completely transformed into high-energy matter. But you&#039;re still bringing all that black stuff onto your body – how are you going to cultivate? That&#039;s karma! You won&#039;t be able to cultivate one bit.&quot;<br />There&#039;s no way you&#039;d succeed at true cultivation without my Law Bodies&#039; protection – the moment you stepped outside, maybe your life would be at risk.&quot;<br />&quot;My Law bodies are aware of everything. Whatever you think about, they&#039;re aware of it, and they can do anything.&quot; &quot;While I just sit here I can see things in Beijing, things in the United States, or things on the other side of the world.&quot;<br />What will Mr. Li do to handle the problems of the spreading of AH1N1flu? If he is really benevolent to the whole mankind as he said, why doesn’t he try to stop the spread of the flu?]]></description>
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