Quote: “The blogger calls Tulsi out as an anti-Muslim bigot because of her connection with Modi among other things. Fair enough. Perhaps this is true. She certainly wore the mantle of bigotry with her, previous, but now disavowed anti-LGBT stance which was directly correlated to her cult affiliation. So while I don't respect this blogger as a reliable source, he brings up a good point that n
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QuoteMr Colin, having seen many of these people begin their careers and gain success noted that many spiritual leaders by their sucess in lose access to thier private lives, their deepest selves. . They become their roles, get lost in them. And he observed that most gurus die 'in harness'. They can never get free from the role, the public persona. Its like a mask that gets stuck to
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This is east texas... we can have freezing weather one day and pretty warm the next... it rarely snows here. We get iced over more than it snows! QuoteAegonis3Hi Justin07, I'm not so sure that the enemy is changing our accents, but that's an interesting hypothesis. ;) I was following up on the news about Keyes and THOUGHT I read that the funeral was in Washington. In the
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According to the media, the CoW/YMBBA group were the only people to attend the service in Deer Park, Washington. Israel Keyes' mother and sisters, their husbands, and Jake Gardner. Other siblings and relations (who are not associated with Church of Wells) didn't attend.
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It's complicated. Best quick and easy version is extensive news reports. Jake Gardner was in Washington state to "officiate" some kind of end-of-life service for Israel Keyes. He presented himself as "family pastor" in the media. Church of Wells/YMBBA have been working hard to leverage the media attention surrounding this suspected serial murderer, putting Jake in fron
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Jake was in washington for israel keyes funeral, along with the sisters. He committed suicide. He did kill those people because he confessed. It was in the news.
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Hi Justin07, I'm not so sure that the enemy is changing our accents, but that's an interesting hypothesis. ;) I was following up on the news about Keyes and THOUGHT I read that the funeral was in Washington. In the videos on their site, it's snowing... Does it snow in Wells?
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Hi, how do you know that Jake is in Washington? The only serial killer I know of was a guy-last names Keyes- that got picked up in August down in Lufkin, which is next to Wells. His sisters are in the cult and he was down at a wedding I believe. Anyway, apparently he was wanted for a murder in Alaska and there was also speculation that he had killed a couple somewhere out east (possibly Washingto
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yes I know the Keyes. I worked with Heidi and her girls before they joined the church of Wells. I can give you some info if you need
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I know the Keyes very well. I worked with Heidi and her girls in Harlan, Indiana before they moverd to Texas
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QuotecorboyAgain, this may be just coincidence. When I first posted the material on calorie restriction research done by Ancel Keyes and the descriptions of how people think and behave on calorie restricted diets, no discussion followed. An interloper showed up and skewed the discussion away from the topic. An analysis of the diet actually followed by devotees of UM is the only way to fi
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Again, this may be just coincidence. When I first posted the material on calorie restriction research done by Ancel Keyes and the descriptions of how people think and behave on calorie restricted diets, no discussion followed. An interloper showed up and skewed the discussion away from the topic. An analysis of the diet actually followed by devotees of UM is the only way to find out whet
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QuotecorboyHere are links to a study we discussed earlier on this thread on how humans behave when food is restricted. The study was done by Ancel Keyes in the 1940s and to this day is referenced in the literature on eating disorders. Note: When calorie intake is very severely restricted, people feel ice cold even when the weather is in in the 30 degrees C and will dress in heavy clothin
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Right after the material on Ancel Keyes study was posted, the trend of the discussion was disrupted and derailed for a time by an interloper. Later, I resumed posting additional info about the way persons with anorexia nervosa are known to behave and asked whether this tallied in any way with observed behaviors in UM At the very bottom of page 41, mid June Eric Dobbs noted this: Quot
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Here are links to a study we discussed earlier on this thread on how humans behave when food is restricted. The study was done by Ancel Keyes in the 1940s and to this day is referenced in the literature on eating disorders. Note: When calorie intake is very severely restricted, people feel ice cold even when the weather is in in the 30 degrees C and will dress in heavy clothing even on h
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I am doing some research on this cult, members of this cult, Autumnrose Keyes, Hosanna Keyes and Heidi Keyes, are members as far as I can tell, and their family member Israel Keyes is accused of murder in Alaska. He was arrested in Lufkin after attending the wedding of his sisters Autumnrose & Hosanna on March 11, 2012. He has been charged with murder in the Samantha Koenig case in alaska and
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QuoteGibbsQuotecorboyQuote• It is for this reason that Serge has taught – ‘comparison is a destroyer of what is already amazing and perfect for you in your life’ – SB. In comparison we want/need what another has we think is better or what would be best for us if we had it. In this, we further bury our own beauty and our own Heaven-ness in favour of what we think we need as opposed to what we alre
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QuotecorboyPending question: Does behavior of UM dieters match anything reported in the Ancel Keyes study? Do the UM dieters wear extra clothing and behave as though they have low body temp? Yes, I have found they do wear heaps more clothing. I found myself thinly dressed, when many others had thick jackets on and/or blankets around them. Keeping warm is an important thing. For example
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Pending question: Does behavior of UM dieters match anything reported in the Ancel Keyes study? Do the UM dieters wear extra clothing and behave as though they have low body temp?
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Do UM Dieters Feel Chilled? Do UM Dieters Wear a Lot of Clothing, compared with non UM Members? Ancel Keyes Subjects were restricted to 1,600 calories for over 5 months--just short of six months. QuoteThe Minnesota Starvation Experiment, also known as the Minnesota Semi-Starvation Experiment, the Minnesota Starvation-Recovery Experiment and the Starvation Study, was a clinical study per
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Under Eating and Food Behaviors. For educational purposes, here are links to to experiment by Ancel Keyes done during World War II. An article about anorexia notes that people who have been restricting food may feel full and bloated when eating -- giving a misleading perception that they can survive on less food! Though referred to as a the Minnesota Starvation Experiment, subjects
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If anyone is curious about getting a 'feel' for Ken Keyes Jr.s material, here are some selections. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There was discussion some time back about various authors who might have been influential for BK. One named was Ken Keyes Jr. Those interested can get a few samples of Keyes material here.
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Earlier on this thread discussion took place about the chance that BK might have read Ken Keyes books while in the halfway house. Be that as it may, on the Wikipedia page for Ken Keyes, there is this . Keyes died in 1995 Quote) Ken Keyes, Jr. (January 19, 1921, Atlanta, Georgia – December 20, 1995, Coos Bay, Oregon) was a personal growth author and lecturer, and the creator of
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Below is a cross-post from a blog that appears to have deleted its text, but kept the comments, which are mainly BK apologetics. Its amazing how some of those who seem to be into Nondualism willfully blind themselves to the MOUNTAIN of hard facts and evidence that is right in front of their eyes about Byron Katies covert persuasion, manipulation and LGAT seminar tactics. Its as if they are pokin
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this is a long one/printed with permission of the author Byron Katie & Janaki This story reads like a journal and to get the full gist of it, you may want to read the chapters in sequence. I am fully open to feedback and comments, which you can send to me at – A Work in Progress Introduction – chapter 01 I worked for Byron Katie for about 12 years. The larger part of those
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QuoteN. OwisQuoteTarSpielQuoteThe Anticult(...) in Barstow, the basement was filled with boxes of books of this kind of material. Now of course, the trained eye can see the direct copying, and slight modifcation of various techniques, as has been shown many times in this thread So which is it? She had a whole basement full of Ken Keyes' books from time immemorial, or she was given one o
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QuoteTarSpielQuoteThe Anticult(...) in Barstow, the basement was filled with boxes of books of this kind of material. Now of course, the trained eye can see the direct copying, and slight modifcation of various techniques, as has been shown many times in this thread So which is it? She had a whole basement full of Ken Keyes' books from time immemorial, or she was given one of his books
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QuoteTarSpielQuoteThe AnticultThere appears to be some new information posted on the Janaki blog? Its written in red, in the middle of the page, linked below. Its about how one of the houses in Barstow, the basement was filled with boxes of books of this kind of material. Now of course, the trained eye can see the direct copying, and slight modifcation of various techniques, as has been shown
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QuoteThe AnticultThere appears to be some new information posted on the Janaki blog? Its written in red, in the middle of the page, linked below. Its about how one of the houses in Barstow, the basement was filled with boxes of books of this kind of material. Now of course, the trained eye can see the direct copying, and slight modifcation of various techniques, as has been shown many times in
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There appears to be some new information posted on the Janaki blog? Its written in red, in the middle of the page, linked below. Its about how one of the houses in Barstow, the basement was filled with boxes of books of this kind of material. Now of course, the trained eye can see the direct copying, and slight modifcation of various techniques, as has been shown many times in this thread
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