From the ChoiceCenter website: Since 1998, ChoiceCenter has offered adult and teen personal development and leadership courses using experiential learning to elevate Emotional Intelligence (EQ) – the single biggest factor in determining success in life. Ask yourself, if you could have the relationships, career, family, body, and lifestyle of your dreams, what would that experience look and
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I was one of those people who landmark eventually deemed 'uncoachable' and was subject to intensive attempts to coach me, which descended into outright and blatant manipulation, emotional blackmail and severe bullying and psychological torture. The first experience I had with 'coaching' was in the so-called self expression and leadership program where I was assigned a group
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If anyone missed it, a must read is the lawsuit from Colleen Conaway's family against James Ray and his employees who were involved in her death. The pdf document is here. According to that statement, Colleen was ridiculed by Ray and/or his minions, for a business idea she had. She also refused to dress as a homeless person, and was flamed, and attacked for that as well. The stateme
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Its a classic LGAT technique going back decades, to strip people of ID and money, and try survive in the city. Notice its your ID...your IDENTITY...which is the most powerful aspect of the self-concept, which every cult tries to take control of. There is one technique, where your goal is to try to talk yourself into getting a free hotel room, free meals, and other free stuff, by using your per
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Unfortunately, the comment above by David Baxter is quite disingenuous. What he posted is clearly a professional endorsement and a promotion of the Byron Katie International BKI business. It is even exclusively featured in the REVIEWS section of his website. The Work of Byron Katie David Baxter Published by David Baxter September 3rd, 2007 David Baxter has posted a huge sect
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A very juicy article...finger licking, page turning good QuoteThis is not to say that such personal endeavors are worthless, as the article which prompted this post states bluntly. It is a delusion though to think that major change in the world will come about by sipping a particular coffee or that chanting mantras in front of the UN building will get a treaty passed. This is magic thi
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I was seeking relief from distress, this is true. I was introduced to Byron Katie and her book Loving What Is via my therapist in December of 2007. During this time it had a measurable theraputic effect on my well being. I could recognize that my thoughts were way out of line, and that I was reacting emotionally to things that just weren’t true. When I acted as if the thoughts were true, I cou
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One interesting thing from Nightline, is that they do talk about James Ray's past as a telemarketer and salesman. Its a classic story. Professional salespeople take all sorts of courses and trainings about improving their sales skills, and closing skills, negotiating, and persuasion. So they can make more money. There are many books and seminars on this subject. There are also many
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The Awareness Page still exists in the internet archive. For now. Someone should archive a copy of it somewhere. If anyone went after that website, its probably the Landmark LGAT. Notice it does contain links on Impact Trainings, and many other groups. The Awareness Page. James Arthur Ray has taken every single technique he can get his hands on out of the LGAT seminars. Beyond that
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(link to previous reply to Tanya Mannes) It certainly does seem very newsworthy and relevant to San Diego, to explore what happened with Colleen Conaway and another "death" at a James Ray seminar in San Diego, only 2 months before the Sedona deaths and injuries. The family of Colleen Conaway has been quoted as saying that Colleen was already enrolled for the Sedona Spiritual Warri
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Discussion of this is continuing on Page 5 of the NAFPS* Forum -- including discussion of the background of the persons who were involved with the ranch property where the Situation took place. *(New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans) And..if someone wants to research the use of homelessness by LGATs, here are citations from a search of the message board. Not all of them apply but a few
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A article from San Diego is out, and they talk about the San Diego "act homeless" manipulation that James Ray does. But why did they not even mention that Colleen Conaway died from a "suicide" while doing the same seminar in San Diego? The writer of the article Tanya Mannes and her editors, need to be informed about Colleen Conaway, directly and in the comments to this art
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Some here have taken some heat for being so BLUNT in the language they use. But blunt, direct, honest language is essential. These LGAT and cultish groups use language as a weapon, to gently and powerfully shape people's perceptions. To counteract that, can take a glass of cold water. This is why the LGAT Gurus like James Ray, and like Byron Katie, are so TERRIFIED of knowledge and cr
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Some interesting comments on the article below. Notice that the James Ray seminar system copies many others. He has a $20,000 seminar package, with multiple events. Several big LGAT companies do that, as its a higher ticket item, with no refunds, and they have several seminars over a year or so to really brainwash the hell out of you and bilk you of more money at multiple locations. So its
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According to the news report above... __________QUOTE_________________ * A May 2005 event at Disney World, where a New Jersey woman shattered her hand after Ray allegedly bullied her into performing a ritualistic board-breaking exercise. In the Disney World incident, a 2005 negligence lawsuit charged a "reckless" Ray pushed seminar attendee Diane Konopka to smash the board to &q
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Another thing that has become abundantly clear with James Arthur Ray, is the incredible influence and power he has over those who have attended many of his seminars. His "advanced students", as the lingo goes. Like most other LGAT seminars, the seminar guru makes his followers SWEAR TO SECRECY the things that go on behind closed doors in the seminar. They tell their followers this i
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Another death is being reported at a James Ray LGAT seminar in a comment from the CBS news website. Notice the "field trips", sleep deprivation, food deprivation, breaking down people psychologically, acting "homeless", and other precise techniques also used at the Byron Katie LGAT seminars. Byron Katie and "The Work" Participant Reports Contrary to what o
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Another death is being reported at a James Ray LGAT seminar in a comment from the CBS news website. Notice the "field trips", sleep deprivation, food deprivation, breaking down people psychologically, acting "homeless", and other precise techniques also used at the Byron Katie LGAT seminars. Byron Katie and "The Work" Participant Reports Contrary to what o
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QuoteThe AnticultThat message from the PSI member above, is a very standard technique. Verbal shaming. This is the reason the leaders of LGAT groups like PSI, Landmark, Vic Baranco (OneTaste, Nicole Daedone), Scientology, Byron Katie, and many others, all do so-called "charity" work for children, or food for homeless people. It has many pay-offs for them. Its good PR, it keeps p
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virtually every dubious group has used those methods to strip people's identities down to the core. They have been breaking people down like this since the 1960's. Also, they train them, that they can be "happy" with nothing. So the next step is to live with nothing, hand everything over the group, and work for no-pay. Victor Baranco from Lafayette Morehouse used home
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Oops, almost overlooked this post from "jj52", which talks about people giving up their possessions to Byron Katie during "school"... Okay... Lots of stuff here. Still trying to integrate it and get back to reality. First of all, I want to say that I resent the implication that those of us who attended her school are "gullible, insanely stupid, mentally ill",
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Here is something to look at. Note how 'A' stated in her report on Jodys forum that BK actually seemed to WELCOME persons who arrived showing signs of mental instablity. QuoteI'd have thought Katie would have screened more carefully to reduce her liability in these cases, but she actually seemed to welcome the more severely disturbed. I was aware that no deliberate or caref
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That message from the PSI member above, is a very standard technique. Verbal shaming. This is the reason the leaders of LGAT groups like PSI, Landmark, Vic Baranco (OneTaste, Nicole Daedone), Scientology, Byron Katie, and many others, all do so-called "charity" work for children, or food for homeless people. It has many pay-offs for them. Its good PR, it keeps people busy, good
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I received this from one of the PSI Cult members. --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Dsrtspice@ wrote: From: Dsrtspice@ Subject: re PSI To: Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 10:15 AM Dear Pitiful, t seems such a waste of your precious time to cast stones and judge negatively a community of outward focused people who trust each other enough to share their personal information. While you were busy
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Espiritu: The thread hasn't fizzled off. Not for me it hasn't. All I have to do is wake up and look in the mirror and the thread is alive. All I have to do is look at my therapy bills to think about this thread. All I have to do is think about the people who say their methods are OK but those who run it are corrupt and want to vomit in my anger at the insensitivity of the comment. Al
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Quotehelpme2timesIn the Guruphiliac blog entry, in which Byron Katie's 9-day "School" is criticized, an apologist writes in a comment attempting to discredit the criticisms. I'm copying the apologist's comments here in italics, and adding my questions/reactions in bold. Thanks, helpme2times! I've got some things to say in response to this, too. This gives me anoth
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Okay... Lots of stuff here. Still trying to integrate it and get back to reality. First of all, I want to say that I resent the implication that those of us who attended her school are "gullible, insanely stupid, mentally ill", blammo. I realize that you are talking about your family member, but you sure make it sound like everyone there is the same way. Are you trying to help, or hu
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I started a new topic link where I am going to specifically get into the knitty gritty of how Klemmer seminars are operating within mental health malpractice realm. I will share much information and give links to resources and information out there to read. Here is link, and my first post. Rswinters Senior Member Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 194 Posted: 06-30-2007 12:22 AM
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I looked at my records that I kept from going through Klemmer & Associates Personal Mastery seminar program. Here is the order of seminars. 1. Champion Workshop. 3 hour introduction to Personal Mastery. (held in participants state) I paid 20.00 discounted from 59.95 regular price. 2. Personal Mastery Seminar. 3 day seminar over a weekend. (Held in participants state) I paid 395.
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I read several of Tony Robbins books, bought many items off ebay and gotten them from the library and the Tony Robbins stories you describe here just do not mirror my experiences. In fact, they're so alien that I have trouble believing they're real. First off, I do not believe that the science behind the criticism of LGAT is valid science. There is nothing wrong or harmful about
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