Quotesolea13I do believe there is a thread about 'Theohumanity' in this very forum somewhere. I don't know much about it but after all we have discussed here I see some red flags just in the words 'emoto-spiritual' and of course the big one 'paradigm'. New-Agey types love that word :) Is that one of Katie's words? I don't recall "paradigm"
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Quotesolea13My God. What a powerful letter on first reading. Thanks for that corboy. helpme2times - I saw it all the time with my Guru's wife. She would love-bomb the hell out of people to where they were kneeling or weeping on the floor in front of her! They were often exhausted from travling to the seminar, struggling with money issues from coming up with $1,000 - 2,000 to pay and then
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corboy - I understood that you didn't write that letter about TM. corboy wrote: "... they may well be persons from traumatized backgrounds who as children made excuses for abusive parents, rationalized thier own misery as 'character building' dissociated from their horror and sense of shattering betrayal, and identified with thier perpetrator". This idea has com
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this is very interesting. It really brings home why these LGAT Gurus FORCE you to sign their complete disclaimers for all liability before you attend their LGAT's. That is NOT voluntary, you either sign, or they will throw you out into the street on your ass. Why? Because they know they are harming vulnerable people. Even our new BK friend Cultcity, when it was mentioned the BK F
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TAC wrote: "Its always those who do the victimizing of others who don't believe in victims, until they get caught, and then they see themselves as the victim." This double standard is readily seen when a powerholder's suffering elicits endless compassion from followers but if underlings report incurring harm at the hands of the leader, or by following the leader's
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Its only a matter of time before some articles come out exploring and criticizing Tolle and Oprah, and the rest of it. Its just that the media is so degraded these days, just recycling celebrity news to cut costs. But even with criticism, they will still make their money selling fake-enlightenment illusions to the mass public. Irony upon irony. Also, an above post reminded me of the axiom th
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Dear S13: I didnt write it, just found it elsewhere. As The Anticult has reminded us that the social structure/LGAT infra structure of these seemingly different groups is, under the surface, quite similar, well--the inner structure of a charismatic leader's psyche is also pretty similar, no matter what the group or belief system. There's the difference between public persona
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My God. What a powerful letter on first reading. Thanks for that corboy. helpme2times - I saw it all the time with my Guru's wife. She would love-bomb the hell out of people to where they were kneeling or weeping on the floor in front of her! They were often exhausted from travling to the seminar, struggling with money issues from coming up with $1,000 - 2,000 to pay and then this woman w
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Quotesolea13We would all fall over ourselves to 'volunteer' to work seminars. We would all write these cloying, sickly sweet letters to the Guru, telling him that as lowly, worthless students we didn't really deserve to work for him but we would do the very best we could to serve to the best of our 'small capacity'. Then we would work these hellish seminars; long, mise
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This letter was written by a former follower of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. But some of what is in that letter may apply here: What are quoted are some excerpts. The URL will give you the whole thing. "Transcending real feelings that live inside me is not the path to anything but denial. These feelings don’t go away or get healed by transcending. You described it as a bore to drill thro
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Looking back through this thread and trying to absorb some of the interesting material, it seems that we can't underestimate the ways in which these different groups really back each other up, both knowingly and unknowingly. Katie tells you to 'love what is' not to trust yourself, your own identity, your own thoughts, feelings or beliefs. Tolle does essentially the same thing
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QuotecorboyIt is interesting that despite stating that he or she is reading through the thread, our visitor CC directed close attention and addressed by name only the three most recent correspondants on this thread--moi, helpme2times, and The Anticult. Anticult has also had the great honor of having an earlier troll mimic Anticults computer handle--'anticultist'. I don't recall CC
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Getting Out the Raid Anticult wrote: also, just want to drop into this a reminder...that virtually all of this research can be applied to almost ANY of these New Agey type antiguru Gurus who are out there today. They use very similar methods, as they all learn from a similar playbook. They're CONTENT may be different, it may even be aliens, Christ Consciousness, Hinduism, alleged
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Oh, yeah, the 'volunteer' thing, don't get me started on how insidiously my group used that one! We would all fall over ourselves to 'volunteer' to work seminars. We would all write these cloying, sickly sweet letters to the Guru, telling him that as lowly, worthless students we didn't really deserve to work for him but we would do the very best we could to serve
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Welcome to ByronKatieSpeak. These are words/phrases I've repeatedly heard and/or read BK say... Angel Honey Sweetheart Hopeless! I am a lover of what is. I get that. I hear that. I invite you to... If you really want to be free, have the work for breakfast. Have it for lunch. Have it for dinner. Is it true? It should have happened because it did. That's the way of it.
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QuoteThe AnticultAnother huge Byron Katie word is INVITE. INVITE INVITE I Invite you to ______. Quite similar to CC saying: ""Will you look with me?"
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yes, one could build a Katie lexicon, with her words and phrases that get used often. This is part of the private language of any group, which grows over time. Its a form of language control. If you were at a BK event, and did NOT use the BK words and phrases, you get shunned, like at any of these types of LGAT events. Another huge Byron Katie word is INVITE. INVITE INVITE I Invite you to
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QuoteThe AnticultOne could build a little database of all of the Byron Katie phrases, and then watch them. You see her followers use the exact same language patterns. I noticed that CultCity said in a post, "I hear that." Byron Katie says "I hear that" and "I get that" A LOT. I also remember feeling a sort of weird BK-like boundary-diminishing thing when CC s
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also, just want to drop into this a reminder...that virtually all of this research can be applied to almost ANY of these New Agey type antiguru Gurus who are out there today. They use very similar methods, as they all learn from a similar playbook. They're CONTENT may be different, it may even be aliens, Christ Consciousness, Hinduism, alleged Buddhism, Astrology, Atman, Psychics, or any
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The only time I like being called "sweetheart" by a stranger, is when I order the blue plate special at a greasy spoon at 5am..."sweetheart will that be with gravy or fries...". (don't order the gravy!). The Byron Katie use of language with all the Sweetheart LoveBombing, and how everyone on the Byron Katie messageboards writes LOVE after every single post... One co
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Some excellent points. As mentioned before, the Byron Katie "head-cock" or her tilting of her head at times, is not just a random thing, believe it or not. Sure, it may have evolved organically, but its a technique too. In hypnosis, they establish "signals" and triggers and anchors. It may be a hand gesture, or a look, or a head-tilt, Voice-Cue, anything. You see, over t
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I'd like to say for anyone visiting here who is a very nice type person and doesn't like harshness and criticism.... It can be very necessary to be blunt and even harsh regarding someone like Byron Katie. At least for some of us. It's a way to counteract all that love-bombing. "Sweetheart, is that true?" I think a big reason I got sucked in so easily was that I
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The Gospel of The Cockroach is quite fascinating on several levels. Humans primary emotions are sad, mad, glad, scared, disgust, guilt. (take note how Katie uses all those, especially guilt). But the cockroach is about DISGUST. How many humans would NOT react to a cockroach on them? Almost zero. Even Byron Katie, if someone put a cockroach on her arm or dinner plate without her awareness
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Anticult said: "Do you seriously believe she learned all of her persuasion techniques by magic at the foot of a cockroach?" Right. Like magic, those four questions just popped in there! From Allison Adato's Los Angeles Times interview with Byron Katie, "How a Self-Help Guru is Born": QuoteAs she tells it, by the time she was 43 in February 1986, her life had hi
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Cult City's questions are best answered by his or her hiring an attorney--not by us. William Butler Yeats wrote a poem that ends, 'I am poor and have only my dreams I will spread my dreams under your feet. Tread softly for you tread on my dreams.' In this modern world of cost and profit, there may be a compensatory and yearning for magic, for instant transformation,
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I have said my piece on so-called personal Life Coaches before, they are mainly a waste of money and useless, and at worst very harmful. Its too broad. A coach is about specific skills, like golf. If a person has a problem, find a coach for that problem, like a golf coach, or a piano coach, etc. Life Coaches are a current fad to make easy money. Many of the contracts are tricky and lock peopl
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Byron Katie's blog talks about using her work with veterans who have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder: [Treating Post Traumatic Stress Disorder: Veterans & The Work] Notice that it says TREATING Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Someone who commented on the PTSD blog said (note: I've bolded a few parts): QuoteOne young man, Joe, probably an Iraqi War vet judging by his age,
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QuotecultcityI have read now pages 9-18 of this thread. I will continue daily. I have one area I would like to clear - I said "staff fee" - more accurately that is food and lodging cost, not staff fee. Yes - staff pay food and lodging cost. Here is the message I am getting from my interaction here so far: There is a risk of being sued if offering services as a facilitator, BK w
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"Corboy - I have taken in everything you have offered and see your approach with me as helpful and instructive." Again, if you did not enjoy what I wrote, I can guarantee it is a lot worse in a court room. Just make sure BK is as loyal to you as you are to her.
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"I will respond to questions and comments as time permits, but if you want to take issue with any position expressed here, you first have to answer this question: What evidence would it take to prove your beliefs wrong? I simply will not reply to challenges that do not address this question." cc response: Not sure if this was directed to me or if I am suspect of trolling,
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