Be Scofield has been doing one helluva job exposing the dark side of the guru business/Enlightement Industry. Which would piss off a lot of people. Anything that smears Be Scofield needs careful investigation -- all of us would want that if anyone were to do the same to us. When discussing how Moo influences people, many of us found it very helpful to read analyses of conversational tr
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Err...CEI has a vast discussion of Byron > Katie. > > > She changed her story a number of times before > coming up with the > instant enlightement story focusing on the > cockroach. > > The Anticult, who supplied many, many analyses of > conversational trance induction > met
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Err...CEI has a vast discussion of Byron Katie. Though the focus of this thread is on Moo, it is important to understand that becoming a Big Name Spiritual Teacher is no accident. It is not God's Grace. It is Mammon. To become a Big Name Spiritual Teacher you are operate in a very mercenary context. To remain a Big Name Spiritual Teacher and not get drowned out by marketing from
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For persons new to this message thread, here is a list of important posts Wedding rings. This will not happen at a one day event. But if you are beguiled to go to longer events, this is discussed on earlier posts made to this thread. Analysis of 'A Thousand Names for Joy' (Scroll down list and read) Mind Cleanse Turnaround House Confidentiality Agreements
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Those comments made about the Holocaust quoted in these threads, should be reported to those who investigate those issues. And the Turnaround events, yes, its meant to turn-your-cash around, and put it into the pockets of BKI Inc. Why else would they charge all those people 20K, which is about $1000 a day? And remember, the ticket price is only the entrance fee. If folks have family money
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For those interested, here are a couple links about how Byron Katie PERMANENTLY receives as "Gifts" people's valuable jewellery, wedding rings, laptops, airline tickets... at her 9 day LGAT seminar called The School For The Work. Obviously, its just a way to extract more free money, and a deeper psychological attachment to the Guru. There are a bunch of other posts in the Byro
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Yes, that was it, thanks. That passage is almost identical, emotionally, to passages in the book Altar Music, about certain nuns who "communed" with eachother touching eachothers chests/hearts, except they were not nude in a pool in the book! But there were other areas of the book, about the sexual abuse from the older nun to the younger nuns, but they didn't go into much detai
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A follow-up about the book Grace Unfolding: Psychotherapy in the Spirit of Tao-te ching (Paperback) The second quote from the Introduction is from (Mitchell, 67). And they had to seek permission from the publishers to quote from their books, so they knew about that book in detail for many years, until they copied its format. The goal of the Byron Katie Tao book, was to try to associat
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Who Owns Your Intellectual and Soulful Property after Youve been To an LGAT?? QuoteSo it would be like taking private therapy video recordings, and then the therapist owns them, and can sell them, using your picture, voice, and everything else. Its very similar to Scientology, who record and save all of their "auditing" they do of people, where people confess all of their sins. T
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Stever Robbins gets technical...about using Ericksonian language patterns in German, which has different grammatical structures. ___________________________________ QUOTE EXCERPT: "Much of early NLP was based on the work of Virginia Satir, a family therapist; Fritz Perls, founder of Gestalt therapy; Gregory Bateson, anthropologist; and Milton Erickson, hypnotist. It was Erickson'
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And messing around with "grammar" is pretty much lesson #1 in advanced conversational hypnotherapy. Its a huge subject. But the first thing you learn is to shift tenses (past-present), and nouns, verbs, and to scramble it up. Some of it is to confuse the conscious mind, and trigger a transderivational search. They also use Transformational Grammar, Artfully Vague language patterns,
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Quoteoncebitten Actually as I started to write this it rings a bell about how BK has a story about her husband (Stephen the douche)* gave her a wedding her and asked her with a smile to keep it as long as she could because she has a tendency to just randomly give her possesions away. The anecdote was all very light hearted and endearing but not in retrospect as anticult laid out that this can act
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I used to really be into studying the 'Work' and ironically it/she helped me overcome some of my own issues with authority figures and cults. I used to think she was one of the few 'good ones' out there and gave the benefit of the doubt about the tuition fee for the school. Reading this board and Janaki's story, what really broke the camel's back for was the woman
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Again, very important posts by Meadow, for numerous reasons. first off, it shows the outright flagrant lies, yes lies, from the BK related people who say they have stopped "suggesting" people hand over their wedding rings. That is yet another in a long series of lies. And sadly, this person does NOT realize what the "wedding ring" thing is really about. What is it about
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Thank you Stoic, for your post on gaslighting. I am definitely going to look into that book. And the manipulation goes on and on. Just found some more examples of the effect they are causing, and how people adopt someone's bullshit and have it dominate their lives. This is a very recent post on one of BK’s forums (jumping back to the wedding rings). Quote…I did not give my wedding
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Beware the internet sock puppets...when the fire gets too close to home, and their constructed Stories... ;-) over on the Guruphiliac forum, jgf75 is making some interesting comments. jgf75 again wants to continue to create smoke and distraction, by saying that the posters moderate this forum? Are you kidding? People post anything they want, moderation is up to the moderator, not the pos
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also in terms of the private data on the laptop. Even if it was deleted on the spot, its still all on the computer hard-drive, and can be accessed very easily. There are countless free apps that do that, like Recuva The only way to make an old hard-drive unreadable, is with a hammer. Also, in terms of gift recovery, or gift reattachment surgery... People might be able to get their "
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on dear lord, this marketing page for the Byron Katie School for the Work August 14 - 23, 2009 The School for The Work Los Angeles, California You can count at least 35 techniques being used on that page in a very quick read-through. Many embedded suggestions and metaphors in the language, even future-pacing trance text, post-hypnotic suggestions... and embedding LIFELONG member
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another important action to take, is to get back any "stuff", if at all possible. For example, why do they prepare people for days on end, and then get them to hand over a "gift-wrapped gift" of their most valuable and valued possessions? Its not just about the monetary value of the object for resale, but the emotional value to the person who owns it. If a person hands
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Oops, almost overlooked this post from "jj52", which talks about people giving up their possessions to Byron Katie during "school"... Okay... Lots of stuff here. Still trying to integrate it and get back to reality. First of all, I want to say that I resent the implication that those of us who attended her school are "gullible, insanely stupid, mentally ill",
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Probably some of the comments about BK having "magical powers of a magician" were directed at some of my comments. But I never said that, I said the exact opposite. There is nothing magical about what she is doing at all, its all technique. These techniques have been refined over the last 20+ years. In this thread, you see the detailed evidence of these techniques and methods. By
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Going For the Gold Current price of gold today: QuoteGold Bullion 969.00 US$ per ounce up $26.00 from yesterday $961.00 (opening price) $971.00 (low) $961.00 (high) Public Service Annoucement--How Not to Lose Your Gold To prove that RR.com is a full service continuing education website-- not only is it wise to leave jewelry, checkbooks and credit cards at home, if enter
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hmm, good point! Why why why, are people allowed to wear their expensive jewelry and watches and wedding rings? Why why o why? Its a mystery. not. Because later in the week, when they are deeply indoctrinated, and even "hypnotized" if you will, then they can hand them over to Byron Katie, as has been reported. Then at some point, these valuables could be taken down to Krazy Ha
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Thanks for this info. Its interesting how the folks who have escaped the BK system, always had a little resistance they never let go of. The kept their wedding ring, they kept smoking, etc. They defied the Byron Katie system, and so it never REALLY took hold of them for years and years. You are going to save some people's lives, literally, by posting this information. Weeks and months ahe
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Hi GoE: a tip is to make sure you save each post before you post it, as sometimes posts don't make it through due to a error, etc. So hopefully if the BK waiver doesn't turn up, then you can easily repost it? It will be fascinating to compare that waiver with the goodie-bag and red rose. The GOODIE BAG thing is what you guys have said. Its also one more thing. RECIPROCITY.
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one thing I wanted to mention, is I think its very healthy for Rick Ross and others from time to time to "set things straight". Why? Healthy boundaries. Those who have been in a culty group can easily get sucked into months and years of circular debate and confusion. At some point you have to draw a line. If a person gets busted for lying, lets say, 25 times...then its over. (ca
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I haven't read all the posts in detail above, but my guess is that Salerno on SHAMblog is a big believer in open debate, as any healthy person is. (unlike these cultic groups). Maybe Salerno is going to run a feature article on Katie in some magazine, or maybe the Byron Katie Borg has gotten to him with more "private phone calls". You will notice that Byron Katie has certain peop
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I'll just toss out a couple more general ideas too... I think people analyzing their own personalities is very good. For example, if you find you are "suggestible" in terms of hypnosis, then you have to be VERY careful. Whereas some people are like rocks and can't be "hypnotized" in the normal sense of the word. Or maybe a person is "too nice" or &qu
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one other ridiculous thing the Byron Katie people do, which shows how obvious they are is they always say something like... The Work is freely given. Notice the deceptive double-speak strategy behind that? Its like a fisherman saying... "the bait on my hook is Freely Given to the fishes". Byron Katie is putting all that stuff out there as BAIT, and a HOOK, to grab
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Cognitive therapy has shown very clearly, that too much self-blame, creates too much guilt. It has also proven for decades, that too much self-blame and self-downing creates and magnifies depression. So with the fraud of Byron Katies The Work, no matter what happens, you take 100% self-blame, and direct it all back at yourself. Guess what? That is going to literally send you into a deeper
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