Welcome to the CEI message board. We 'bump' older topics upwards to the front page all the time so that visitors can know what's available. The Byron Katie discussion was one of the most heavily disrupted, trolled conversations that took place on the message board. Heavy trolling is a sure sign that many consider a discussion valuable, and that many others want that same
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This is a long read. The mind you save may be your own. This is an analysis by The Antcult of a script of another guru's "teaching story". Go through it and see if any of it matches what you've seen Moo say or do. Re: Byron Katie (the Work) - hypnotic language patterns, metaphors Posted by: The Anticult Date: March 11, 2008 06:48AM -----------------------
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An example of a complete non-realistic teachings (bull-shit) of the great but false pseudo guru Johnny Baldwin Midgett aka Balakhilya das, who in his lectures in Poland or in Ukraine, insistently argued that nowadays we have all the facilities to "please our senses". Midgett's pseudo guru, who lives in a hacienda in Hawaii and when there is no electricity and water, it is a tragedy
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ForgottenIA, Below is one of the earliest posts about Shiloh. It deals exclusively with that person's summer camp experience as a "young adult." If I recall, almost all the posts on this subject deal with experience, very few (if any) about the decisions that went into designing the physical structure of that place. It's likely that most of those who could provide you with
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One of the earliest comments in this forum, back in 2006. It's a description of one young adult's experience at Shiloh summer camp. In a subsequent post, this person says the year was 1992. Posted by: recoveredfinally Date: October 07, 2006 10:46AM Shiloh really was a slave camp. I was forced to work all day long in the blazing heat cutting rose bushes one summer. I fainted fr
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Leahsmiles wrote: I also went to Shiloh several times. I was in YASP late 90s. I remember working in fields pulling thistles. One day a girl fainted from the heat, we had to keep working. There were many long sermons and church sessions in a nhug auditorium, at least 3 a day. We had to do a lot of chores like cooking,cleaning, working in organic farm fields even as children. If we weren't i
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From October of 2006--a young adult describing his/her YASP experience at Shiloh: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: recoveredfinally Date: October 07, 2006 10:46AM Shiloh really was a slave camp. I was forced to work all day long in the blazing heat cutting rose bushes one summer. I fainted from exhaustian. Most summers were spent like this: wake up a
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This post by 'recoveredfinally,' a young adult commenting on her summer camp experience at Shiloh. This was posted way back in October of 2006. The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: recoveredfinally Date: October 07, 2006 10:46AM Shiloh really was a slave camp. I was forced to work all day long in the blazing heat cutting rose bushes one summer.
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This stuff has been discussed here in depth by a denizen of the message board named The Anticult. We learned a lot from TAC while discussing by a commercial transformation teacher named Byron Katie. Introduction - double meanings in sublminal trance persuasion. The Anticult showed us how these messages can be used to dull our response to genuine danger, compromise our boundaries and - inst
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A BBC News article -- Charisma can be learned by mastering a specific set of skills. The Art and Science of Charisma QuoteCharm involves making eye contact with individuals and flashing them a smile, getting people to talk about themselves, asking personal questions and making empathic statements, whereas charismatic leaders don’t necessarily have to interact directly with the people
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My Ex boyfriend is a member of Sai Maa and he is young not like the older members that are clearly insane once you meet them. We were together for four year and were very seriously in Love but then Sai Maa destroyed everything we built, our home our future everything lost. He spent thousands of dollars on Sai Maa’s retreats. The foundation and communication was lost forever. I’m here to tell ever
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Hello Peter72 Yes Finally someone talks the truth about Sai Maa. . . I’m one of them in addition to 15 other people I know that will be talking more about this horrible woman and her Cult Organization run by her disciples. Peter72 you are correct the Sai Maa Organization is a sinister is a Cult! My Ex boyfriend is a member of Sai Maa and he is young not like the older members that are clearly
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Analyses of story telling and metaphor usage by The Anticult Analysis of a "washing machine" story. Boredom "Nested Loops"
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I really don't understand the hostility. You say you don't mind mistakes being corrected, but it seems that isn't true. And I get bashed for it, what gives you the impression I don't know what Butler teaches? I don't get it. Well, I do know what Butler teaches, I can recite it to you if you want. I have been around his group and his teachings since 1979 when I moved to
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When arrested, all Jesus owned were the clothes he stood in. A note about 'sweet properties' such as the one described above: It isnt only what one must pay by way of taxes. A big property eats money. And in a multitude of ways. Roofs need fixing. Pipes and circuits wear out and have to be replaced. * Unless the owner does his or her own gardening and housekeeping, suc
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For persons new to this message thread, here is a list of important posts Wedding rings. This will not happen at a one day event. But if you are beguiled to go to longer events, this is discussed on earlier posts made to this thread. Analysis of 'A Thousand Names for Joy' (Scroll down list and read) Mind Cleanse Turnaround House Confidentiality Agreements
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Here is page 118 of the pages that were lost from this thread since the domain name was changed. Some links might be out of date but links to this forum have been updated. ............................................................................................................................................................................................... December 08, 2011 01:50AM
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Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI Old Page 328 Former Cult Members and Affected Families =================================================================================================================== November 08, 2011 01:19PM Nichijew Date Added: 08/13/2009 Posts: 564 Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI When I was in the Gakkai, I was always spaced out, rarely
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Drinking foot bath water and eating toenail clippings. Well, here I am again to shed some light on the Truth. Some people have taken offence when foot bath water and toenail clippings are mentioned in association with Science of Identity founder, Chris Butler. It would be a huge embarrassment to admit to falling for such utter nonsense and a truly disgusting ritual, so it’s no surprise that th
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Continued ... "In 1943, at a time when Soka Kyoiku-gakkai had a membership of about three thousand, the Japanese military ordered all religions to align themselves with Shinto, the native Japanese religion. Makiguchi, together with a group of Nichiren Shoshu priests, challenged the decree. He was arrested and imprisoned, as was Toda. Makiguchi died in prison in 1944 at the age of seventy-
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QuoteFreeheartandmindIf we could post those clapping smiley face thingies, I would post three or four. Your comment about the beads is right-on. I read recently that the "proper" thing to do is hold them quietly while chanting, but that's not how it was done while I was in. The louder the better! I personally used them to stay awake. Rubbing the beads very loud and making the so
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Dear forum Why I am participating in this forum and making anti BUTLER videos ....???. ITS TO INFORM ....potential new disciples of Butler of the sinister sides of the guy and maybee seed some doupts in the hearts of present followers of Mr Univers . Brain washing is taken place .....but if someone wants to beleive Butler is the intimate chum of blue GOD Krishna what can be done ? Bef
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CHAPTER 15 Flam On September 4, 1998, at a small meeting convened in Geneva, Ye Hao encouraged a practitioner to ask Li Hongzhi a question: “Master, do we still need Jing Zhanyi to promote our cult?” Li Hongzhi replied: “The situation has changed and Jing Zhanyi promoting the cult has changed too…Jing Zhanyi was of the good race left by the previous Earth explosion.” Li Hongzhi’s reply ref
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Quotegohonzonchanter So whatever you are chanting for, or whatever you believe when you chant either negative or positive will materialize in your life. The above post is a false claim. Its wrong, and proven wrong. At best, its the Confirmation Bias. And SGI by Ikeda deliberately uses that bias to deceive the multitude, and destroy their ability for critical thinking. As stated, there i
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One of the comments on this blog entry says part of the Desteni cult's "psilosophy" was taken from Gurdjieff. There are other threads here on Rick Ross about Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff's "Fourth Way" is very psychologically damaging: About Gurdjieff: Lords of the left-hand path: A history of spiritual dissent - Stephen E Flowers: QuoteEditorial Review This
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I was following a forum discussion elsewhere of ex-members of a Gurdjieff group. One member has done some great research on Gurdjieff. Here it is: Lords of the left-hand path: A history of spiritual dissent - Stephen E Flowers: QuoteEditorial Review This is an extensive study of Left-Hand Path individuals and groups from ancient times to modern movements such as the Church of Satan a
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I was following a forum discussion elsewhere of ex-members of a Gurdjieff group. One member has done some great research on Gurdjieff. Here it is: Lords of the left-hand path: A history of spiritual dissent - Stephen E Flowers: QuoteEditorial Review This is an extensive study of Left-Hand Path individuals and groups from ancient times to modern movements such as the Church of Satan a
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QuoteThe AnticultIkeda is far far richer than Oprah! Again, you have to wonder, its impossible for all of those SGI billions to have come from mere "donations". Sure, many many millions were collected in donations. But there seems to be mysterious billions which have flowed into SGI, and then were repeatedly moved all over the world, as the money was put through the washing machine.
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Ikeda is far far richer than Oprah! Again, you have to wonder, its impossible for all of those SGI billions to have come from mere "donations". Sure, many many millions were collected in donations. But there seems to be mysterious billions which have flowed into SGI, and then were repeatedly moved all over the world, as the money was put through the washing machine. Maybe one day
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If anyone is curious about getting a 'feel' for Ken Keyes Jr.s material, here are some selections. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There was discussion some time back about various authors who might have been influential for BK. One named was Ken Keyes Jr. Those interested can get a few samples of Keyes material here.
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