Here are a few enlightening comments about trance by The Anticult. Ponder them with Moo in mind. lex Benzer aka Ali Binazir, taoofdating.com hypnosis abuse Posted by: The Anticult Date: December 29, 2009 08:54AM Below is another version of Ali Binazir's "hypnosis story", about getting "knocked out" simply by listening to someone else get hypnotized. That
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Run don't walk away from Cunov. This guy is another predator/con-artist/NLPer in the mold of Carmine Baffa and Ross Jeffries. He preys on weak and insecure men and their inability to get dates, etc. See the pictures of all those foxy ladies he has as coaches, etc? They are desperate man bait to make you look past the $2500 price tag for some watered down NLP/Speed Seduction garbage and
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Its absolutely true that Kevin Hogan would be laughed out of the actual NLP hypnosis field. (unless they though they could make some money letting him do the marketing). So the Kevin Hogan's move to fleecing the general public, who know nothing about it. Ross Jeffries has chimed in on the James Ray situation, on the Guruphiliac blog. There are some mentions in these forums too. Jame
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Is there anyone out there, who is really teaching influence? No, why would they. They can make millions DOING it, not giving away their "secrets". One has to patch together what they are doing from various sources. Hogan is a two-bit poseur, I remember when he was trying to make a name for himself back in the mid nineties on alt.psychology-nlp. IIRC he was originally a carpet instal
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Avoid all hypnotic seminars and therapists. Most are have done nothing more than take a one or two week course on hypnosis and that's it. Others may have taken NLP seminars as well. But neither qualifies these so-called therapists to go about mucking in your head or planting suggestions you know nothing about. See most of these so-called therapists were nothing but guys and gals working i
Forum: Coercive Persuasion and Undue Influence

QuoteStoicRoss Jeffries is taking a leaf out of the James Ray marketing manual and beginning to marry the pick-up artist manipulation with spiritual concepts. This video is chockful of manipulative tactics and NLP patterns, I'd advise great care on viewing as Jeffries is at his seductive 'best' here. ross jeffries sales spiel Best line in this video: "Get out of that a
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Ross Jeffries is taking a leaf out of the James Ray marketing manual and beginning to marry the pick-up artist manipulation with spiritual concepts. This video is chockful of manipulative tactics and NLP patterns, I'd advise great care on viewing as Jeffries is at his seductive 'best' here. ross jeffries sales spiel
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Below is another version of Ali Binazir's "hypnosis story", about getting "knocked out" simply by listening to someone else get hypnotized. That in itself, is a common technique to induce rapid trance induction. They tell you a "story" about someone who rapidly got "knocked out" simply by listening to a story about another person getting put into hyp
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Here a little more about how the advanced NLP persuasion people think. James Arthur Ray has studied their methods very carefully. Richard Bandler's partner is John La Valle, who is also co-author of the book Persuasion Engineering. The advertising material out there by John La Valle is really disgusting, frankly. He uses a lot of deliberate Confusion and embedded suggestions about "
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

This is a special message for a few of the NLPers and weasels who are running around trying to deflect this advanced persuasion stuff away from NLP, and how James Arthur Ray uses parts of it. Those folks are lying right through their capped bleached teeth. Its all there in black and white. James Ray has directly mimicked and copied a number of people, almost like a robot, people like Tony
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

The Anticult wrote QuoteAnd they rationalize it with either not caring, or don't think about it, or think its FUNNY and laugh like Ross Jeffries in that video, or believe some Libertarian stuff, or Ayn Rand Virtue of Selfishness, etc. Or...they see themselves as mind technicians or even as magicians. A little wisdom tale from real life: I knew a fellow who was paraplegic and in
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

The thing with these advanced NLP-style persuaders and conversational hypnotherapists...like the Stever Robbins type of guys, (there are many many of them out there...) First off, anyone who has been immersed in it for decades, has a profoundly different way of looking at the world, and at people. Very serious intellectual arrogance is part of that system, as they generally are very intellige
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

QuoteChristaQuoteThe Anticult Hate to bring up Stever Robbins again, but he is far far worse, as he is trying to act naive. Oh, I don't think it's possible bring up Stever Robbins too much. But we've never talked about his most perplexing characteristic: his degrees from 2 of the best universities in the world, ... Regarding Stever Robbins degrees, not sure having an MBA ma
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

QuoteThe Anticult Hate to bring up Stever Robbins again, but he is far far worse, as he is trying to act naive. Oh, I don't think it's possible bring up Stever Robbins too much. But we've never talked about his most perplexing characteristic: his degrees from 2 of the best universities in the world, degrees that should enable him to earn real, serious money doing honest work
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

MANIPULATION 101 by Stever Robbins. Notice below: - PRE-FRAME the debate so objections are IMPOSSIBLE - non-verbal signals to trigger emotions - lock people into your point of view, even if they disagree. This is not even the tip of the iceberg with this guy, and he is using those methods currently trying to confuse his connection with Byron Katie and others. Byron Katie uses all of the
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

and Stever Robbins would know all about Ross Jeffries and the NLP applications of hypnosis to "seduction". Its the exact same techniques used by many of the LGAT guru's, but just focussed on your purse. Here is a webpage where they mention that Ross Jeffries was at the advanced NLP workshop with Richard Bandler, where Bandler recommended him. Stever Robbins constantly talks abo
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

"Pickup Artists" and "The Seduction Community" QuoteStoic I then watched this clip which I think is Jeffries with a better personal image, demonstrating his technique to Louis Theroux. This doesn't look at all staged to me and the induction is quite slick. I assume there is a post-hypnotic suggestion planted for the girl seems to follow the two men the way a lost duckli
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

QuoteStoic I then watched this clip which I think is Jeffries with a better personal image, demonstrating his technique to Louis Theroux. This doesn't look at all staged to me and the induction is quite slick. I assume there is a post-hypnotic suggestion planted for the girl seems to follow the two men the way a lost duckling will follow any moving object. pick-up in action A couple more
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Thanks, everyone. Stoic, your explanation was very helpful. I looked at the video again and think you're right. I'll add that there was something about that woman that seemed particularly submissive, but maybe that was one of the effects of the trance, or the very reason Jeffries picked her out. I've now watched all of the videos sparrow listed, as well as many Ross Jeffries vid
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Hi Christa, Despite the fact he started "the community" Ross Jeffries' stuff is regarded by that community as being outdated and relatively unsophisticated when compared to what has come since. (Mystery etc) however the methodology is sound and based well and truly on NLP and Ericksonian hypnosis (conversational hypnosis) To me the clip seems genuine (all the correct trance i
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Here are some clips of some of the "Gurus" of "The Game" I think this is useful because it will educate people as to some of the techniques being used so you can spot them, and thus avoid them! Those with NLP, Hypnosis knowledge, spot the hidden manipulation techniques being used on the audience. Its also pretty funny to read some of the comments written under the cl
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

QuoteCarlos BThe Anticult - and when someone claims an accredtation from a university but won't say which university it was, or provide a reference, don't alarm bells ring? Yes, if they did it one a website, selling their stuff. But I just don't see the problem here. Sparrow is the one who brought up the potential problems, as mentioned. As far as a guy like Ross Jeff
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Quotesparrow"Meta" as used by the NLP community (comes from the greek word) usually means something that is "beyond" or "adjacent" to something else. ... In terms of manipulation (er sorry I mean "influence" !) what is really being referred to here is that communication occurs on many levels. ... Other later studies have changed these figures up or dow
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Many years ago I was attending a training in some fairly high level NLP and Hypnosis. The instructor, who is very well known, mentioned this guy who was using these types of techniques to seduce women and have sex with them. I was young, single and thus intrigued! and so I began my journey in to the bizarre underworld that is "the seduction community" The mans name was Ross Jef
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

This poster is either not being honest, or is perhaps dangerously naive. (notice how they took the one word "make" and ignored the words about "Influence", to distract. On the most banal level, salespeople have dozens of techniques to Influence your beliefs to buy their products. Dozens of books on that subject. Advanced Salespeople are much better, and literally do as
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

To be sure, NLP techniques can be used by the unscrupulous to manipulate people. You could check out Ross Jeffries' Speed Seduction site for an obvious example. However, basic to the practice of NLP, as taught in all NLP practitioner courses, is the notion of the "outcome frame" -- obtaining a clear, specific statement of what the client wants in the client's terms. When
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"