Welcome to the CEI message board. We 'bump' older topics upwards to the front page all the time so that visitors can know what's available. The Byron Katie discussion was one of the most heavily disrupted, trolled conversations that took place on the message board. Heavy trolling is a sure sign that many consider a discussion valuable, and that many others want that same
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

If you want an in depth look at the way these mind fucking technologies are abused, go run an all dates search for a member named 'The Anticult' This message board is 20 years old* and the all dates search covers the whole timeline. Topics to search handshake induction nested loops crazy stories crazy like a fox or just fox shell companies confusion liability *Than
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Here's a URL for something Anticult wrote. Second post from the top. Here is a list of posts Anti Cult wrote describing a sophisticated trance induction story telling method that goes by the name "nested loops". To do a search on the CEI message board that covers from discussions many years ago, always select "All Dates" before running your search.
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Hi Sarv, I came to the same conclusion as you some time ago. Mooji uses hypnosis/trance. His videos leave you in a state of very relaxed confusion, if you are susceptible to trance induction. I felt very fuzzy-headed after watching the Mooji material and I began t have 'nihilist' thoughts, such as 'nothing matters'. I became very suspicious that something was not right with
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Here on CEI message board we've discussed the > nested loops trance technique. > > To get the straight dope, go to Search. > > Select all dates. Put The Anticult in the author > slot > > Put nested loops in the words slot and select > exact phrase. > > Anricults contri
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Here on CEI message board we've discussed the nested loops trance technique. To get the straight dope, go to Search. Select all dates. Put The Anticult in the author slot Put nested loops in the words slot and select exact phrase. Anricults contributions elicited lots of troll disruption.
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Well, an update on this generally, during last weekend I was searching the forum about something else and came across some information others have already posted about the practice of hypnotism. This link, posted about something called Nested Loops gave me a brain click because of the “great” story teller I associated with Shunyamurti. Y’know, story telling and listening is great childlike fu
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Gravru123 wrote: QuoteBTW, don't let anyone try to use Byron Katie's ideas to help you because they are abusive. I wish you the best in your healing. Never give up--there is a lot out there to help us. Ruth Ten years ago, several persons discussed Byron Katie and her methods on this message board. One participant, The Anticult taught us how to identify Katie's techniqu
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Thanks to Internet Archives Wayback Machine, here is a saved copy of a discussion of how neurolinguistic nested loops story telling works as a method of trance induction. One person in the discussion mentioned something called 'tonal chaining' -- utilizing voice inflection. See if, along with everything else, someone might just might use voice inflection. Just now I
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Hi Billyboy, I would like to post some links for you to explore: A good general website all about hypnosis. The author does say that a type of indirect hypnosis can be used on people without their consent (they have no idea that they are being hypnotized) and that this is skill is dangerous, if it ends up in the wrong hands. This is a BBC documentary. It goes for a full hour
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Sahara71 wrote: QuoteIt's like a story, within a story, within a story. Pretty soon you lose track of where you are, which is the whole aim of it, I suppose. You kind of zone out. Friend, what you said here describes a specific technique used in trance induction - nested loops. Years ago on the CEI message board, The Anticult, an expert in trance induction, described this technique.
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Keeping people waiting is a great way to build anticipation. Many gurus demand that devotees arrive and be seated on time, yet show up late themselves. Devotees, disciples, students, murids put up with this, assuming it is a lesson for their own diseased egos, a way to burn off nafs, impurities, samskaras, by enduring lateness from their beloved leader. It does not occur to them that this
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Annnnntiichipaaatiooon..... (Vintage television ad for ketchup) Quote Nest a story within a story. The brain always wants to complete a pattern. Once the story is over, it is filed away, and the attention is shifted to the next thing. To sustain your audience’s attention for a longer time and create anticipation, begin a story and then take a detour through another story. Close the
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Trance techniques can easily be concealed within the satsang/darshan setting. Authority centered persuasion -- very old techniques Satsang setting has its own set of rules Some gurus appropriated powerful trance technology used by Werner Erhard (est, Landmark) and concealed this behind Hindu trappings. Sparkly Eyes (Look at your own eyes in a mirror. Then compare with
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A BBC News article -- Charisma can be learned by mastering a specific set of skills. The Art and Science of Charisma QuoteCharm involves making eye contact with individuals and flashing them a smile, getting people to talk about themselves, asking personal questions and making empathic statements, whereas charismatic leaders don’t necessarily have to interact directly with the people
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Analyses of story telling and metaphor usage by The Anticult Analysis of a "washing machine" story. Boredom "Nested Loops"
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Gurus or masters who giggle all the time, wiggle and waggle and tilt their heads in peculiar ways. Maharishi and Rajneesh did this. So, I am sorry to report, does the Dalai Lama. Wiggling and giggling. These can be part of an overall distraction technique. Another strategy is to tell long complicated stories that go on and on and tire and confuse you, or make you feel high in a way you
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In set ups of this type, a story isnt just a story. Our member The Anticult understands methods of nlp and has written many essays describing how stories can be structured to have trance inducing effects. Use of story telling and a techique called "nested loops" The "Swish Pattern" The "Yes Set" and head nodding (first few citations)
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In fairness, I want to state that everyone is different. Some quite honorable and innocent literature may affect people. I was in a class studying a classic text of Mahayana Buddhism, The Diamond Sutra. It put me to sleep each and every time. I'd conk right out at the table while taking notes. A friend told me that if she had insomnia she found that reading mathamatical texts did t
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hen running searches select "all dates" this message board is almost 10 years old (!) The Anticult's analyses of trance inducing stories using the nested loop technique. The Anticult has superb essays scattered throughout the message board. Plug in The Anticult and all dates in an author search and you'll get a continuing education right there. Walter1963 observed th
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Go do a search, select "all dates" and put in key words like nested loops Ericksonian also, do "all dates" and put in The Anticult and also Walter1963 in the author slot. The Anticult tells us the exact methods (put in washing machine and all dates and you get Anticult's analysis of a story about a washing machine as used by a skilled operator) Walter1963 g
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For readers who are interested in the Werner Erhard 'tech' utilized by Muktananda and his successors in SY, you can read here exactly how it was done. Guy was heavily involved and had it on his conscience what he had done to people. gc4062 was one of our correspondants Manipulating the room set up..a key ingredient of how these large group formats operate. L
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I was knocked for a loop by a non Buddhist who used covert NLP. The guy had his audience all thrilled and excited at Lecture #1. Years later I went to lecture #2 and this same guy had most in the audience nodding off. I went in there suspecting he was using trance induction and had in the meantime, read what The Anticult had written about methods of conversational trance induction. Despite
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Another Danger of the Meditation Setting--Covert Use of LGAT 'tech' This can apply to 'satsangs'. There are all sorts of satsang teachers popping up like mushrooms after a rainstorm. You can look at the bulletin board at the local health food store and see when the new ones arrive on the scene and post adverts. Some may be fine. But others may be using skills that have
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Reading Beelzebub's Tales would also be a good way to induce confusion--which in turn would induce or maintain an already existing trance state. Gurdjieff reportedly practiced early forms of medical hypnosis while still in Russia, treating people for alcoholism and experimenting on them. Gurdjieff told stories about himself and about others. Many stories about himself were resis
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups

QuoteThe most worrying aspect of this is that the rituals are symbolic - beneath rational thought - and very dramatic and emotive - in the past they had to be very powerful to maintain the culture and rules, particularly where there was no literacy. What may be going on is use of trance induction. To learn more look up posts by Walter1963 and The Anticult who have described various tech
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My hunch and it is personal opinion, is that Gurdjieff was a highly gifted hypnotist, had learned ways to induce trance through covert means, and his expertise was far in advance of those practicing medical hypnosis at that time. He probably learned that inducing confusion by every possible means and by making himself and his own story a massive tangle of contradictions was a way to induce tra
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Anticult discussed nested look method here. It is my citizens opinion that-- The best thing to do is learn about nested loop story telling trance induction only to protect your agency from undue influence. Know this technique is out there, being used against us, but dont use it yourself. First, it is dehumanizing to treat any person as an object and you will slowly, without realizing it
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It's interesting that the author describes the Tolle 'satsang' as well as that of Gangaji and Byron Katie as a show. Tolle may not have the overt skills of showmanship that Byron Katie displays but I noticed a well known raconteurs trick (often taught to public speakers) of meandering off on tangents but returning several times to a basic point: 'Just kidding, of course he
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With regard to the licensing questions, if you have the time to post, you have the time to find out the location and hours of your local legal clinic and ask about how the law applies in your state to whatever situation concerns you. For a start on researching patterned language, make the time and see this. Both of these give citations already available. Now, interested readers must then
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