This site is fascinating - thanks for all the LEC stuff. It has helped me assess my own LM experiences, but questions still remain. Having recently done the LE Forum and Advanced courses (FOOL!!), I came away after both with cold/flu like symptoms. The advanced course was 5 weeks ago and I am still coughing sporadically. On analysis, I place the blame of these illnesses on the sealed-environme
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The thing is, DPA, neither the doctor nor (most of) the people at LEC used in-your-face tactics. The leader did do that with a few people who "shared", and these were obviously not the plants but the ones who got up and shared after the plants performed. It was more covert, sort of like the smiling nurse who injects patients with too much digoxin then claims she was only trying to hel
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Hope wrote: a doctor who was heavily involved with LEC, using their "technology" as a therapeutic means to improve a physiologic problem, did indeed condition me to behave differently, to loosen healthy boundaries, and nearly killed me in the process (he missed the real diagnosis due to his agenda). He was basically taking courses and trying them out on me, just didn't feel the
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Without referencing everything there is much that I agree with on your post. I guess I never felt that much pressure with their attempt to "process" me but then again when I was there I was a big, strapping young guy and never felt threatened. I did notice that some of the staff members and assistance seemed to pull their shit with people easily c
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Okay - on the brainwashing, I guess we should have a definition. There are two, the first one I think is what is believed to be the true definition of the word: 1. To impose a set of usually political or religious beliefs on somebody by the use of various coercive methods of indoctrination, including destruction of the victim's prior beliefs. 2. Condition somebody to behave differen
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Sorry to hear your experience of Landmark was so negative. I'm getting that you do not believe they brainwashed you. At least you don't sound brainwashed to me. And I agree with your assertion about originality. "What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done. There is nothing new under the sun" (Ecclesiastes 1:9) Of course it would be hard
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This might be a duplicate - if so, so sorry. While I wouldn't call it brainwashing in the Patty Hearst sense of the word, they do manipulate participants emotionally and psychologically. They come dangerously close to playing psychologist, applying a catch-all "diagnosis" (racket-playing) for all participants, all the while saying they are not a substitute for psychological co
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Corboy wrote: First, people know what RR.com is about when they come here. And they come here because they've chosen to--including those who disagree. No one kidnaps you and chains you to your computer terminal, puts a gun to your head and yells, 'Log on to culteducation.com!' I agree. And I willfully chose to come here. I also chose to do TM, the Est Training and Ster
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First, people know what RR.com is about when they come here. And they come here because they've chosen to--including those who disagree. No one kidnaps you and chains you to your computer terminal, puts a gun to your head and yells, 'Log on to culteducation.com!' Nope. We have 'www.culteducation.com' on our address bars because we've chosen to come here.
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Rick Ross wrote: Complaints about Landmark and Sterling devotees pressuring friends and family to enroll are legion. But people like dpa10 deny it anyway... If you read my posts you see that this is the problem I have with both groups. Or for any Evangelical, "I know something you don't" group. I find it insulting. So we agree. Hope wrote: What's interesting
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What's interesting is how DPA brought up a minor error on Corboy's post, yet did not reply to my post on the lack of integrity between the schedule info on LEC's web page and the actual schedule in the Forum. Participants were really pissed off, but by the time we realized we would not be leaving anywhere near midnight, we knew it was futile to protest.
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dpa10 posts the same things again and again, defending Landmark and now Sterling too. For those that don't know about Sterling-- See Sterling is another large group awareness training (LGAT) program like Landmark. It too generates complaints and bad press due to its structure and inherent problems. See Defenders of LGATs that post here offer the same comments over and over a
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I'ts been fun. There are so many things that one can criticize about Landmark, Sterling etc. (These are things I know about) that the question remains: why make stuff up? Like the effort to get people to enroll their mother, brother, mailman, hairderesser..... But I will also tell you this, the people in Landmark and Sterling truely believe what they're doing is good. Just like
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Rick Ross wrote: Posted: 05-13-2004 10:40 PM Post subject: Flaming against the rules -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dpa10, read the rules you signed off on. Many of your posts are just rants, "flames." They don't make points and are repetitive. Kind of like your whole website. Repetitive rants and un
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The subject line essentially says it all. If the point I made was so minor and the syllabus was a joke then posting it would be to your benefit. But your own propaganda is so weak that your chat room can't stand for open and honest disagreement. It is simply your form of "mind control" and "brainwashing. You're a fraud. I see your a litlle sensitive to others att
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dpa10, read the rules you signed off on. Many of your posts are just rants, "flames." They don't make points and are repetitive. We know you are here to defend EST/Landmark, but at least come up with something original with substance. The minor correction you made regarding a misstatment by corboy was pretty petty and the syllabus was a joke. The links previously po
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I posted several replies. Why don't you post them and let others be the judge of whether they are without substance. You have responded to my post but do not show others what I said. I simply saw blatant lies. Showed Corboy the link to the correct info. He aknowledge he was incorrect. And then he used the same misinformation to make a point 2 days later. So here, the truth is irrelev
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dpa10 you just flame without substance. The thread you mention is back up. This forum was moved into a new format and there were a few glitches. I guess when you run out of gas its time for personal attacks. But personal attacks won't change the facts about Landmark. They have a history of litigation, complaints, bad press etc. etc. What you don't like is the informati
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I can see that posts that expose the lies of the moderators are suppressed. And even after Corboy admitted his error he continued lying about a day later! Good move to remove the thread to cover up the lie. Who's the one brainwashing people here? and of course I see that Rick Ross has an extensive criminal record. Felonies I believe. And lawsuits. No integtrity here. Liars. Charla
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Thanks again to Concerned OZ for finding this! Invisible Bodies, the Disinherited, and the Production of Space in the Landmark Forum by Drew Kopp Kopp's 40 page paper is the mental equivalent of a triathlon--gruelling, but well worth it. At the end, he comments: 'I would contend that this is a fundamental inauthenticity of Landmark Education, to use its own term to describe
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Dont go nuts trying to analyse the semantics. It is like trying to calculate the number of digits in PI--you'll go on forever and never reach an end to it. If you consider Kopp's descriptions of the uncomfortable room arrangements, -you'll be able to spot similar layouts elsewhere and stay out of the room. THis is just my guess but from what Kopp has written and former part
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The Room Arrangement Deserves Our Close Attention All of these are guesses, but are educated guesses based on material from persons who participated in Landmark. Concerned OZ and kittypaw have found the URL for a paper written by Drew Kopp a former LEC volunteer who had set up rooms for many such events and who wrote a scholarly analysis of the special features of the LEC seminar room set
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It is called 'gaslighting' The term comes from the old days when rooms were lit using gaslight flames. I cannot remember the name of the movie or the exact details, but the scenario went like this: This husband decides to drive his wife crazy. He does so by covertly manipulating the physical environment. He turns down the gaslights, pretends he has not. Or at other times, he t
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HI GC, The attached file, (hope it worked this time), is an indepth writeup of the Landmark room setup. Of interest to me was the extent Centre Management went to to make a door open and close silently to aviod distraction by the leader, supervisor and attendees. All door hinges were machine olied and striker plates and lock tongues were fastened with masking tape to deaden noise. - wow we..
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and a happy medium depending on the weather too, I suppose. My forum was done in a LEC building, not a hotel ballroom, so I'm sure they were able to set it us the way they wanted.
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FWIW, it's not a simple matter to manipulate temperature and humidity independently, unless the HVAC system is designed from the start to do this. 99.9% of the time you can only manipulate temperature. Air conditioning removes moisture from the air by passing it over very cold coils. So the only choices are really cold and dry or warm and wet.
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I didn't experience those things (excessively dry air, therefore excessive thirst). At my Forum, we were allowed to bring water to our seats. Some people timidly asked if the AC could be turned down and their requests were met with some nonsense about how the people who run the forum know what works for most people, how they cannot adjust the thermostat to meet everyone's needs, bl
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I first wondered about room set up when I attended a lecture given by an obscure group. This was a traditionalist Catholic group, so the lecture began with recitation of the rosary. All that chanting, combined with the dry atmosphere in the room was guaranteed to leave us feeling parched with thirst. The organizers had a tray with glasses of ice water available at break, and I guzzled that
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Hi there In my forum it seem to fluctuate about 4 or 5 times during each day between warm and cold. I noticed that with the evening sessions it became cooler, I normally do not feel the cold but on those ocassions I did. So does this mean that using a cooler tempearture is one way of perking or waking participants up after being the room for over 8 hours. Psychologically I'm not sur
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There were so many stories related to how the environment of the room in where you did your course is manipulated and controlled, let's have a discussion here where we can collect all of the experiences.
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