QuoteThe Shadowok, everyone, time for a little comic release...so go to your bathroom, look in the mirrow, put a smile on your face :) --- take a deep breath, and go HAH HAH HAH HAH, ... :lol: :lol: :lol: -- no if that does not make you burst out laughing, at the very least you will emit a little chuckle.... okay? regards, 'shad' :D Uh oh...sounds like an IFLP mirror exerci
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ok, everyone, time for a little comic release...so go to your bathroom, look in the mirrow, put a smile on your face :) --- take a deep breath, and go HAH HAH HAH HAH, ... :lol: :lol: :lol: -- no if that does not make you burst out laughing, at the very least you will emit a little chuckle.... okay? regards, 'shad' :D
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Hi Vic-Luc, I remember the first "graduation" / (sales-pitch) session I went to was on the hottest day in the summer; the Lobby of the hotel was air-conditioned and for the first 15 minutes of the meeting the meeting room was fine, but then it started to heat up. When I left the meeting room to get myself a cup of coffee, everywhere else in the hotel was fine, and as soon as
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I do remember my ex calling from the Forum stating "this place is freezing," at one point, do to the extreme temperatures. She was sleep deprived at every LE course she attended or "assisted."
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Quotecorboy If an event is so desirous of getting folks to disrobe, tell 'em ahead of time, before they arrive and have paid to attend. Informed decision is a beautiful thing. hi corboy, the whole point is about power and control; and the LGATs know, and we know, that most people would not attend the course if they knew that they would be MANIPULATED into dis-robing. Yep, it is t
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What you choose to wear is your own business. And if your decision to stay clothed was 'noticed'---could you tell us about what this 'noticed' consisted of? The honest thing would've been to state up front that it would be (or become!) a clothing optional event. That way someone could make an informed decision ahead of time whether its something for them. (Plenty
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With HAI, we were not sleep deprived, really. Well, I was, but only because I have such difficulty sleeping anywhere but home. We DID go to bed somewhat later than I do at home, but that was expected. The environmental issue that *I* noticed was the temperature. Even in November, it was VERY VERY warm in the room. I believe they did that deliberately, so as to increase the subtle press
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Shad, I'll have to go look who I had in my notes. I took a lot of notes in all of the sessions after the Forum, where I couldn't take notes.
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Hi Zorro, do you mind telling me the name of the Leader who "trained" you? (or ATTEMPTED - lol) to train you? Thank god he/she did not succeed eh? regards, 'shad'
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QuoteZorroVic-Luc, Exactly! I have a career in Industrial Sales where I not only have to convince people and corporations to buy my products and services I have to provide help to the customer whenever I'm called on. I'm disgusted at the thought that I was even associated with Landmark. I feel that it has actually jepordized my career and I'm currently doing damage control be
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Vic-Luc, Exactly! I have a career in Industrial Sales where I not only have to convince people and corporations to buy my products and services I have to provide help to the customer whenever I'm called on. I'm disgusted at the thought that I was even associated with Landmark. I feel that it has actually jepordized my career and I'm currently doing damage control because of i
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QuoteZorroShad, Landmark really wanted me to be a leader and some even told me that they could see me leading a Forum (which gave me chills even then). I wasn't afraid to take on leadership resposibilities and have the outward characteristics and personality that would make a good leader for the Forum or a Seminar. My ex told me she thought I would make a great Forum leader a few months a
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Shad, I believe that often times the staff and leaders may be victims themselves. From what I saw everyone at some point started out as a guest of someone to either the Landmark Forum or EST. Then they latched on to Landmark/EST ideology and decided to dedicate themselves to transforming peoples lives, through various degrees / levels of participation such as leading a introduction, being a co
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hi Zorro, You are probably right; part of the insistence of having everything uniform all the time IS probably a way the Leaders keep CONTROL of the volunteers. But I also wonder how much is also part of a pathology in the psychy of the Leaders. Perhaps they have become unwitting victims of their own "technology" -- a case of the blind leading the blind, eh? 'shad&#
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I read Dr. Roxanne Mountford's essay on Landmark; "Invisible Bodies, the Disinherited, and the Production of Space in the Landmark Forum, which is quite long, but deals how managing the space of the room is actually very integral to part of the "indoctrination"... it is very purposeful, and in fact the "volunteers" have to use tape measures and
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When I helped to set the rooms for an ILP weekend they were totally anal about the chairs being aligned correctly and having the right number of chairs. We worked late into the night moving and arranging chairs. It bordered on the ridiculus. Especially because the people incharge couldn't even make up their mind on how it should be set up. They couldn't think for themselves. I kept aski
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I think anyone and everyone could be at risk. The sleep deprivation combined with the primal/hypno therapy may send even the most stable person over the edge. Perhaps people with a pre-disposition towards schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder or any other mental disorder will be affected more quickly or more adversely, but I don't think one can say that they are the only people who can be dista
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We do not have enough information to say that the LEC facilitators LF described as sleeping on mattresses are 'on the brink' of mania. To say that would require a personal exam by a professional, and I am not qualified. But...anyone running that short on sleep is according to that young physicians study, impaired, as if DUI. Its probably unlikely that someone with bipolar woul
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People need to be educated as to the vital importance of protecting sleep and that one must be able to refuse and if necessary LEAVE any program or relationship that keeps you past bedtime, puts you under stress, especially if you have a genetic background for bipolar affective disorder, or even attention deficit disorder Lots of URLs here. A further discussion with additional URLs
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Horse, Thank you for visiting the board. I rise to your suggestion of a disussion of points raised by the celebrated Margaret Thaler Singer. (please note that my quote sections are quotes from the reference linked to below.) Lets work from Mental Health Issues Thought Reform Programs and the Production of Psychiatric Casualties Psychiatric Annals 20:4/April 1990 By Margaret Tha
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I'd just like to add that all the rules they impose on attendees are just another form of control. If one wants to lead a disciplined life, then that dicipline has to be imposed from within. Forcing it on someone from the outside only generates resistance and bitterness within. Of course they'll be telling you to suppress all that too. Serenity now, insanity later.
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Kickinthehead - If you are thinking of doing the first day just to satisfy your friends that at least you tried it, you WILL NOT be able to resist the manipulation that will be applied to you to stay once you are in the room. Please check the thread - Manipulating the rooms environment. Also, if you get a lift there, (which is a landmark tactic), you are at the mercy of the other person to get yo
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OK. I think we have exhausted this. This subject matter really has very little, if anything to do with the subjects discussed here.
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I have several Cd's with saved data on this subject. But the site lists the links with solid information. I try not to use questionable sources. Links come and go on the Internet so that much of my saved information is no longer available to new readers. I have had communication from a degree candidate in Australia. She used my site to supply ideas for her thesis on Subliminal Distractio
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IMHO, Researcher's web site makes some interesting points. There are some references on his web site to early research in office design. No disregard for Rick's expertise here. I agree, more references on Researchers website would be invaluable. Still, given the topic of this thread, the basic points on his site are intriguing. I think the basic point, and relevance here, i
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Elena: Thanks for posting that link. It does show the shaky foundation "researcher" rests upon. Frankly, he or she has failed to substantiate any of the claims made with hard objective, peer-reviewed and published research, despite the handle used. And frankly the posts by researcher seem off topic and rather forced. That is, the connection between Landmark and the suppos
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QuoteelenaI didn't mean to imply what "researcher" posted was similar or related to EMDR, just that there might be a connection. Ellen Ellen, Understood, no problem. --- Researcher I use EST to make the connection between Large Group Seminars and the phenomenon designers and engineers discovered. It doesn't make any difference what the subject of a seminar is. An
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I didn't mean to imply what "researcher" posted was similar or related to EMDR, just that there might be a connection. Ellen
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Researcher: Has this research been conducted by scientific means and by what professionals specifically? What studies can you cite that were sponsored by what institution? And were the results then peer-reviewed and subsequently published? If so, please cite the title of the subsequently published research/study, the publisher and its publication date. This information did not appe
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I have only skimmed this in the past. But now that you mention it the reason it appears to work may be hypnosis. I'm not prepared to discuss it. I just have not worked on it. But remember that almost no one is aware of the conflict of physiology nor is anyone screening for it. When studies group subjects in to controls and active participants they do not know if anyone of either g
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