If someone has time to check the SGI-UK documents, and find and post the figures for the total amount spent by SGI-UK per year, and what they spend it on?

Also, to post their total UK revenues for the year, and compare them.

In other areas, SGI's main expense was a few Executive salaries, investing, and real estate purchases, architects, lobbying the government, that is, money for politicians.

They can fudge the numbers, but it sounds like the laws for reporting are different in the UK than in the US. As in the US, if you are a "religion" then you don't have to report anything to the public. You can conceal everything, like SGI does.

Which is why SGI-USA does not deserve 1 dollar in donations, as SGI chooses to conceal their expenses, and not publish the gov't statements openly.

The only info found about SGI-USA was from the Soka U investment corporation.


SGI, The richest cult in the world, over $1 BILLION in the USA
[forum.culteducation.com]



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A page that list some of the details about SGI-UK.

Yes, SGI-UK is a mickey-mouse peanuts organization.
If you consider $77 million US in assets peanuts.

So there is another close to 100 million in SGI-cash stashed in the UK, and they only registered this one in 2004.
How was SGI operating before 2004 in the UK?
Are there other SGI organizations in the UK with alternate names listed somewhere?


You can see that SGI-UK strategically spends about $1.5 million more a year than they SAY they take in to that particular "charity". (unless others are listed with different names, etc)

So what are the specific costs? Where exactly are they spending that money?
How much is going for salaries?
Where exactly is that money being spent?


SOKA GAKKAI INTERNATIONAL - UK
(05114516)

[opencharities.org]

[opencorporates.com]

Charity Number
1104491
Date Registered
2004-06-22
Company Number
5114516
Contact Name
MR ROBERT ANTHONY SAMUELS
Telephone
###############
Address
TAPLOW COURT, CLIVEDEN ROAD, TAPLOW, MAIDENHEAD, SL6 0EP
Website
[sgi-uk.org]
Email
robert.samuels@sgi-uk##
Trustees
MR ROBERT ANTHONY SAMUELS, MISS FIONA JANE HARROW, MR KAZUO FUJII, MS SUE THORNTON, MR TONY BUTLER, MR ROBERT PHILIP HARRAP, MRS SACHIYO WILSON, MS STEPHANIE BALL, MR RICKY BAYNES

Charity Commission Classifications
General Charitable Purposes, Education/Training, Religious activities, Arts/culture, Environment/Conservation/Heritage, General public/Mankind, Provides human resources, Provides buildings/facilities/open space, Provides services, Provides advocacy/advice/information
Icnpo Classifications
Religious congregations and association



Full accounts for SOKA GAKKAI INTERNATIONAL - UK
Annual Returns to Charity Commission
Financial year ending
2007-12-31 2008-12-31 2009-12-31
Income from legacies £0 £0 £0
Income from endowments £0 £0 £0
Voluntary income £2.48m £1.40m £1.68m
Activities generating funds £277,000 £6,014 £7,814
Income from charitable activities £0 £1.18m £1.20m
Investment income £1.43m £1.41m £761,685
Other income £0 £0 £0
Total income £4.19m £3.99m £3.65m
Investment gains £0 £0 £0
Gains from asset revaluations £0 £0 £584,050
Gains on pension fund £0 £0 £0
Voluntary income costs £0 £0 £4,526
Fundraising trading costs £279,000 £3,161 £0
Investment management costs £0 £0 £0
Grants to institutions £0 £0 £0
Charitable activities costs £550,000 £5.14m £3.65m
Governance costs £1.64m £24,826 £22,885
Other expenses £0 £0 £0
Total expenses £2.46m £5.17m £3.68m
Support costs £0 £4.14m £2.74m
Depreciation £136,000 £1.98m £583,088
Reserves £600,000 £0 £525,235
Fixed assets at start of year £22.69m £23.45m £22.36m
Fixed assets at end of year £23.45m £22.36m £21.78m
Fixed investment assets at start of year £0 £0 £0
Fixed investment assets at end of year £0 £0 £0
Current investment assets £0 £0 £0
Cash £25.82m £25.62m £25.19m
Total current assets £27.20m £26.35m £26.13m
Creditors within 1 year £1.83m £1.08m £310,857
Long term creditors or provisions £1,000 £0 £0
Pension assets £0 £0 £0
Total assets £48.81m £47.63m £47.59m
Endowment funds £24.53m £25.70m £25.29m
Restricted funds £23.00m £0 £0
Unrestricted funds £1.29m £21.93m £22.31m
Total funds £48.81m £47.63m £47.59m
Employees 44 40 40
Volunteers 0 400
Consolidated accounts No No No
Charity only accounts No Yes Yes

ah yes, the old SGI financial tricks again.

[www.charitycommission.gov.uk]

the 2010 filing, shows that SGI-UK, has about $35 million invested, and about $40 million in the bank!
CASH AT BANK AND IN HAND 25 million pounds = $40 million.

So old SGI-UK is sitting on 40 million cash, and 35 million investments.

ok, so lets see where they spend their money.

Advancement of religion 3,653,971
TOTAL RESOURCES EXPENDED 3,681,382

You see what SGI-UK has done?
They have LUMPED all 3.6 million expenses (about $6 million) INTO ONE LINE.
THIS IS SO SGI-UK CAN CONCEAL WHERE THEY ACTUALLY SPEND THEIR MONEY.

They throw out that they gave UNICEF a few grand.
They also moved the Ikeda-Gandhi-King exhibit around.

But you see how SGI-UK has figured out how to play the UK system?
Sure, they report what they spend.
But they hide everything in ONE single expense, "advancement of religion".
That is done to conceal their expenses, and hide it behind "religion".
That includes salaries, one assumes hotels, cars, or who knows? Does it include a hot-tub for Ikeda in the UK?
How much is going to lobby local politicians in the UK? SGI spends millions in the US on this.

What an utter crock.
SGI is a very very dirty organization.
They conceal everything, and then try to hide it behind an SGI fog of vague text about religion and charity, while not giving ANY evidence or proof of anything.
The best SGI can come up with is a few grand for UNICEF, so that must be the only thing they did.

So yes, SGI-UK files their papers as required, but they flaunt the intent with contempt, by concealing all specific expenses.


So SGI-UK does NOT DESERVE $1 dollar or 1 pound in donation or unpaid labor. Not one shilling.
No one knows where they are spending your money.

And they have 40 million in cash on hand, at least that is what is reported.
and another 35 million in some type of investments.

SGI-UK do not deserve one cent in donation or support. Not one red penny.
SGI never fails to disappoint, truly a revolting organization.



-----------------in UK pounds---------------

FIXED ASSETS
Tangible assets 21,778,954

CURRENT ASSETS
Stocks 255,783
Debtors 681,134

Cash at bank and in hand 25,189,266


TRUSTEES' ANNUAL REPORT
for the year ended 31 December 2010
In addition to "free reserves", at the balance sheet date, the trustees were holding £21,334,499 (2009:
£21,778,954) of unrestricted funds in a designated fund known as the Designated Fixed Assets Fund
representing the resources required to finance the net book value of functional fixed assets, and also
£25,395,445 (2009: £25,289,091) of restricted funds in an expendable endowment fund known as the
Commemorativ-- Expendable Endowment Fund.
Investments Policy

For the year ended 31 December 2010, the charity's cash deposits generated investment income of £627,001
(2009: £759,22 5) which represents an average income return of 2.5% (2009: 3.0%).



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2011 09:25AM by The Anticult.

Also, you can see that last few years SGI-UK has spent as much as they made in the UK. (deliberately of course).
The income from interest and investments, is money being made in the UK, at the cost to the taxpayers of the UK, as these "charities" don't pay tax.

So its standard psychological propaganda from SGI that SGI-UK is on welfare from the loyal Japanese SGI members.
Its just meant as a guilt-trip to make the SGI-UK folks give SGI more money, so SGI can put your cash into the bank with their other $40 million.
Or who knows where its going.

SGI has the same modus operandi wherever they operate.
Imagine what is happening in some of the 3rd world-type countries where SGI operates and is growing, where there is even less regulation, and where politicians are accustomed to brown-envelopes filled with cash.

And in the SGI-UK papers, they say that their goal is to bootstrap SGI-UK and build up more centers, once membership hits a certain level in each area.
Exactly as stated.

Ikeda dumps some seed-money into a new market, in cash and investments, controlled by the SGI-Japan of course.
Then they force the locals to come up with as much cash as possible, which is used to fund local SGI growth.
Excess cash goes back into the SGI billions.
Keep each local SGI group at starvation levels, where no one gets paid, even when there is hundreds of millions and billions and billions of dollars in cash in the bank, and Ikeda and his family live like kings in their palaces.

The question then becomes, how do other cash assets get moved around from country to country?
There is a lot of information in this thread about that too.
[forum.culteducation.com]


SGi global is a nightmare.
And once Ikeda dies, and hands it over to Ikeda II, it will stay the same or get worse.
SGI is just a giant private family investment corporation, using 'religion' as a fig-leaf to avoid taxation and regulation.

SGI does not deserve one dollar from anyone for any reason.
SGI does not deserve any unpaid labor.
SGI is simply about building up billions and billions for the owner of SGI, Ikeda and his family.

I moved a bit too fast on the SGI-UK reports, there is more detail at the bottom of the report.
Part of the problem is that most people don't have the time to read all the reports.

Worse, in the USA, groups like SGI can hide behind their "religion" and choose to not release their 990 tax form, so you don't know where they spend their money.
Of course, respectable groups choose to release the detailed 990 Form, so people can see what is going on with the money they donate.
At the bottom of the SGI-UK 2010 document, there is a more precise detailing of their 'charity expenses' for the 'advancement of religion'.

So the UK has much more stringent requirements that the USA in this regard, and that is good for the UK. No wonder these "new religions" have a bit of a tougher time in the UK.

So we'll take a close look at those expenses, and see how this SGI-UK "charity" is operating.



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So SGI-UK gets most of their money from donations, and SGI courses, books and selling SGI stuff.
As well as a chunk from bank interest.

----------2010 report-------------
General donations and other similar types of voluntary income £ 1,774,078
Income from events & courses, shops, etc. £ 1,285,808
Bank interest receivable on short term cash deposits £ 761,685
----------------------

ok lets see all the people SGI is helping with this charity money.



COSTS OF THE ADVANCEMENT OF RELIGION £ 924,844
(Costs of events & courses: regional, divisional, national and group costs, Publications costs, Shops costs)

So that's 1 million gone for running the SGI-UK courses and shops.

Support costs (see note 7) £ 2,638,754
Staff costs (see note 8) £ 1,134,353

- See the 2010 report, to see that about another 1 million is gone for Depreciation costs, and repairs!

So 3.5 million total expenses, about 1 million to market SGI-UK, 1 million for "depreciation", 1 million for staff with a nice chunk going to the Execs.

So there is nothing in this report of doing ANY charitable work at all, except for a few grand to UNICEF.
So all the money that goes into SGI-UK goes for building costs, repairs, depreciation, and staff.

Many groups have a ratio that says 90% of all donations go to support people.
For SGI-UK, it looks like about 99% of all donations are spent on SGI overhead.
Meanwhile, SGI-UK is listing what seems to be 25 million in "freehold properties" which includes the "ornaments and art" at Taplow Court. That sounds like the luxury items for the big boss.




Operating lease rentals:
Land and buildings
Plant and machinery
Insurance \
Compiter costs
Traveu. expenses
Communications costs
Repairs, maintenance and security costs 316,464
Waste disposal and cleaning costs
Rates and utilities costs
Auditor's remuneration:
Audit fees -
Accountancy and advisory
Legal and professional fees
Bank interest, bank charges and other
finance costs
Depreciation:
Owned assets 538,276
Leased assets
Loss on disposal of tangible fixed assets
Other indirect costs

Check out this beauty from Ikeda Inc.
The $40 million dollars from SGI-Japan is still controlled by SGI-Japan.
As SGI-UK can only access the funds after "consultation" with Ikeda's people. That is both interest and principal.
Very clever!
So the $40 million invested, both principal and interest is controlled by SGI-Japan, of course.
And only after SGI-Japan's approval, is any money transferred to the SGI-UK general fund, the other $35 million dollar fund.

So SGI-Japan just uses SGI-UK to diversify their global investment portfolio.
There was no real donation, in the way people think about it. SGI controls the entire fund, and can freeze/revoke it any time they choose.

Its like getting a gift of $100,000 from your rich uncle...but he's keeping the gift in his own investment account, and you can spend that money anytime he agrees to transfer some of it into your bank account.
So that is very clever.
Give someone a financial gift, and announce it to the media, but keep it in your own investment account, and collect the interest, and keep total control of it.
And give them a little money now and then, to buy rich uncle a nice chair to sit in, in case he visits.
Its the Ikeda choke-chain method of endowment funding.


Quote from 2010 form:
Commemorative Expendable Endowment Fund 25,289,091

"The Commemorative Expendable Endowment Fund was set up in 2006 upon receipt of an initial
donation from Soka Gakkai International Center in Japan to mark the 75th anniversary of the foundation of Soka Gakkai. The investment income generated, as well as the principal amount of the endowment, is available to be spent at any time by the trustees in promoting the charitable purposes of Soka Gakkai International - UK after consultation with the representatives of the donor. Funds are transferred into the General Fund once agreement has been reached to do so."

So its time to make an announcement to the media.

There is a 100 million dollar Cult Research Endowment Fund, which is being made available to the posters of this thread on this forum.
The interest and principal from this incredible Endowment, can be spent at ANY TIME anyone in the thread wants to for the purposes of charity.*


















* Funds will be transferred to the account once agreement has been reached to do so. Until then, the fund will be held in trust in 463 random numbered accounts in the Cayman Islands.



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MY GOD!!! I haven't read all of this ,but will later. Anticult were did you get this and were you a member or some CIA ,FBI investigator? Why don't these stupid members reaerch or check this out,everyone believes this place is broke and working off donations,while this fat Ikeda clown decieves everyone. This is disgusting lietrally disgusting!

Yes the stupid brain washed members work in offices etc too and get salaries at SGI USA. I thought you meant the division and district leaders got paid. I'm so Grossed out by this place now and see it only as a big corporation. I'll be rolling up my gohonzon soon and sending it back. These people (members) would die if they knew how terribly they were betrayed.

I'll probably continue my meditation and other ways in life. I'll NEVER join any thing else again! Religions are ALL control and manipulation!

Thanks for giving me some insight you guys! I'll be back but got the over all jist of what I needed to know. I also want to read more in depth what Anticult copied.

Stay out of cults people!

Well, technically SGI-UK is operating at break-even.

As the 77 million in cash seems to be totally controlled by SGI-Japan, aka "Dr". Ikeda.

SGI is always "broke" even when they have 77 million in cash.
You see, you keep the 77 million over 'here' and just make interest with it.
And all the donation money gets spent getting more SGI donations.
So they have engineered SGI to appear to be broke.

But its loaded with cash cash cash, art, assets, investments, real estate, fancy houses for Ikeda, etc.

but really, the SGI-USA makes the UK look like chump change.
The reason for that is the USA regulations are far far less. In the USA, you call yourself a Religion, and get approved, and you don't have to tell the public anything.

At least in the UK they force them to publish that information, so SGI-UK has to watch what they do, as its published on the web.

But SGI-USA, there is nothing. Just vague talk, no audited numbers.
Its all hidden and concealed, and far bigger than the UK.
How much bigger?
No one knows.

How many tens of billions...or more?? Does SGI-USA and its connected front-groups control?
You cannot access that information, unless you see the IRS forms, or the 990 Forms in the US, and SGI-USA will not publish those.

Maybe someone in SGI-USA will access the SGI-USA books, and leak a document? [forum.culteducation.com]


Some info about Soka U and its 900 million bucks has to be made public, as shown here. [forum.culteducation.com]


You see how SGI-USA totally conceals all their details from the public.

[non-profit-organizations.findthebest.com]
Question: What is the asset range in the nonprofit Soka Gakkai International-usa of Santa Monica, California?
Answer: The nonprofit Soka Gakkai International-usa has an asset range of $0.


Of course, that is completely false, as all of the land, property, and everything else SGI-USA controls and owns. What are their assets?
10 billion? 50 billion?
Who knows, only the SGI bigshots know. Maybe someone will leak that information anonymously on the internet.



Soka Gakkai International-Cnmi Inc. Saipan MP USA
Soka Gakkai International-Usa Santa Monica CA USA


Soka Gakkai International-cnmi Inc Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands
EIN (Tax ID) 660651154
Organization Name Soka Gakkai International-cnmi Inc
Address Po Box 505066
Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands 96950-4313
Secondary Name SGI-NMI



Soka Gakkai International-usa Santa Monica, California
EIN (Tax ID) 952265667
Organization Name Soka Gakkai International-usa
Address 606 Wilshire Blvd
Santa Monica, California 90401-1502



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