floatingfreebear:
You are clearly not being direct or honest about Mankind Project.
Since you say you are an "elder" in MKP, so you know that the MKP seminar bootcamps are run with military precision.
(and the term Elder, is another native american term being ripped off).
For a "man's man" warrior, why are asking for a gentle debate? WTF?
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Is MKP gentle with peoples minds? Of course not.
That is bait & switch.
Sadly, the technique of MKP works. They seem to somewhat target the "SNAG".(Sensitive New Age Guy).
Then they kick his ass and hammer on the guy's mind with intense LGAT seminar boot camps.
There is no gentle and soft debate when dealing with these techniques, that is a trap.
And the James Ray bogus use of the sweatlodge, and the MKP bogus use of the fake sweatlodge are LINKED. James Ray probably attended MKP, or a variant, and thought..."hey I like this sweatbox torture test faux Shaman Warrior scam".
James Ray probably got the idea for using plastic and non-breathable materials from MKP.
MKP just wants to try to distance themselves from the New Age exploitation of native american ceremonies.
But what MKP is doing is a SERIOUS form of "blasphemy", if you will.
It would be like anyone from the street putting on the robes of a priest, and handing out communion in exchange for money.
Or anyone from the street putting on the sacred traditions of any sacred ceremony, and then play-acting it, and charging money. Its outrageous.
The MKP faux sweatlodge is at minimum "blasphemy", and its a serious insult to those who cherish the tradition as part of their culture. Hopefully MKP will be forced to stop it by public pressure.
Do the native american organizations even know that MKP also runs these faux sweatboxes for profit? Someone could let them know what is going on, even with some blog comments so they can be notified of what MKP has been doing for years.
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James Arthur Ray / Mankind Project - Deaths from Sweatlodges
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An ex-MKP Warrior reports:
Make no mistake, the type of sweat lodge used in Arizona, air tight and lightless, is very much like the sweat lodges run by MKP.
I have been to MKP sweat lodges with 40 men in them, a number that is close to the 50 number of people in the lodge in Arizona, and I have been in sweats that have lasted well over an hour. The MKP time line leaves almost two hours for the sweat.
At my NWTA, I left the sweat lodge because I couldn't breathe. A couple of other guys left also. There was no oxygen tank around, nor a first aid kit, as MKP claims. Yes, there most likely was a man who knew how to do CPR on the weekend but was he even by the sweat lodge? He could have been a mile away back at the camp.
Once I got out of the sweat lodge, I could finally breathe. I told the leaders that I couldn't breathe in there and they said to me, "haven't you ever been to a steam room at a gym?" Well, the air tight and lightless MKP sweat lodge is hardly a steam bath!
I was wet, naked and shivering cold. I asked to go to the fire and warm myself and I was told "NO!" by the leaders. They said I had to stand next to the sweat lodge and put my hands on the outside of the plastic covering so that I could "feel the positive energy inside."
I did that for a while shivering and shaking in the cold NOVEMBER moring air which created patches of frost on the ground. I eventually went by the fire to warm myself anyway. I told them that I didn't give a &*$% about their "positive energy!"
Don't be fooled by MKP. Their sweat lodges are not exactly the "safe" and pleasant experiences that they claim them to be.
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